Let me thank you right now for the list of rankings on Page 1 with the links to Spot and Tube.If we had a working search function I wouldn't have had to scroll through the whole damn thread to find this.
My guess is he loses "Bulldog", Helter Skelter", and "Bird Can Sing"Through song #34, I had yet to hit any songs on Mr. krista's top 10 list. Are we married because we like the same Beatles songs, or do we like the same Beatles songs because we're married? I actually brought this up last night, and we acknowledged that we think each of us has one song in our top 10 that was influenced partly by the other, but otherwise we came to these conclusions independently. But after going unscathed all this time, Mr. krista's list is going to lose three songs in a row, at my #33, 32, and 31.
Reminder of his list, in no particular order:
Taxman
Hey Bulldog
Helter Skelter
I’m So Tired
And Your Bird Can Sing
Rain
Across the Universe
I’ve Just Seen a Face
Happiness is a Warm Gun
In My Life*
*new
Thanks, Krista. Appreciate you putting this up. When I click on the link, it says it's unavailable. Just me?While I'm composing the next write-up, please enjoy this musical interlude from @Shaft41's daughter!
Shaft, she is truly spectacular. I'd have said something nice even if she weren't, but maybe like "great for her age" or something (which she is, too), but seriously she's amazing. I assume your wife must have some musical talent?
ETA: Also, I had to use YouTube, contrary to what I'd previously told you, but I listed it as "private" so that randoms can't come upon it.
Change from private to unlisted.While I'm composing the next write-up, please enjoy this musical interlude from @Shaft41's daughter!
Shaft, she is truly spectacular. I'd have said something nice even if she weren't, but maybe like "great for her age" or something (which she is, too), but seriously she's amazing. I assume your wife must have some musical talent?
ETA: Also, I had to use YouTube, contrary to what I'd previously told you, but I listed it as "private" so that randoms can't come upon it.
This is greatDone! Try again!Change from private to unlisted.
She probably gets a little musical talent from me. Thank God she got her looks from her mom.While I'm composing the next write-up, please enjoy this musical interlude from @Shaft41's daughter!
Shaft, she is truly spectacular. I'd have said something nice even if she weren't, but maybe like "great for her age" or something (which she is, too), but seriously she's amazing. I assume your wife must have some musical talent?
ETA: Also, I had to use YouTube, contrary to what I'd previously told you, but I listed it as "private" so that randoms can't come upon it.
That young lady can sing, my friend.She probably gets a little musical talent from me. Thank God she got her looks from her mom.
While I'm composing the next write-up, please enjoy this musical interlude from @Shaft41's daughter!
Shaft, she is truly spectacular. I'd have said something nice even if she weren't, but maybe like "great for her age" or something (which she is, too), but seriously she's amazing. I assume your wife must have some musical talent?
ETA: Also, I had to use YouTube, contrary to what I'd previously told you, but I listed it as "private" so that randoms can't come upon it.
More than lovely. My youngest son's mother, who made a living @ music for over thirty years and taught me more about singing than even the stars i used to work with, used to say that the rarest & purest talent of a singer is the ability to find the hinges in a song. Shafty's girl found new hinges in a classic and that is a fresh & beautiful thing to hear. Keep her playing & believing & away from talent-contest singing at all cost. And thank you for adding to my faith in music.While I'm composing the next write-up, please enjoy this musical interlude from @Shaft41's daughter!
Shaft, she is truly spectacular. I'd have said something nice even if she weren't, but maybe like "great for her age" or something (which she is, too), but seriously she's amazing. I assume your wife must have some musical talent?
ETA: Also, I had to use YouTube, contrary to what I'd previously told you, but I listed it as "private" so that randoms can't come upon it.
It's impossible to separate politics from this song, as Uruk-Hai points out. This is deliberately and consciously a political song, and there can't possibly be a "Who? Me?" about it. I simply love that in '68 he was ripping on the Little Red Book and Chairman Mao's "program." John gave it to everyone with this song, and it seems like everyone deserved his scorn for once, IMHO.34. Revolution (single, 1968)
Haven't we been through this already?... Rock, I don’t know why I remembered, ...
I don't want to sound complaining.krista4 said:
Krista's on Page 1.so, where are the results?
70 pages and 6 weeks later ...Composite will be posted after Krista is done.
I don't...remember?Haven't we been through this already?... Rock, I don’t know why I remembered, ...
Awesome!I don't want to sound complaining.
But you know this pick’s too low in my heart.
(In my heart)
It’s top twenty easily too.
It's so hard to reason with you.
Woah yeah, why do you make me blue?
That line kinda reminds me of my grandfather. My grandfather on my dad's side had a first name and two middle names. He was John William Howard. Everyone knew him as Mike (including my grandmother), which was the name of a horse he loved as a little boy. I called him Paw. I didn't know until I was a teenager that Mike was not a part of his birth name. He also had some childhood friends that called him Saddler.I’d be up for the rant and likely agree with it.
Just got in my car not only to find Rocky Raccoon on the Beatles channel, but at the very moment of the Mcgill/Lil/Nancy line.
This is my favorite song on the White Album. I love it.33. Happiness Is A Warm Gun (White Album, 1968)
Eight fragments beginning with “You Never Give Me Your Money” and ending with “The End.”Ok, almost ready to submit my list. I need one clarification tho, which is probably listed already, but..
What songs are included in the "Abbey Road Medley" for ranking purposes?
Excellent. Frees up some room in my 25.Eight fragments beginning with “You Never Give Me Your Money” and ending with “The End.”
Had to do something to lure you back, GB.Also, I really got to say thanks to this entire thread. After being AWOL for months, this is a great thing to return to.
That book was my favorite as a kid.This is the beauty of The Beatles. I am not a fan at all of Happiness Is A Warm Gun. It would be well down in the triple digits for me. But I can't really fault anyone for liking it, although I much prefer Charles Schultz's Happiness Is A Warm Puppy.
Crap. My Bulldog dreams are dashed.Next one coming up very quickly, since I did the write-up a couple of days ago and then moved it up.
Great write up. Love this song. Everything about it. Never knew about Paul doing the guitar solo until this thread - somebody (krista?) referenced it earlier in the thread. It's easy for wacky US liberals (not classic European liberals) like Mrs APK to dislike the greedy message that appears at first glance to be the main thrust of the song, but this song isn't just about Steve Forbes style tax "reform" --- this is about government led oppression and overreach.32. Taxman (Revolver, 1966)
Beatles version: Spotify YouTube
George's "Oh, so this is what happens to grown-ups" song where he, like the rest of us, first gets a paycheck and sees the government bite out of it. Unlike my first job at an ice cream joint paying me $2/hour, George perhaps could have afforded to pay a little more, but I can't blame him for protesting what was in fact a 90-95% combined income tax rate in his bracket at the time. Then he learned that the taxes wouldn't even go away when you die due to the "death tax" ("Now my advice for those who die; declare the pennies on your eyes."). George wasn't the only Beatle upset by this - they all expressed their disgust with this at one time or another. In fact, since John helped George with the lyrics to this song - notably the lines about the current Prime Minister Mr. Wilson and the opposition party leader and future Prime Minister Mr. Heath - I wouldn't be surprised if some of that cynicism crept into the song from John himself.
This song represented a first for George, as it was the first time he was given such a coveted spot on a Beatles record - opening track on side one. This placement as well as the significant time the group put into the song's production indicate to me that this was considered to be one of the record strongest songs...on a record where pretty much every song was insanely good. Until this thread, I had no idea this was a love/hate song; I assumed all reasonable people loved it. I assume that those who hate it are mostly turned off by the lyrics, which would be understandable. Sometimes I find them terribly clever, especially the bridge; sometimes they strike me as irritating or worse as childish or self-serving. It's my ambivalence over the lyrics that leads to this song missing the top 25.
wikkid mentioned after I ranked "She's A Woman" that this was the same song. I should let him point out what he sees as the similarities, but among other things I think the stabby guitars sound similar, and as with the other song, I love that part of this one. I don't much like Paul's husky vocal on "She's A Woman," though, and prefer George's clear but sneering performance here. I love the harmonies that come into the call-and-response-style bridge, building to a frenzy that is heightened by the searing guitar solo that follows. I even love the slightly disturbed-sounding count-in that's not really a count-in, as you can here in the distance the real count-in, all of this harkening back to "I Saw Her Standing There" while simultaneously announcing that this is going to be different.
The highlights for me, though, are in the bass line/drums, as well as that crazy, brilliant guitar solo. Credit for almost all of those items goes to Paul. First, he and Ringo establish a wicked groove with the ever-changing, impossibly quick bass lines and percussion. Love how these are punctuated after each line of the verse with those cymbal crashes followed by jabby, jarring crashes of simultaneous dueling minor and major chords on the guitars. Am I the only one who sings "Taxman!!" to those chords even though no one else is singing? Most importantly, despite this being a George song, Paul performs the guitar solo. According to Geoff Emerick, "George had a great deal of trouble playing the solo – in fact, he couldn’t even do a proper job of it when we slowed the tape down to half speed. After a couple of hours of watching him struggle, both Paul and George Martin started becoming quite frustrated. So George Martin went into the studio and, as diplomatically as possible, announced that he wanted Paul to have a go at the solo instead." ( @OrtonToOlsen alert.) Paul told this story slightly differently, indicating that he went to George with an idea for the solo, bringing in an Indian element, and that George suggested he play it. Despite Emerick's further claim that George was pissed that Paul stole the solo, George stated in an interview in the 1980s that he was pleased to have had Paul play and appreciated that he brought in the Indian feel that George was so intrigued by at the time. However it came about, there's no doubt that the solo, which was done in one or two takes, was fiercely energetic and stunning, so much so that they decided to re-use it by dubbing it (along with its backing track) over George's vocal at the end of the song.
Also there's cowbell.
Mr. krista: "What planet does that guitar solo come from? The 1,2,3,4 is nowhere near the tempo. I’m not sure but I feel like the solos and leads were recorded one way and played backwards. There’s a real Indian quality. Ringo’s drums have never sounded like that before. Just a killer way to open a record. Doesn’t get any better. It rocks so hard. It’s like here, guys, it’s a different thing now. Surpasses the juvenile lyrics. Bass line is straight out Jamerson/Motown. Using his fingers but really heavy, walking all over without stepping on anybody. He and Ringo just right there – bam."
Suggested cover: Junior Parker
one off the composite ranking32. Taxman (Revolver, 1966)
Beatles version: Spotify YouTube
George's "Oh, so this is what happens to grown-ups" song where he, like the rest of us, first gets a paycheck and sees the government bite out of it. Unlike my first job at an ice cream joint paying me $2/hour, George perhaps could have afforded to pay a little more, but I can't blame him for protesting what was in fact a 90-95% combined income tax rate in his bracket at the time. Then he learned that the taxes wouldn't even go away when you die due to the "death tax" ("Now my advice for those who die; declare the pennies on your eyes."). George wasn't the only Beatle upset by this - they all expressed their disgust with this at one time or another. In fact, since John helped George with the lyrics to this song - notably the lines about the current Prime Minister Mr. Wilson and the opposition party leader and future Prime Minister Mr. Heath - I wouldn't be surprised if some of that cynicism crept into the song from John himself.
This song represented a first for George, as it was the first time he was given such a coveted spot on a Beatles record - opening track on side one. This placement as well as the significant time the group put into the song's production indicate to me that this was considered to be one of the record strongest songs...on a record where pretty much every song was insanely good. Until this thread, I had no idea this was a love/hate song; I assumed all reasonable people loved it. I assume that those who hate it are mostly turned off by the lyrics, which would be understandable. Sometimes I find them terribly clever, especially the bridge; sometimes they strike me as irritating or worse as childish or self-serving. It's my ambivalence over the lyrics that leads to this song missing the top 25.
wikkid mentioned after I ranked "She's A Woman" that this was the same song. I should let him point out what he sees as the similarities, but among other things I think the stabby guitars sound similar, and as with the other song, I love that part of this one. I don't much like Paul's husky vocal on "She's A Woman," though, and prefer George's clear but sneering performance here. I love the harmonies that come into the call-and-response-style bridge, building to a frenzy that is heightened by the searing guitar solo that follows. I even love the slightly disturbed-sounding count-in that's not really a count-in, as you can here in the distance the real count-in, all of this harkening back to "I Saw Her Standing There" while simultaneously announcing that this is going to be different.
The highlights for me, though, are in the bass line/drums, as well as that crazy, brilliant guitar solo. Credit for almost all of those items goes to Paul. First, he and Ringo establish a wicked groove with the ever-changing, impossibly quick bass lines and percussion. Love how these are punctuated after each line of the verse with those cymbal crashes followed by jabby, jarring crashes of simultaneous dueling minor and major chords on the guitars. Am I the only one who sings "Taxman!!" to those chords even though no one else is singing? Most importantly, despite this being a George song, Paul performs the guitar solo. According to Geoff Emerick, "George had a great deal of trouble playing the solo – in fact, he couldn’t even do a proper job of it when we slowed the tape down to half speed. After a couple of hours of watching him struggle, both Paul and George Martin started becoming quite frustrated. So George Martin went into the studio and, as diplomatically as possible, announced that he wanted Paul to have a go at the solo instead." ( @OrtonToOlsen alert.) Paul told this story slightly differently, indicating that he went to George with an idea for the solo, bringing in an Indian element, and that George suggested he play it. Despite Emerick's further claim that George was pissed that Paul stole the solo, George stated in an interview in the 1980s that he was pleased to have had Paul play and appreciated that he brought in the Indian feel that George was so intrigued by at the time. However it came about, there's no doubt that the solo, which was done in one or two takes, was fiercely energetic and stunning, so much so that they decided to re-use it by dubbing it (along with its backing track) over George's vocal at the end of the song.
Also there's cowbell.
Mr. krista: "What planet does that guitar solo come from? The 1,2,3,4 is nowhere near the tempo. I’m not sure but I feel like the solos and leads were recorded one way and played backwards. There’s a real Indian quality. Ringo’s drums have never sounded like that before. Just a killer way to open a record. Doesn’t get any better. It rocks so hard. It’s like here, guys, it’s a different thing now. Surpasses the juvenile lyrics. Bass line is straight out Jamerson/Motown. Using his fingers but really heavy, walking all over without stepping on anybody. He and Ringo just right there – bam."
Suggested cover: Junior Parker
Yeah, I really love those lyrics in the bridge, especially culminating in that bolded line.Great write up. Love this song. Everything about it. Never knew about Paul doing the guitar solo until this thread - somebody (krista?) referenced it earlier in the thread. It's easy for wacky US liberals (not classic European liberals) like Mrs APK to dislike the greedy message that appears at first glance to be the main thrust of the song, but this song isn't just about Steve Forbes style tax "reform" --- this is about government led oppression and overreach.
If you drive a car, I'll tax the street,
If you try to sit, I'll tax your seat.
If you get too cold I'll tax the heat,
If you take a walk, I'll tax your feet.
Nothing is safe from pre-Thatcher UK government. Not even a pair of feet. Love it.
My favorite Taxman cover was always Start! by The Jam32. Taxman (Revolver, 1966)
Beatles version: Spotify YouTube
George's "Oh, so this is what happens to grown-ups" song where he, like the rest of us, first gets a paycheck and sees the government bite out of it. Unlike my first job at an ice cream joint paying me $2/hour, George perhaps could have afforded to pay a little more, but I can't blame him for protesting what was in fact a 90-95% combined income tax rate in his bracket at the time. Then he learned that the taxes wouldn't even go away when you die due to the "death tax" ("Now my advice for those who die; declare the pennies on your eyes."). George wasn't the only Beatle upset by this - they all expressed their disgust with this at one time or another. In fact, since John helped George with the lyrics to this song - notably the lines about the current Prime Minister Mr. Wilson and the opposition party leader and future Prime Minister Mr. Heath - I wouldn't be surprised if some of that cynicism crept into the song from John himself.
This song represented a first for George, as it was the first time he was given such a coveted spot on a Beatles record - opening track on side one. This placement as well as the significant time the group put into the song's production indicate to me that this was considered to be one of the record strongest songs...on a record where pretty much every song was insanely good. Until this thread, I had no idea this was a love/hate song; I assumed all reasonable people loved it. I assume that those who hate it are mostly turned off by the lyrics, which would be understandable. Sometimes I find them terribly clever, especially the bridge; sometimes they strike me as irritating or worse as childish or self-serving. It's my ambivalence over the lyrics that leads to this song missing the top 25.
wikkid mentioned after I ranked "She's A Woman" that this was the same song. I should let him point out what he sees as the similarities, but among other things I think the stabby guitars sound similar, and as with the other song, I love that part of this one. I don't much like Paul's husky vocal on "She's A Woman," though, and prefer George's clear but sneering performance here. I love the harmonies that come into the call-and-response-style bridge, building to a frenzy that is heightened by the searing guitar solo that follows. I even love the slightly disturbed-sounding count-in that's not really a count-in, as you can here in the distance the real count-in, all of this harkening back to "I Saw Her Standing There" while simultaneously announcing that this is going to be different.
The highlights for me, though, are in the bass line/drums, as well as that crazy, brilliant guitar solo. Credit for almost all of those items goes to Paul. First, he and Ringo establish a wicked groove with the ever-changing, impossibly quick bass lines and percussion. Love how these are punctuated after each line of the verse with those cymbal crashes followed by jabby, jarring crashes of simultaneous dueling minor and major chords on the guitars. Am I the only one who sings "Taxman!!" to those chords even though no one else is singing? Most importantly, despite this being a George song, Paul performs the guitar solo. According to Geoff Emerick, "George had a great deal of trouble playing the solo – in fact, he couldn’t even do a proper job of it when we slowed the tape down to half speed. After a couple of hours of watching him struggle, both Paul and George Martin started becoming quite frustrated. So George Martin went into the studio and, as diplomatically as possible, announced that he wanted Paul to have a go at the solo instead." ( @OrtonToOlsen alert.) Paul told this story slightly differently, indicating that he went to George with an idea for the solo, bringing in an Indian element, and that George suggested he play it. Despite Emerick's further claim that George was pissed that Paul stole the solo, George stated in an interview in the 1980s that he was pleased to have had Paul play and appreciated that he brought in the Indian feel that George was so intrigued by at the time. However it came about, there's no doubt that the solo, which was done in one or two takes, was fiercely energetic and stunning, so much so that they decided to re-use it by dubbing it (along with its backing track) over George's vocal at the end of the song.
Also there's cowbell.
Mr. krista: "What planet does that guitar solo come from? The 1,2,3,4 is nowhere near the tempo. I’m not sure but I feel like the solos and leads were recorded one way and played backwards. There’s a real Indian quality. Ringo’s drums have never sounded like that before. Just a killer way to open a record. Doesn’t get any better. It rocks so hard. It’s like here, guys, it’s a different thing now. Surpasses the juvenile lyrics. Bass line is straight out Jamerson/Motown. Using his fingers but really heavy, walking all over without stepping on anybody. He and Ringo just right there – bam."
Suggested cover: Junior Parker
5th song to be in the 30's on Krista's list and Composite.Apologies to Shaft for not getting this quite high enough!
31. Hey Bulldog (Yellow Submarine, 1969)
Beatles version: Spotify YouTube
BASS LINE! That's what it's all about for me. Mr. krista (bass player) describes it much better than I could, below.
I've kept this one within shouting distance of "Taxman" through my many re-orderings of the rankings. I see them similarly in that they rock your face off and have great bass lines, but some questionable lyric choices. I detail below some of the lyrics I love, but just the overall "Hey Bulldog" part and the barking at the end turn me off a bit. Obviously, not much, since this still lands in the upper echelon of my rankings.
Just before the group's trip to India, a film crew came to the studio to record a promotional video during which they were to act as if they were recording "Lady Madonna." But John asserted that they should film the recording of his new song, "Hey Bullfrog," instead. That's not a typo - the song was originally titled "Hey Bullfrog" until Paul's barking inspired the title change. The video was then released with the overlay of "Lady Madonna" on sound while the footage is actually showing the recording of "Hey Bulldog," but the fans didn't seem to notice. Years later, Neil Aspinall edited the video with "Hey Bulldog" being properly played instead; join the cheesy fun of his finished product.
Geoff Emerick described the vibe in the studio for the recording of this song to be great, as "all four Beatles were in an exceptionally good mood." The atmosphere was relaxed and fun-loving, which I think shows in the end result of the song itself, especially all the clowning around in the coda. It's one of the last times that they all worked together seemingly joyously, and it was the last session at which neither Yoko nor Magic Alex attended, which undoubtedly contributed to the positive spirits.
In addition to the bass, other highlights of this song for me are the screaming guitar solo and John's vocal, especially the escalating, gritty urgency of the "You can talk to me" repeat. I also love some of the lyrics, and yes, I'm accusing the lyrics to a song called "Hey Bulldog" of being good. Specifically, I love these lines in the verses:
(Verse one): Some kind of happiness is
Measured out in miles
(Verse two): Some kind of innocence is
Measured out in years
(Verse three): Some kind of solitude is
Measured out in you
Each of those lines is terrific on its own, but combined with each other in a not-quite-repetitious pattern they're brilliant.
Mostly, I just love this song because it rocks in every way. Every Beatle was at the top of his game for this one.
Mr. krista: "####! Listen to the bass line, though. Paul McCartney’s a mother####er of a bass player, man. During the verses, the bass line walks all over the place and sounds super busy, but he’s still right there building a pocket with Ringo. But then during the chorus he hits that riff right on time with everybody else. No longer playing that contrapuntal thing but just digs in, just a monster. What a great rock song."
Suggested cover: I post this more for the introduction to the playing of the song, rather than the cover itself. It brought something wet I can't quite recognize to my eyes. Dave Grohl and Jeff Lynne
Admittedly, when I chose this for my guess at Krista's #1, I was extrapolating my own love for this song. It's in my top 5. But I may be alone in that. It's just so darn...infectious. The groove is stellar. The lyrics may be nonsensical, but not all of them, as Krista astutely pointed out, and this is The Beatles we're talking about. When the family plays Beatles: Rock Band, I always take guitar on this one so I can live vicariously through the bassline. So good.Apologies to Shaft for not getting this quite high enough!
31. Hey Bulldog (Yellow Submarine, 1969)
Beatles version: Spotify YouTube
BASS LINE! That's what it's all about for me. Mr. krista (bass player) describes it much better than I could, below.
I've kept this one within shouting distance of "Taxman" through my many re-orderings of the rankings. I see them similarly in that they rock your face off and have great bass lines, but some questionable lyric choices. I detail below some of the lyrics I love, but just the overall "Hey Bulldog" part and the barking at the end turn me off a bit. Obviously, not much, since this still lands in the upper echelon of my rankings.
Just before the group's trip to India, a film crew came to the studio to record a promotional video during which they were to act as if they were recording "Lady Madonna." But John asserted that they should film the recording of his new song, "Hey Bullfrog," instead. That's not a typo - the song was originally titled "Hey Bullfrog" until Paul's barking inspired the title change. The video was then released with the overlay of "Lady Madonna" on sound while the footage is actually showing the recording of "Hey Bulldog," but the fans didn't seem to notice. Years later, Neil Aspinall edited the video with "Hey Bulldog" being properly played instead; join the cheesy fun of his finished product.
Geoff Emerick described the vibe in the studio for the recording of this song to be great, as "all four Beatles were in an exceptionally good mood." The atmosphere was relaxed and fun-loving, which I think shows in the end result of the song itself, especially all the clowning around in the coda. It's one of the last times that they all worked together seemingly joyously, and it was the last session at which neither Yoko nor Magic Alex attended, which undoubtedly contributed to the positive spirits.
In addition to the bass, other highlights of this song for me are the screaming guitar solo and John's vocal, especially the escalating, gritty urgency of the "You can talk to me" repeat. I also love some of the lyrics, and yes, I'm accusing the lyrics to a song called "Hey Bulldog" of being good. Specifically, I love these lines in the verses:
(Verse one): Some kind of happiness is
Measured out in miles
(Verse two): Some kind of innocence is
Measured out in years
(Verse three): Some kind of solitude is
Measured out in you
Each of those lines is terrific on its own, but combined with each other in a not-quite-repetitious pattern they're brilliant.
Mostly, I just love this song because it rocks in every way. Every Beatle was at the top of his game for this one.
Mr. krista: "####! Listen to the bass line, though. Paul McCartney’s a mother####er of a bass player, man. During the verses, the bass line walks all over the place and sounds super busy, but he’s still right there building a pocket with Ringo. But then during the chorus he hits that riff right on time with everybody else. No longer playing that contrapuntal thing but just digs in, just a monster. What a great rock song."
Suggested cover: I post this more for the introduction to the playing of the song, rather than the cover itself. It brought something wet I can't quite recognize to my eyes. Dave Grohl and Jeff Lynne
Have you ever gone a day on this board without posting a reference to Todd Rundgren?since Please Please Me was our last song that was ranked - here is a tribute to this song and "I Want To Hold Your Hand".
I Just Want To Touch You
Rock's list took about 5 PM's. It would take about 100 intern hours to recreate it.