Exactly this. I don’t buy for a second that he slips, and think if he’s there at 6 that he’s locked in as the Giants pick. I know some Giants fans strongly disagree, so this will be fun to watch play out.
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QB Dwayne Haskins - 04.09.2022 - struck by car and killed (2 Viewers)
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The Frankman
Footballguy
The big red flag in the smokescreen is the report that the Giants have "barely" seen Haskins work out... except we have Twitter reports from verified journals who say every Giants draft bigwig have been watching Haskins, especially his Pro Day where there are pictures. Today is another example, Haskins will visit the Giants this week yet you've seen reports Giants are "done" with Haskins.
The second BS moment is the report that Haskins could be the 4th QB chosen. It's definitely possible Drew Lock could leapfrog Haskins, but Daniel effing Jones? Get outta here with that BS. I'm echoing Louis Riddick, if that happens there needs to be an investigation or a GM needs to get fired.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2830603-if-nfl-teams-like-dwayne-haskins-why-is-he-tumbling-down-draft-boards
The second BS moment is the report that Haskins could be the 4th QB chosen. It's definitely possible Drew Lock could leapfrog Haskins, but Daniel effing Jones? Get outta here with that BS. I'm echoing Louis Riddick, if that happens there needs to be an investigation or a GM needs to get fired.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2830603-if-nfl-teams-like-dwayne-haskins-why-is-he-tumbling-down-draft-boards
Grahamburn
Footballguy
I feel like all of this stuff just makes it more obvious the Giants want him and are hopeful no team trades in front of them to select him.
The Frankman
Footballguy
Watching Dwyane Haskins on NFL Live and it's becoming more apparent the smokescreen started a few weeks after Murray declared by the Giants. There were rumors Haskins would be picked before #6 then, now people are saying there's an outside chance Haskins lasts until #17? It's amazing.
Listening to him chat with Louis Riddick (a guy I would've loved as Giants GM over Dave "I hate analytics" Gettleman), the more I'm convinced if the Giants want Haskins and a defensive player, they should move up from #17 to #9/#10 (Buffalo/Denver) and give up a late rounder.
Listening to him chat with Louis Riddick (a guy I would've loved as Giants GM over Dave "I hate analytics" Gettleman), the more I'm convinced if the Giants want Haskins and a defensive player, they should move up from #17 to #9/#10 (Buffalo/Denver) and give up a late rounder.
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Grahamburn
Footballguy
Bold Prediction:
Haskins is selected with the 5th pick overall.
Haskins is selected with the 5th pick overall.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
That would be unexpected and would probably catch Gettleman off guard.
I like Haskins and think the Giants should hedge bets and move-up if they want him and I think they do considering the amount of work they've done on him.
I have the Giants moving up ahead of the Bucs and Raiders to assure they get him in my updated mock.
That is the only trade I project in the first round...
Post Combine mock UPDATED 4-20
(Updated week before the draft with one trade I think might happen).
Grahamburn
Footballguy
If they want him I think they need to move up. It's fairly obvious they do with the amount of time they've spent. If it goes Murray and some order of Bosa, Williams, Allen I would expect Tampa to deal their pick to someone who wants to get in front of NY. If Washington truly likes him as well it would make a ton of sense for them to make that move.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Washington is screwed at QB. Not just the injury to Alex Smith but they are on the hook with the salary cap devoted to the QB position so the only way out is to get a QB still on his rookie contract.
Josh Rosen still has four years left on his rookie contract so... It just makes sense IMHO that happens.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
Moving to #5 would cost significantly more, but they'd get Haskins for an additional year, and Rosen is tainted to me. The Cardinals hired KK knowing they had the #1 pick and knowing he'd want Murray. That tells me a lot about what they think about Rosen and it isn't positive.
QuizGuy66
Footballguy
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Rosen is a smart play for Miami or Washington. Both can get an inexpensive flyer on a QB with upside. If it doesn't work out they will 'probably' have high draft picks next year. Cleveland sunk a high 2nd into DeShone Kizer the year before drafting Baker. It was a long shot gamble that didn't pan out but it wasn't that expensive. Either could get Rosen for the same amount but Rosen isn't as big of a long shot and Rosen is simply better than Kizer ever was.
I don't think Washington would move-up for Haskins if they can get Rosen and keep their first round picks this and next year.
Miami trading for Haskins would be pricey because their top pick next year will be a high first round pick and they would be giving up their 1st this and next year.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
I dont think this is an absolute fact
You forget, Murray had not yet declared for the NFL prior to AZ hiring KK. Most people felt he was using football to leverage more money from the As.
Why would a franchise hire a coach who really likes a QB prospect st 1.1 who might declare? that's quite the risk.
What do you think AZ would do of Murray had not declared for the NFL?
IMO they hired KK because they felt he was the best hire. They had the 1.1, and suddenly Murray declared for the draft, putting them in a pickle.
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Grahamburn
Footballguy
You don't think they asked KK what he'd like to do with the #1 pick or how he felt about Rosen during the interview process? You don't think Murray's decision to declare had anything to do with intel from NFL teams that he'd likely be a/the top pick?Dr. Dan said:
I'd like to think The Cardinals aren't that incompetent.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
The Cardinals are posturing now hoping they can get more for Rosen than what's being offered. Everyone knows they want to take Murray, and that's driving Rosen's price tag down.
TripleThreat
Footballguy
This is a messed up, can’t know the full story but man I’m not sure I’d want the excess baggage
https://www.nj.com/giants/2019/04/heres-the-strange-conversation-i-had-with-dawyne-haskins-father-before-he-hung-up-on-me.html
https://www.nj.com/giants/2019/04/heres-the-strange-conversation-i-had-with-dawyne-haskins-father-before-he-hung-up-on-me.html
Grahamburn
Footballguy
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
The writer got stone walled and was frustrated. He 'apparently' was writing a story from an angle of Dwayne Haskins early years in NJ and tried starting with Haskins Senior but did not get a response so the writer went with his trusted sources and got back to Haskins senior who said his sources could not be trusted but would not tell the writer which of his sources he did not trust.
The dialect from the father had religious overtones so it 'seemed' like he had an agenda "— described as “an entrepreneur promoting Christian and gospel music,". The writer did not end up going with his story so he went with the story about being frustrated when coming up against Haskins senior.
It is odd but I don't sense anything sinister that they are hiding.
BradtheAg
Footballguy
Actually he did end up going with his story, and it paints Dwayne in a very positive light. Sadly that has been completely overshadowed by this bizarre conversation and the reporter's decision to publish it.
The actual article: https://www.nj.com/giants/2019/04/making-of-dwayne-haskins-tracing-mysterious-nj-roots-of-nfl-draft-pick-maybe-next-giants-quarterback.html
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
It seemed from the back-and-forth conversation, the back-and-forth dialogue was the basis of this article that he was not going with the other story unless he could confirm things with Haskins senior.
The timing of a story like this where the writer hints the father could be an issue for any team who drafts Haskins on the cusp of the draft can be questioned.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
That was clearly more than “refused to give an interview.” If you don’t want to give an interview, you say “no thanks, not giving interviews.”
Not that wacked out, ambiguous nonsense he was spouting. Maybe the tone of the conversation matters, but by the transcript the reporter seemed more than cordial and attempting to appease the concerns of the elder Haskins.
And how he could continue to claim that’s “those stories are not accurate” without knowing what stories the reporter had gathered from those sources simply wreaks of a controlling father.
Excuse me. I am the source.
I am the source. I’ve been doing this for ten years. The content is faith, family, and football.
That’s not accurate, those people. That’s where I’m at on it. Let me pray on it.
OK, but at the end of the day, I want you to know: It’s about his family integrity and my core values. Everyone has to match up with that for me.
Alrighty then.
Excuse me. I am the source.
I am the source. I’ve been doing this for ten years. The content is faith, family, and football.
That’s not accurate, those people. That’s where I’m at on it. Let me pray on it.
OK, but at the end of the day, I want you to know: It’s about his family integrity and my core values. Everyone has to match up with that for me.
Alrighty then.
doeseatplace
Footballguy
The Frankman
Footballguy
Sebowski
Footballguy
Damnit. I was going to quote that post.
Feel for you, Frank. As much as I hate the Giants, I get your pain right now. It's a pain I expected to have as a Redskins fan when we invariably #### up like always. This is a weird feeling right now. Knowing we crushed the 1st round. I agree with you about Riddick. Some team will get a great GM next year. I was hoping we'd fire Bruce Allen and get him. He has ties to the Skins (former scout there). Good luck with Noodle "Pick 6" Jones! 
-OZ-
Footballguy
That should have happened
So should this.
Haskins will be on a lot of my teams at his current ADP. Took him 3.1 in a 12 teamer (no idp)
Faust
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