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msommer
Footballguy
It seems to me that among the "certainly not Trump supporting"-"Boff sidez" crowd discussing politics here, there is a tendency to not follow events particularly closely...
pollardsvision
Footballguy
Strolling through my FB feed, I can see that, at least with the hard-core Trumpers, he's done a good job of convincing them that this is all on the Dems.
Not that this is surprising, but it's pretty impressive, really. It's like a game of how much baloney one man can make 30% of the population believe (well, not just one man, he's got some help).
Not that this is surprising, but it's pretty impressive, really. It's like a game of how much baloney one man can make 30% of the population believe (well, not just one man, he's got some help).
Tom Skerritt
Footballguy
Propaganda is an amazing thing. It tends to have a strong influence on the weak minded.
#MAGA
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The Commish
Footballguy
So....what's the latest "deal" proposed by the Dems? TIA.
NutterButter
Footballguy
This is a great deal proposed by the Dems. You can't claim they're soft on border security. At this point, I wouldn't add one additional thing. This is going to look terrible for Trump if he doesn't capitulate now.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
“If Trump really wants a strong wall on the Mexican border, he should build it out of Nancy Pelosi.”
~Seth Meyers
~Seth Meyers
Tom Skerritt
Footballguy
Which could be the real reason for the shutdown. Undermine the justice system.
#MAGA
The Commish
Footballguy
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Lutherman2112
Footballguy
Not meant as a reply directly to this post...but heres a link to Pew's press release for this poll.PhantomJB said:
http://www.people-press.org/2019/01/16/most-border-wall-opponents-supporters-say-shutdown-concessions-are-unacceptable/
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
I can respect and appreciate that. Sorry if I was a bit impassioned, but this is hurting my family and my community and when you see the cause and the path forward the way I do it gets a little dicey. Hope you had a good one.psychobillies said:I don't know what to tell you.I just don't agree that it's one side and one side only that's responsible. It's not laziness either, its observational. I know what Trump said about taking responsibility and obviously that's backfired on him because now the dems don't have to negotiate. They can just sit back and play the blame game. Good for them politically I guess, but it's not helpful and not much different than what trump is doing. Pouting and holding their breath until they get their way.
My main and original point was that none of these jackwads care about the people affected by the shutdown.
I appreciate your responses. Always do, but I'm going to bow out and go get high. I feel like I'm repeating myself, and not helping anything here or even making my point come across.
Jobber
Footballguy
A WAPO article on IRS workers who are being called into work without pay. They are using a union contract provision that allows them to stay home due to hardship. This could delay tax returns for months.
IRS Workers Staying Home Claiming Hardship
IRS Workers Staying Home Claiming Hardship
Between this and the Air Traffic Controllers - they should go out on strike and force an end to the shutdown.
Yes, I know they are not allowed to strike - but what is the government going to do? Hire new employees with the promise of: "Long hours, No pay!"
If they all called in sick for a few days - shut down would end.
psychobillies
Footballguy
1) doesn't seem to matter.Ignoramus said:
2) I've already said it but it left a pretty key provision out. They had to at least suspect that maybe trump would override it, right? Because he's been saying he would publically all along.
Ridiculous. I'm not even in here defending Trump, but I say that dems are using this as a political maneuver and the insults come out. Whatever bud. Go team!msommer said:
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TobiasFunke
Footballguy
Nope. They passed it with Trump's support (not that it would have mattered, 100-0 is enough to override a presidential veto anyway). Trump changed his mind at the last second after Ann Coulter and Rush Limbaugh got in his head. Here's an article about him dropping the wall funding request and agreeing to the short-term continuing resolution (the thing that passed 100-0) and here's one about him reversing himself two days later, after it was passed.
Sheriff Bart
Footballguy
How many times do I have to say it?! PEOPLE ARE STUPID.CGRdrJoe said:
psychobillies
Footballguy
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
timschochet
Footballguy
It’s got to be killing Trump, Mr. Alpha, that he had to back down to Pelosi and he doesn’t get to give his big speech.
msommer
Footballguy
Being up the creek without a paddle is a good euphemism for where Trump has landed himself
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Because Republicans refuse to vote again on something they already passed. In case you weren't aware 100-0 overrides any veto.
sho nuff
Footballguy
sho nuff
Footballguy
This is where this will hit people...though, some wills till be convinced its because of the democrats.
People waiting for a tax return that they count on...no bueno
Jobber
Footballguy
Not to mention the usual bump in car sales, televisions, etc during tax return season. This delay will hurt a lot of businesses.
The General
Footballguy
So apologies to keep harping on this but you sound reasonable and pay moderately close attention. But we are here because of Trunp’s incompetence. It’s on him to reopen, people need to be calling for his head on this issue.
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You mean to tell me the Republicans in control of our government are incapable of empathizing with working Americans?
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You mean to tell me the Republicans in control of our government are incapable of empathizing with working Americans?
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Sammy3469
Footballguy
Jobber
Footballguy
For those who didn’t click on the link above...
Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross says he does not understand why federal employees who are furloughed or have been working without pay during the partial government shutdown would need the assistance of food banks.
“I know they are, and I don’t really quite understand why,” Ross said when asked on CNBC about workers who were getting food from places like shelters. “Because, as I mentioned before, the obligations that they would undertake, say borrowing from a bank or a credit union are in effect federally guaranteed.”
“So the 30 days of pay that some people will be out, there’s no real reason why they shouldn’t be able to get a loan against it,” Ross said, adding that there have been advertisements for financial institutions offering such bridge loans to federal employees.
Don't Noonan
Footballguy
Again, incorrect, and another example of the hate that comes almost primarily from the left. You are incorrect a lot!
I really hope the media doesn’t run with this angle too much. If he wasn’t already thinking of this as a benefit of the shutdown, they don’t need to put that idea in his head. He’s a toddler throwing a tantrum. If you keep telling a toddler that I can’t punish you if you keep kicking and sceaming, do you think he’s ever going to stop?
That really makes my blood boil. Because when you look at the loosening of restrictions this administration has done on the Pay Day loan industry - and its criminal the way someone like Ross would suggest that Federal employees go into debt to meet basic needs.
timschochet
Footballguy
So there will be two votes today in the Senate, and both will fail. After that, many pundits seem to think that a deal will be negotiated in Congress, without Trump’s input, and he will be forced to accept it. If true this would be a complete emasculation of his Presidency (although that’s already happened with the State of the Union.) Guess we’ll see.
That one guy
Footballguy
Are these loans fee and interest free? Because if not, they’ve not just lost out on normal income, they’d have to pay more money just to stay afloat.
jomar
Footballguy
what he pointed out completely blows your view on this matter out of the water. Trump supported what was passed, while you said they all knew he wouldn't sign it because he said so publicly. Passing it was all for political show, you said. turns out Trump supported the CR and it wasn't a just a political play by (at the time Republican led) Congress. and your response is OK, yet here we are? at the very minimum, a reasonable individual might reconsider his stance on this matter being 'both sides'. One man is responsible for this shutdown, and he's now getting help by another man, the leader in the Senate. this is not a both sides issue, at least not this time. the sooner we all say that, the sooner this will get solved and the 2 people responsible for this might back down. by playing the both sides card, you let Trump and McConnell off the hook and let this thing drag out longer.
psychobillies
Footballguy
Right. So based on that information, how would you revise this part of your previous post?
I was wrong about Tatum Bell and Hillary winning the election. Two times in all my life.
AAABatteries
Footballguy
If/when this happens his Twitter feed will be a must read.
I hope for the sake of the workers impacted it will be soon.
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