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[Dynasty] 2020 NFL Draft Class (9 Viewers)
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Zyphros
Footballguy
Put in a top10 for WR's and RB's. I generally don't eval QB's or TE's and look elsewhere for those positions.
kittenmittens
Footballguy
Is that a major compliment to Waddle or an insult to Jeudy?
I really love both of those for different reasons.
Zyphros
Footballguy
I don’t really see the undisputed #1 overall easy hype surrounding Jeudy. He’s good but there have been (and are) better WR prospects.
I like Jeudy enough but Waddle looks like the guy I’ve been hearing people hype Jeudy as.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Since when was there undisputed hype of that? I always thought one of Swift, Taylor, Etienne held that distinction. Followed by one of Jeudy, Lamb, and Dobbins.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I believe Waddle is OK, but get real people. Ja'marr Chase is better than Waddle.
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MAC_32
Footballguy
Zyphros
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ZWK
Footballguy
Yep. Here are the 2013-2019 RB classes, this spreadsheet tab has the 2006-2019 WR classes, TEs here, QB production here through 2019 and here through 2020. Unfortunately, other than those QB production numbers, it's harder to compare the current class to previous classes until later in the offseason because we're still missing some numbers that are important parts of my ratings formulas (size, athleticism, some advanced stats).
Interseptopus
Footballguy
JohnnyU
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JohnnyU
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Interseptopus
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Gandalf
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MAC_32
Footballguy
MAC_32
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Gandalf
Footballguy
Oh so where would you rank Jeudy in dynasty rookie drafts? I know landing spot will change a lot
MAC_32
Footballguy
I havent thought about cross over rankings yet, but him vs. Lamb is razor thin and it will be real hard to vault either of them over the top 4 rb.
So many guys that I can't even start putting them in any order. I really like this Brandon Aiyuk guy the more I watch him. Plus he sounds like he's a hard worker which if you have talent, that is what separates you from the rest in my mind. He did skip the bowl game but that seems to be the new thing so I won't hold that against him.
Corey Coleman was one of them guys that fooled a lot of people. He never put in the work required to survive in the NFL and tried to live off his athletic ability.
Corey Coleman was one of them guys that fooled a lot of people. He never put in the work required to survive in the NFL and tried to live off his athletic ability.
I think Burrow makes him better more so than other way. I would think Jefferson is probably around WR8-10ish. Burrow qb1. Probably both go around 15ish.
kittenmittens
Footballguy
Jeudy is elite. The only thing he doesn't have is size. He is the complete package.
Waddle is really good too but it's really hard to be better than Jeudy. Jeudy has the highest floor and the highest ceiling of any of the WR prospects, IMO. He is the clear number 1 and is probably going to be a top 10 NFL pick. The speed at which Jeudy can rotate his hips on routes is just insane. He oozes raw route running talent in his quickness and start/stop ability. He also projects to show elite speed at the combine which threatens defenders even more. He has YAC ability too and shows great moves in space. The combination of these elite traits is what makes him so special. I hope he falls. I'll take him everywhere.
Waddle is really good too but it's really hard to be better than Jeudy. Jeudy has the highest floor and the highest ceiling of any of the WR prospects, IMO. He is the clear number 1 and is probably going to be a top 10 NFL pick. The speed at which Jeudy can rotate his hips on routes is just insane. He oozes raw route running talent in his quickness and start/stop ability. He also projects to show elite speed at the combine which threatens defenders even more. He has YAC ability too and shows great moves in space. The combination of these elite traits is what makes him so special. I hope he falls. I'll take him everywhere.
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Zyphros
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I don't disagree with a lot of what you said here, other than his floor. He has a much lower floor than a guy like Shenault for example. Thickly built and good route runner, along with the quickness and speed that Jeudy has, with a body that is built to take the beating of football. Also Jeudy's legs just look so paper thin, how many elite WR's can you name that have chicken legs? Both players are used very differently and system will matter for them to see if they can get the ball in more creative ways or not, but I see better floors with a few WR's. Doesn't mean I'll rank them ahead of Jeudy though. Playing safe isn't my style most of the time.
I don't think he's an elite route runner either. Just for comparisons sake, you take a look at a guy like Denzel Mims, you hardly see him run a half baked route. Jeudy does. Most of the time that's due to the play call being run or on the opposite side of the field and they're generally used for blocking but Mims is impressive because he actually looks like he's putting in effort ALL the time, where Jeudy is half the time. I'm very cautious when it comes to Jeudy if you can't tell. Body type scares me and I just hate how we have to talk about 3 Bama WR's when, IMO, the best one isn't even draft eligible.
kittenmittens
Footballguy
I agree with the size concern, that's my biggest worry.. that he will break. He has held up well so far though. If this were a different Era and you were still allowed to blast WRs when they are making catches I would be more concerned about it. I think the primary reason the NFL is trending away from big body WRs is that the injury concern with the smaller guys going over the middle and taking big hits otherwise is a lot less.
I don't think Shenault has a particularly high floor, but he does have a better body for holding up to punishment. I love his ceiling though.
I also agree that Jeudy has room to improve as a route runner. He could get more nuanced and more refined for sure, and if he does, look out because those physical gifts are already enough to get good separation.
He other thing that concerns me a bit is that he isn't as big of a beast high pointing the ball as some other prospects. He does have pretty good hands getting off of press coverage for a skinny framed guy like he is.
I like Waddle a lot too but I think Jeudy is better still.
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Faust
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JohnnyU
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Interseptopus
Footballguy
FWIW, 3 of the better performing rookie WRs this year were bigger bodied WRs (AJB, Decalf, Deebo). I am not familiar with McLaurins body type. but he certainly doesn't seem like a lanky wr.
CeeDee Lamb is smaller than Jeudy...
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Lamb and Jeudy are both a bit non-ideal in terms of body type but where Jeudy is clearly skinny Lamb looks kind of thin but much more muscular to me. I haven’t looked a lot at who is stronger in practical terms (coming off of jams etc) but I don’t look at Lamb and worry he doesn’t have an NFL body. Jeudy is a little tougher to figure. I worry less about Jeudy breaking bc he moves so well in the open field I don’t think he’ll take brutal hits consistently. I do worry a bit about his playing strength though. If he succeeds it’ll be on a technician level imo and that’s where I really like him. I prefer Lamb bc of point of catch skills and he’s just nasty.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
kittenmittens
Footballguy
McLaurin is thick enough as well, but I don't think this really matters when discussing Jeudy. They all have attributes that Jeudy doesn't, and Jeudy has attributes that those WRs don't. They are all really good players in different ways.
I think what's so strange about this class is that we have really elite prospects all over the place, but almost none of them are the typical prototype guy for their position. They make up for the lack of prototypical whatever they are lacking with other skills and attributes, but it seems more pronounced and diverse than your normal draft class. This is going to be fun and I'm looking forward to debating all of these players with the football minds on here. It's finally the offseason!
Interseptopus
Footballguy
I agree. A lot to like with these wrs right now, however I have not gone too far deep to figure out who I am ruling out. Really excited about the RBs more than the WRs right now
Country Boy
Footballguy
He reminds me a lot of Amari Cooper in relation to how he is so smooth running his routes. And to me, that plays regardless of system. I will be hard pressed to think he won't be the top WR in the class.
Zyphros
Footballguy
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