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WR Marquise Brown, KC (1 Viewer)
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The Frankman
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themeistersinger
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Man, only two targets this week. I'm probably going to cut him after this - running out of time.
rockaction
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This guy was a big, fat DND and don't bother acquiring for me this year.
barackdhouse
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Moved him three days ago, along with a late 1st and early 2nd, to get Mixon.
It just isn't working.
It just isn't working.
I think he's still worth holding onto.themeistersinger said:
The Ravens won't face a better pass rush all year, and this was a bad weather game, that the Ravens were more equipped to pound the ball. I think the rushing success they had/have will make the deep shots more likely(and successful) in games not against the league's best pass rush in bad weather.
Brown is a guy I'll be looking to trade for right now, and from the sounds of it, it won't cost anything. I still think WR3 value is there, with upside for more, at WR5 prices.
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Ravens WR Marquise Brown expressed frustration on Twitter about his usage in the team's offense.
In a since-deleted Twitter post, Brown said "what's the point of having souljas when you never use them."
https://twitter.com/BleacherReport/status/1323024039296708609?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1323024039296708609|twgr^share_3&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fbleacherreport.com%2Farticles%2F2916117-ravens-marquise-brown-appears-to-call-out-lack-of-touches-after-steelers-loss
In a since-deleted Twitter post, Brown said "what's the point of having souljas when you never use them."
https://twitter.com/BleacherReport/status/1323024039296708609?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1323024039296708609|twgr^share_3&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fbleacherreport.com%2Farticles%2F2916117-ravens-marquise-brown-appears-to-call-out-lack-of-touches-after-steelers-loss
whole-show
Footballguy
Stat Correction
Footballguy
Let's hope it works.
My Lamar/Hollywood combo is killing me.
My Lamar/Hollywood combo is killing me.
They've just missed on like 5 TD's this year. Its been almost unbelievable. A foot here and there, and Brown has another 300 yards and 5 TD's.Stat Correction said:
Lamar is just not playing well at all right now. If he was at close to what he was last year, the Ravens would be undefeated right now, and everybody's Super Bowl pick.
That said, I think Lamar(and Brown and Andrews by extension) are guys I'd rather bet on than against, but I agree its been very frustrating.
King of the Jungle
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I would be buying low in dynasty but own him unfortunately. I think he has the talent but Lamar needs to improve or Marquise needs a change of scenery.
barackdhouse
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Yeah Lamar is missing his mojo this year. He is still talented enough, and so are his teammates, that they're gonna put up some points and win most games regardless. But Lamar is simply playing bad and it seems his confidence is shook to me.
The thing about sports, as we've seen time and time again, is that the switch can get flipped. There is still time for that to happen this season and there can be fireworks. But I am not super optimistic about it happening.
Buffaloes
Footballguy
Biabreakable
Footballguy
I am normally someone who dismisses player limitations due to their size.
However I think Brown is too small to be a WR one for a team. I do not expect him to have a good career despite his speed and draft pedigree.
I think the Ravens are in need of a WR but they keep drafting guys who are not good. A long history of this. Brown is probably the best one they have drafted in a long time but I see him as more of a complimentary player than a actual WR one for a team.
rockaction
Footballguy
I can't get over how small he looks out there. Size isn't everything, but it's something. Plus his best game was his first against a Miami unit that didn't want to be there that day. Their secondary was atrocious. He's been riding off of that game ever since. I had him in redraft last year as a pick up, and won't do that again until he proves something in the NFL.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
The counter argument to this is of course Tyreek Hill. Hill is thicker than Brown though. FWIW I was wrong about Hill so that has caused me to not completely turn the page on Brown, but Brown seems more like John Ross than Hill to me.
rockaction
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Tyreek is not small, though. He's short. Marquise looks frail out there. He doesn't look like a volume guy at all. He looks like Tavon Austin did. Perhaps I'm really wrong, but right now and from watching him last year, this guy was a big DND for me, at almost any price.
Strongly disagree with this, Brown has proven plenty, and has absolutely had more than 1 good game. He's really only had 1 truly bad game this year, and that was against KC, where Jackson was awful. Brown has 86 yards or a TD in over half his games this season. Not arguing he's a stud by any means, but I'd still call him a top-36 guy for sure.
Hill is completely unique so any comp to him is a little unfair. Brown is a hell of a lot better than Ross. Brown is basically a young D-Jax, and is pretty boom/bust, though that seems mostly QB related, as Andrews has been boom/bust too, and is universally considered a top-5 NFL TE.
Biabreakable
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I probably should watch Brown more before flapping my gums about him.
I dont think he provides what Jackson needs to develop as a passer. I think Jackson needs a stronger, more reliable WR he can count on to make off target throws at times. A guy he can actually establish some rhythm with.
I dont think that's Brown or any other WR on their roster
rockaction
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Brown is WR43 in PPR in total points and WR50 in average points. It's not even close to what was expected of him or what people have paid or invested draft capital in.
Sorry. He's exactly what I figured, WR4 or 5.
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ffmail4me
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So do you not like players who score more points generally speaking? Jones is averaging 3 points more per game that Brown, and the reality is there are a lot less available 3 down RBs than #4 or #5 WRs in FF.
I'm a big Ronald Jones fan, and think Tampa is only making things harder for their offense by insisting Fournette is Jones level when he is not, but Jones is one of the last RBs I'd call a 3 down back. The one thing Fournette does better is catch, and that was also true of McCoy, Vaughn, Ogunbowale, or whoever else was in the backfield.
Personally, I'd have Hollywood and Jones about equal in dynasty. Higher floor for Brown, higher ceiling for Jones.
Replace John with Antonio, and that is the exact situation one of the teams in my league has.
I think there is a decent shot Ridley plays this weekend. It was a minor injury, and he gets 10 days to recover. I'd call him 50-50. If he's out, I'd probably go Hollywood over John.
Dr. Octopus
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It's not like Jones has been any kind of fantasy asset, and he's a better fantasy player (when he gets volume) than an NFL player - which means his volume is far from guaranteed -something his owners (me included) learned oh too well on Sunday.
32 Counter Pass
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Johnny Utah #9
Footballguy
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30258155/baltimore-ravens-lamar-jackson-takes-blame-low-marquise-brown-targets
The Squeaky Wheel Treatment:
Step 1) Diva WR complains publicly about lack of targets (Could be after a win or loss) (preferably on social media). *check*
Step 2) Coach and/or QB publicly acknowledges WR’s frustration over lack of targets and promises increased involvement. *check*
Step 3) WR is featured prominently in the game plan of the following game. WR has a big game statistically. All is well. *to be determined*
We’re 2/3 of the way there guys. The matchup sucks, but we’ve all seen how this movie ends. I’m rolling him out there once again. LFG
The Squeaky Wheel Treatment:
Step 1) Diva WR complains publicly about lack of targets (Could be after a win or loss) (preferably on social media). *check*
Step 2) Coach and/or QB publicly acknowledges WR’s frustration over lack of targets and promises increased involvement. *check*
Step 3) WR is featured prominently in the game plan of the following game. WR has a big game statistically. All is well. *to be determined*
We’re 2/3 of the way there guys. The matchup sucks, but we’ve all seen how this movie ends. I’m rolling him out there once again. LFG
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The matchup doesn't suck though.https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30258155/baltimore-ravens-lamar-jackson-takes-blame-low-marquise-brown-targets
The Squeaky Wheel Treatment:
Step 1) Diva WR complains publicly about lack of targets (Could be after a win or loss) (preferably on social media). *check*
Step 2) Coach and/or QB publicly acknowledges WR’s frustration over lack of targets and promises increased involvement. *check*
Step 3) WR is featured prominently in the game plan of the following game. WR has a big game statistically. All is well. *to be determined*
We’re 2/3 of the way there guys. The matchup sucks, but we’ve all seen how this movie ends. I’m rolling him out there once again. LFG
INDY D is actually stiff against the run, but has let WR1s eat quite a bit. And, this Indy D faced some really crappy offenses early in the season.
If it's going to happen it HAS to happen this week.
If it doesn't, M. Brown is going to be massively dropped next week.
Right now, I'm starting Brown (over AB).
Johnny Utah #9
Footballguy
Good to know. I didn’t realize Indy was struggling a bit with WR1s. Yeah, I agree that this is literally make or break for him this week. His FF starter viability is hanging on by a thread at this point. I have a similar choice to make with AB. If Godwin is out, I’ll make it a family affair and roll them both out.
Johnny Utah #9
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Dez Bryant moved to active roster. Another potential mouth to feed in the Ravens anemic passing offense.
This move the needle at all about whether to play Hollywood tomorrow or not? The squeaky wheel treatment is to be expected, but hopefully Lamar can put a few passes on point.
This move the needle at all about whether to play Hollywood tomorrow or not? The squeaky wheel treatment is to be expected, but hopefully Lamar can put a few passes on point.
Johnny Utah #9
Footballguy
Not to get too AC, but I know you are facing the same decision I am on Hollywood vs AB. Does LaCanfora’s report that AB might be heavily featured sway you at all? I’m still leaning Hollywood, but that report did give me pause.
I've got to start two of M. Brown, Evans, and AB.
I'm locking in M. Brown now. Just feel like this is a squeaky wheel gets the grease situation.
That then leaves me until the 8pm game to flip a coin on Evans vs. AB. I have Evans in now, but I fear the Lattimore matchup. Saw the LaCanfora report. If there is buzz pre game tonight on AB I bet I flip them.
Johnny Utah #9
Footballguy
I'm facing a similar decision as I need to start 2 of Hollywood, Godwin, and AB. I really wish Godwin was taking this week off, as I could see it being a decoy situation. I was hoping he'd be out and I could slide AB in there. I'm rolling with Hollywood and in case Godwin doesn't go I can pivot to AB. For what it's worth, LaCanfora is generally a terrible reporter and gets a lot of stuff wrong. If that report was coming from Sheffter, I'd give it a lot more weight.
Hopefully the squeaky wheel gets greased. Or, let's hope Lamar can at least find the oil.
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The squeaky wheel did not get greased.
He didn't cost me the game, but Brown is officially a difficult player to hold. If push comes to serious shove he may have to go for me, but doubt that's this week.
Don't love the matchup this week @NE (unless Gilmore is still out).
There's actually a string of games that would seem to be good matchups for Brown after NE: TN, @PIT, DAL, @CLE, JAX. Wouldn't surprise me to see him dropped this week and then blow up once owners sell low.
That said, it also wouldn't surprise me if Brown is a WR4-5 ROS.
He didn't cost me the game, but Brown is officially a difficult player to hold. If push comes to serious shove he may have to go for me, but doubt that's this week.
Don't love the matchup this week @NE (unless Gilmore is still out).
There's actually a string of games that would seem to be good matchups for Brown after NE: TN, @PIT, DAL, @CLE, JAX. Wouldn't surprise me to see him dropped this week and then blow up once owners sell low.
That said, it also wouldn't surprise me if Brown is a WR4-5 ROS.
themeistersinger
Footballguy
He's definitely on my OK to drop list. Not rage dropping him but once I find somebody worth spending FAAB on Brown will be the first to go.
The problem really is Jackson - he's just not a good passer this year.
The problem really is Jackson - he's just not a good passer this year.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
I can hear the offseason trade requests already.
Johnny Utah #9
Footballguy
Just an unusable player at this point. I know the schedule opens up going forward, but until Lamar shows some semblance of improvement passing the ball, I don’t know how you can use him. The guy was throwing hospital balls all game last night. Some regression with Lamar was to be expected, but it’s shocking how bad he looks now.
I’m still wary to drop him since the playoff matchups are so juicy and I wouldn’t want him blowing up against me. But at this point the odds of that happening are looking slimmer by the week.
What’s everyone else doing with him? Drop city?
I’m still wary to drop him since the playoff matchups are so juicy and I wouldn’t want him blowing up against me. But at this point the odds of that happening are looking slimmer by the week.
What’s everyone else doing with him? Drop city?
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It's not just Jackson, it's the offensive coordinator. He has not evolved this offense one bit from last year while at the same time defenses have caught up to them.
Just an unimaginative offense. No WR sweeps for Brown (although yes for Snead) and you never see Jackson throwing with velocity at medium to long depth outside of the hashmarks. It's all lame/conservative dump offs either to Andrews who runs five yard button hooks or to another big body in Snead running in the middle.
Hard to hold him now. I have a couple other dopes to drop first (in T. Pope and J. Wilkins). Brown is next in line, but I may not need to go that deep since waivers looks slim and I'd be dropping Brown for just another aggravation.
