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VikingFrog
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I think it is time we change his name to Danny Dash.
The Frankman
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Danny Turnovers is my fave.
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Daniel Jones hamstring injury pretty bad a source says per Jordan Raanan
The Frankman
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This had the look of a 6-8 week injury.
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Hot Sauce Guy
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Tough injury - kid was finally stringing together some quality games. Hasn’t had a turnover in 4 games now (including yesterday’s partial), was making good reads, running more & throwing the ball away under pressure.
I was looking forward to seeing him down the stretch. I know there’s a lot of haterade in here, but it’s hard to watch his last 3.5 games and not come away impressed. He *should* have had a loooong TD on a perfect deep ball to Slayton that hit him on the hands yesterday before the injury.
Personally, the timing could have been better since I have Mahomes on the BYE in superflex. Thankfully I’m in 1st place, but still....
I was looking forward to seeing him down the stretch. I know there’s a lot of haterade in here, but it’s hard to watch his last 3.5 games and not come away impressed. He *should* have had a loooong TD on a perfect deep ball to Slayton that hit him on the hands yesterday before the injury.
Personally, the timing could have been better since I have Mahomes on the BYE in superflex. Thankfully I’m in 1st place, but still....
wgoldsph
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He didnt have any turnovers that weren't recovered by his team you mean, in the past three games he played. And the last four games he played were against cin, phi, wash, and Tb. So one good defense he had two ints, 61 comp percentage, and 58 qbr.
But he's not as bad as that Denver practice squad wr, I can give him that.
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Hot Sauce Guy
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no, I meant what I said. It’s right there - no need to paraphrase it.
who cares. I was talking specifically about the improvement he’d shown over the last 3 games, where he had 3 excellent games, avoided sacks, and wasn’t turning the ball over.
I guess you’re just too busy drinking haterade to have a mature discussion about the progress he’s shown.
Again, completely irrelevant and needlessly insulting.
Maybe come back and try discussing this payer when your obvious bias isn’t clouding your posts to this degree. It’s a really bad look.
The Frankman
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I'm harder on Daniel Jones that any other Giants fan ( @wgoldsph included), but to tell you where some of us where at with him... put it this way.
The fact that for 2-3 games he seemed to react to pressure around him and not stare blankly as the ball was knocked out of his hands/didn't panic and throw a soul-killing "WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT????" ball that usually would be an INT actually has us Giants fans excited.
Why do I say that? Because for the first time all year, we as fans can start to properly evaluate who Jones is as a QB. I don't care what people say; you can't start to evaluate how a QB does under pressure when he can't feel it in the first place. No NFL QB can succeed long-term like that unless they have a god-tier offensive line. For example, Jared Goff can at least feel pressure; he just has a had time reading defenses and wilts like a scared little girl under said pressure. After the TB game, at the very least Giants fans have seen a bit of a stretch where Jones eventually reacts to the pressure in his area and doesn't turn the ball over... which is good. It has to be said that the biggest deterrent to the Giants O early in the year outside of the Giants O-Line/Engram misplays was Daniel Jones himself. When Jones can limit mistakes and hit the open man short, the Giants other pieces have shown that they can win the game.
The fact that for 2-3 games he seemed to react to pressure around him and not stare blankly as the ball was knocked out of his hands/didn't panic and throw a soul-killing "WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT????" ball that usually would be an INT actually has us Giants fans excited.
Why do I say that? Because for the first time all year, we as fans can start to properly evaluate who Jones is as a QB. I don't care what people say; you can't start to evaluate how a QB does under pressure when he can't feel it in the first place. No NFL QB can succeed long-term like that unless they have a god-tier offensive line. For example, Jared Goff can at least feel pressure; he just has a had time reading defenses and wilts like a scared little girl under said pressure. After the TB game, at the very least Giants fans have seen a bit of a stretch where Jones eventually reacts to the pressure in his area and doesn't turn the ball over... which is good. It has to be said that the biggest deterrent to the Giants O early in the year outside of the Giants O-Line/Engram misplays was Daniel Jones himself. When Jones can limit mistakes and hit the open man short, the Giants other pieces have shown that they can win the game.
wgoldsph
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Jones has always played really well against poor competition. He did last year as well. It's what believers clung to at the end of the season, taking his demolishing of wash, jets, and det as signs for the future. This year he hasn't even taken bad teams to the woodshed.
Hot Sauce Guy
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His last 3 were against CIN, PHI & WAS
Of the 3, the Eagles pass rush had been respectable to that point & WAS looks like a legitimate team with that win against the previously undefeated Steelers.
But please do carry on with your sweeping generalizations and back-handed insults (alleging “believers” “clinging to” things seems very ad hominem)
I’ll stick to evaluating what I’ve seen of Jones recent 3-game stretch of impressive play on the field.
he’s a good buy-low in dynasty for superflex leagues if his owners are as myopic as you in their evaluation.
Have a nice day.
Hot Sauce Guy
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I don’t disagree - but he’s shown improvement the last few games in that area specifically. He doesn’t have that “Tom Brady at his peak 6th sense” to shift in the pocket, but he sure was excelling when he tucked and ran, and a few times even sensed and evaded pressure to do so.
I’m all for being critical of a player when they play badly - I’ve been critical of DJones on plenty of occasions, notably in the in-game topics.
But I also try to be fair and give credit where due. In the last few games he was running the ball like crazy, and it was effective. Same crappy like, same pressure. Good reaction to it instead of bad. He threw the ball away a number of times under pressure too. He looked like a guy who was starting to get out of his own way a little. Making better decisions & letting the game come to him.
and mot for nothing, there were some deep passes to Shepherd & especially Slayton where the receiver slowed up on the ball, or where it hit them on the hands. Several of those were sure fire deep TDs, and through no fault of DJ’s they turned into incomplete passes.
I get why Giants fans are sick of Jones and I understand the bitterness & resentment that breeds. But I’ve seen enough this year that I am a little bit excited to see what Jones can do next year. I recall that with Barkley, Jones leaned on the short passing game to great effect. This year Jones has had to learn to play without that. That experience from this year should translate to growth next year.
And hey; if he comes out next year looking terrible & regresses I’ll be the 1st to point it out. I see more reason for optimism. Maybe even breakout potential. Hey, someone has to have that take - might as well be me.
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smbkrypt24
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Played so well this week. I think he silenced a lot of critics.
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The Big Donkey
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He didn't look ready at all, whether injury or what...and by what...was there a gameplan from Garrett? not evident at this point.
Wouldnt' be surprised if McCoy starts next week. Jones was limping at the end of the game.
edit: I'm sure Garrett had a plan, but it didn't work this time.
Wouldnt' be surprised if McCoy starts next week. Jones was limping at the end of the game.
edit: I'm sure Garrett had a plan, but it didn't work this time.
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The Frankman
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Sit him Giants. He can't run so now he can't avoid the pressure he may not even feel coming... and Myles Garrett is waiting to tee off on him. We saw Jones return to his norm last week with the fumbles, gotta give it to Colt and hope the D holds up.
The Frankman
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I'd say that's debatable? ... I'd need to see him get a full camp.
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Hot Sauce Guy
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Same. I want to see Joe a with Saquan and a rebuilt (competent) OL.with better protection and all his weapons back, I actually agree with Kiper.
it was a hard year for him, but he showed some improvement. given the context of that offense, that incremental improvement could pay dividends for 2021.
And it’s not like the division is a powerhouse, even assuming DAL gets back to form.
The Big Donkey
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in addition to Barkley and the line, he really needs a WR1, whether it's FA or the #11 pick. Sheppard, Slayton, Tate - can't go into this year with that trio again. I'd be hard pressed to find a worse WR corps in the league. I think Tate gets cut.Same. I want to see Joe a with Saquan and a rebuilt (competent) OL.
it was a hard year for him, but he showed some improvement. given the context of that offense, that incremental improvement could pay dividends for 2021.
And it’s not like the division is a powerhouse, even assuming DAL gets back to form.
Hot Sauce Guy
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Agree. Tate’s a gonner. See my recap of a game above in this topic for an example of what should have easily been a 3 TD day if his wide open receivers didn’t quit on, or knew how to run routes with perfectly placed balls.
Jones gets a lot of hate, much of it well-deserved, but he also had a lot of help from his receiving corps in his struggles.
while not a #1, I could see someone like Juju being an effective addition. Sure-handed, makes tough catches in traffic. Godwin comes to mind as a potential add with legitimate #1 WR potential as well.
one thing’s sure - 2021 is probably a make or break for Jones, regardless of the votes of confidence.
These players are better but this would be repeating the same mistake they made when they threw money at Shepard and Tate. That mistake is signing a bunch of WR's who are all better out of the slot.
Off top of my head I think I could come up with about 10 teams as bad or comparably as bad, especially if we are just looking at players under contract in 2021. They do need a #1 but it's not totally barren plus Barkley and maybe Engram if he can get back on track offer options/mismatches in the passing game.
The Big Donkey
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Can I see your ten teams? Not being antagonistic.
edit: and I agree - would prefer a WR via draft rather than overpaying another slot receiver.
Hakeem Nicks is only 32 years old, what a shame he didn't have a full career.
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wgoldsph
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Sure but tricky right now because I'm not sure how you are looking at it with respect to players not under contract. Like should I count Will Fuller as a Texan? For now I'll just assume Godwin, Golladay and Robinson get tagged. JuJu, Fuller and rest of FA class are no longer part of their teams. I also assume Tate is gone as well as likely to be cut players from other teams, like Alshon for example.
Reasonable minds can disagree but here are my opinions.And really I'm just talking about Shepard and Slayton on the Giants, nothing else matters and for this not factoring in Barkley or Engram which should be part of whole passing game but I'm limiting this to WR's.
Redskins: McClaurin clearly the best of the group but what else? Maybe McClaurin alone is better then Shepard/Slayton. Possible.
Eagles: Reagor is only WR on the team I feel confident has a sizeable role next season. I think Shepard would be the best WR on this team, at least until Reagor steps up which is possible but have not seen it yet.
Lions-kind of like Redskins. They got Golladay and nothing else. Is that better then Shepard/Slayton? Maybe, but not so sure.
Dolphins- Preston Williams can't stay on the field and that's a big factor for me and while many would disagree I'm not seeing Preston/Parker as a noticeable upgrade on Shepard/Slayton.
Jets: Crowder and Mims is pretty much on par with Slayton and Shepard to me.
Patriots-my vote for clearly the worst WR group in the league. This to me is your easy winner for the team with worse WR's then the Giants plus they don't have a TE and White is a FA. It's ugly as ugly gets here.
Baltimore- Marquise Brown might be a star or at least like a Terry McClaurin level kind of close to NFL#1WR if he had a decent QB. But even with that no one else seems that good and that's with me being real kind of Brown.
Raiders- If we are projecting on what they can be then you might say this is wrong. But if we are talking about what they actually showed I could not say that Ruggs/Braylon Edwards/Renfrow was an upgrade.
Colts-Pittman is all they got under contract with any kind of value. Pittman/Paris/Pascal vs Shepard/Slayton is a wash to me. Pittman and Parris offer a lot of upside but this is kind of like Raiders situation, if I"m basing this on what they could be I'd have left off the Colts but based on what I've actually seen I can't.
Houston- If Fuller is a member of the team then no, they are clearly better but I'm not including him but feel free to throw this team out if you are looking at this in terms of all players on the team, whether FA's or not.
When I commented earlier about 10 I had not actually thought it all the way. I just did this list and then had to count it and it magically came out as 10. Now like I said you can throw out Houston if you want to include Fuller. If we are basing this one who I'd rather have going forward we could also throw out Colts and Raiders for sure but I was trying to avoid projections and base this on actual performance.
Just my thoughts and actually answering this question made me thing a lot of teams need some WR help which is surprising because all we keep hearing the last few years is how deep most WR classes are.
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