Interseptopus
Footballguy
Brown in Baltimore would actually be a really good fit
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jtd13
Footballguy
You think so? I know he's projected to be better than John Brown, but they are a similar archetype. John Brown's production went down the drain with Jackson.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
Good point. I just figure Jackson might be better with a speedster like Brown since Brown just needs space. Jacksons rushing ability can help get Brown open in those intermediate routes. Brown might be one of the better WRs to fit in Baltimore rather than a guy like Butler. And considering the GM said they way "big tough WRs" makes me think they're definitely eyeing up the opposite of that.
kittenmittens
Footballguy
I think it would be good for real football. I can't see Brown producing with that QB play tho...
Interseptopus
Footballguy
absolutely. I've concluded any wr drafted by Baltimore is probably off my board.
Since I really dont know what I think of Brown, I would be happy to have him off my board so I dont have to decide
Interseptopus
Footballguy
from a fantasy perspective I think it would drop Brown into round 2, and rightfully so.
If he lands in GB he could jump up to 1.1... However wherever the other Brown lands (minus Baltimore), I have him at the top
Stinkin Ref
IBL Representative
Brown to BAL doesn't make a ton of sense to me if BAL is realistic about what they have at QB....in todays NFL at some point you HAVE to throw the ball...(see end of LAC at BAL in playoffs)....and with Jackson you need receivers who can go get you the 50/50 balls because that is pretty much what every pass Jackson throws is.....hell they might need to be able to get the 30/70 balls.....Brown doesn't seem like that big body WR that can box out and reel in passes with a huge catch radius, etc......sure he might be a nice gadget to the running game and tricky stuff or whatever but if his primary thing is playing WR and catching really bad passes, he may not be your guy.....Jackson is beyond awful...
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Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
I think Brown would be just the RIGHT guy to play with Jackson.
Play breaks down... Defense tries to contain Jackson AND Brown running around... PROFIT!
Play breaks down... Defense tries to contain Jackson AND Brown running around... PROFIT!
TartanLion
Footballguy
I think he’s the first WR to go, just think the info in the wind seems to suggest that and the NFLs increased usage of smaller quicker guys in recent years. Metcalf opinion seems to have waned a little.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Yep, I think the NFL has learned it's the lesson that the potential of being big and fast in a straight line rarely pans out to what we imagine it could.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
I'm warming up to him, but I'm in a position where it wont hurt as bad if I draft him and he flops
Without knowing exactly what goes into a "breakout season," anyone know if his freshman JUCO stats would be considered a breakout of he were at OU?
I have to assume it would have been. He had 30% of the reception yards, 27% of the receptions, and 50% of the receiving TDs. Granted, its JUCO, just trying to look at it hypothetically to justify his late breakout age
by the way,
at 5'11 170 pounds
Without knowing exactly what goes into a "breakout season," anyone know if his freshman JUCO stats would be considered a breakout of he were at OU?
I have to assume it would have been. He had 30% of the reception yards, 27% of the receptions, and 50% of the receiving TDs. Granted, its JUCO, just trying to look at it hypothetically to justify his late breakout age
by the way,
at 5'11 170 pounds
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ZWK
Footballguy
Yes, that is way above their threshold for a "breakout" (which is 20% on average of rec yards & rec TDs) - it's double the production that he'd need to qualify.
His 2017 season at Oklahoma was also better than a lot of seasons which Player Profiler counts as a breakout, but they don't count it because they focus exclusively on market share and it didn't quite reach their cutoff. But there's no particular reason why caring about the age when a receiver starts producing requires treating market share as the preeminent production stat, it just happens to be the case that the people who came up with the "breakout age" stat were people whose favorite production stat was market share. But if you (for example) look at yards per team attempt instead of market share of receiving yards, then his 2017 looks a lot better.
Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
I've viewed him as a Top 10 pick in the draft. He's not a pure straight line speedster like John Ross (who went top 10 purely off a fast 40). Desean or a less refined Brandin Cooks are good comps IMO.
For me, he's clear WR1 in this class. JMO There's a few Michael Floyd/Treadwell types in this draft that I'd steer well clear of early
For me, he's clear WR1 in this class. JMO There's a few Michael Floyd/Treadwell types in this draft that I'd steer well clear of early
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Ilov80s
Footballguy
Who are the Michael Floyd and Treadwells in this draft? Also what do those guys really even have in common besides they busted?
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Interseptopus
Footballguy
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Harmon is a good Treadwell comp. I was anti Floyd but honestly I lucked into that. His profile was really good but he just had a drinking problem.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Victim of Baltimore.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
Probably the best wr of this class for Baltimore and fantasy. Hes not a high 1st in rookie drafts but he os a good bargain at the bottom of round 1. hes going to get a lot of targets
voiceofunreason
Footballguy
I was warming up to him too. Not sure I want to hold him for 5 years though.I'm warming up to him, but I'm in a position where it wont hurt as bad if I draft him and he flops
Without knowing exactly what goes into a "breakout season," anyone know if his freshman JUCO stats would be considered a breakout of he were at OU?
I have to assume it would have been. He had 30% of the reception yards, 27% of the receptions, and 50% of the receiving TDs. Granted, its JUCO, just trying to look at it hypothetically to justify his late breakout age
by the way,
Interseptopus
Footballguy
I'm still okay with him. I think his strengths play to Jacksons strengths in the passing game. The issue is the amount of attempts from.jackson... which if they arent higher than 2018 then Browns fantasy outlook is not good. IMO Jackson wasnt ready last year and I'd expect a jump from year 1 to 2. if he cant make that jump then Brown is sunk
Risky for sure, but the upside is tremendous.
Late 1st rookie pick 9-12 I'd be excited for
Stinkin Ref
IBL Representative
Doc....how convinced are you Jackson can make the jump in the passing game.....he looked brutally awful most of last year.....passes not even close....in the ground, etc.....do you think he really has the skill set to improve that much.....he did have a few nice throws in comeback mode against LAC but that seemed to be the exception not the rule....
Interseptopus
Footballguy
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
ffmail4me
Footballguy
That's gold 
cloppbeast
Footballguy
Wow, who saw that coming?
saintfool
Dead sexy
ericttspikes
Footballguy
I like the landing spot for redraft and dynasty. The over reaction to being on the Ravens should present a good value for him. Unless something crazy happens he'll be their WR 1 opening day. Can't think of any other rookie WR to be in that position year 1.
cloppbeast
Footballguy
On one hand, he was selected sooner than most ppl thought. But it was the Ravens. So...
Overall I think this helps his value. Hes at least a mid first rookie pick.
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Plenty of people had him as their #1 or at least in their top-4 rookie picks before the Ravens banished him to Hell.
I wouldn't pay more than a mid-1st for him today, and more likely a late-1st/early-2nd. Which means that I won't own him.
TartanLion
Footballguy
Thank you Ravens for making me a nice little chunk of money last night, had around 150 dollars on Marquise to be first WR off the board.
Think he could be good in this landing spot tbh, threat of the run could open up holes in the intermediary routes can see lots of screens, crossing routes for 10 yard receptions and hopefully loads of yards after the catch
Think he could be good in this landing spot tbh, threat of the run could open up holes in the intermediary routes can see lots of screens, crossing routes for 10 yard receptions and hopefully loads of yards after the catch
cloppbeast
Footballguy
Is that so? I was unawares of this. He didn't have that much buzz around here that I noticed. I also didn't expect him to be the first receiver taken.
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ghostguy123
Footballguy
I think some of you are overthinking this. This is a terrible landing spot. As bad as it gets.
ChuckLiddell
Footballguy
Maybe. Or maybe Jackson's ability to extend plays will play well with Brown's talent set. Maybe Jackson's offseason work will make him a better passer than what we saw. Maybe teams stacking 8 in the box will open up a lot of lanes for a guy with that kind of speed to take advantage of. He has no real competition for targets so if he can pick up the offense he should get plenty of time, and plenty of looks. On paper, I can see your point completely but I think the book is still not written on what Lamar Jackson can do in the NFL as a passer. The Ravens seemed to feel no remorse letting Flacco walk, so they saw something that gave them the hope and belief that they had a starting caliber QB. The Ravens have made a lot of very good decisions over the past several years, and not a ton of bad ones, so maybe some benefit of the doubt is due.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
DLF forums many people had him as the 1.1 prior to the draft. That place was coo-coo for Hollywoodcloppbeast said:
I dont like to pigeon hole myself with the opinions of a few out spoken posters at FBG. DLF has a lot of different opinions. For instance, they also absolutely love Sanders. 1.2 in some cases.
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