Statorama
gangster
Thank God for the bubble. My Rickey Henderson rookie helped pay for a skydiving excursion back in the 90s.
Related: I likely have more Barry Larkin cards than the entire Larkin family.
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Related: I likely have more Barry Larkin cards than the entire Larkin family.
Ignoratio Elenchi
Footballguy
I stopped collecting cards in like 1995 and I honestly have no idea what you guys are talking about with all this modern collecting, but out of curiosity I watched the video linked here. Let me know if I'm on the right track here - are you telling me that "breaking" is where you pay someone a ####load of money for a sealed pack/box/whatever of baseball cards, and they record a video of themselves opening it so you can see what you got? If so that's even dumber than I was imagining.jvdesigns2002 said:
GoBirds
Footballguy
Seriously, for old times sake I looked on Amazon for a box I could buy to go through with my young sons, work on a set etc and it seems there are no good options out there. Where are the Topps and Upper Decks?
jvdesigns2002
Footballguy
Yes and No. There are breaks called personal breaks--where you buy your own pack/box/case of cards from a breaker--and they will literally open your box live on camera for you. You have to remember--the number of sports cards stores now versus how many there were in the big crash in the 90's is far fewer. Basically before the boom started a few years back---mainly the stores/dealers that survived were the ones that also had break rooms so that they could acquire customers from areas that don't have local card shops and shows.
However--the vast majority of breaks are not personal breaks--they are what are known as group breaks. The fact of the matter is that the average box/pack/case is far more expensive today than it was back then. Entry level stuff is like $200/box and up right now--and most cases have 6,10, 12 boxes. So what breakers do--is this. They generally will break one case at a time--let's say a 10 box case for a $200/box item--which means they are going to open $2000 worth of product. For the sake of this example--let's say it's an NBA basketball product. Instead of finding one buyer to spend $2000--what they do is they can either do 30 spots--each of which represents a random team and sell those for approximately $70/spot, or they could do random divisions (there are 6 divisions in the NBA) and sell those for roughly $340 per random division, or they could look at the checklist for the product and assign a value to each team based on how good the checklist looks for that team (the more high dollar players on a team--the more expensive that team is to buy). This last type of group break is called a "PYT" break for "pick your team". The reason they do this is because a lot of collectors mainly collect players from the team they root for. A lot of collectors would rather buy a single team and own all of their cards over a 10 box case--versus only buying a single box to where they are not guaranteed to get any players from the team that they collect. You have to remember--in todays world--some boxes are literally a single pack that contains 10-12 cards.
I hope that explains things a bit better.
Major
Footballguy
That's my understanding. Something like this but with the way these guys handle the cards, I'd never trust them with my money: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55vszqSUeso
Makes more sense when you factor in that most non FBGs can't afford a sealed box of 1986 Fleer Basketball or other high priced options. I wouldn't buy a random wax pack with all the fleeced/resealed packs out there.
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Dungeon Master
Footballguy
It's more like paying in for a random portion of a box, either by team or by last name, for a shot at big money cards without paying for the entire box. What you're describing happens too, but its' dumb.
jvdesigns2002
Footballguy
There are many reasons why people do personal breaks. If they are in the hobby as more of a gambler than they are a true collector--having their box ripped open live with hundreds of people watching on YouTube or facebook gives them immediate opportunity to sell their cards to potential buyers. Most reputable breakers do handle the cards very well and if you get something valuable--they will properly put it in the proper type of card holder to protect it the best. Also--if you hit something really big--some breakers offer services to where they send it in directly to be graded for you. I like ripping my own boxes--but there are absolutely many reasons why some people want theirs opened live.
Ignoratio Elenchi
Footballguy
Right, so that's not really a card hobby, that's just gambling. Especially if the aim is to literally sell it immediately, it's a pretty degenerate form of gambling. Sounds like the guy who stands at the convenience store counter scratching off the tickets he just bought so he can cash them in and buy more scratch off tickets.
I would definitely handle my cards well and put them in the proper type of holder to protect them. Why would I take a chance that someone else will probably do that? That's not a reason to have someone else break the box open, if anything it's literally a reason not to have someone else do it.
Again, that's also something I can do, involving someone else in that process doesn't seem like a compelling reason. If someone else opens my pack and sends in the card to be graded and it comes back as anything less than perfect, can I sue them?
The whole thing seems to boil down to gambling/adrenaline porn. Which is fine, if that's what people are into. Just seems really dumb to me, and basically an entirely different hobby altogether from card collecting.
shuke
Black Ice Skeptic
Topps 2020 heritage. I think it's the cheapest and the cards are pretty cool. Some of us are collecting, there is a thread in the baseball forum.
If you're expecting to build a set from $1 packs or something, then just forget about it.
jvdesigns2002
Footballguy
You realize that I'm not disagreeing with you--I'm just merely providing information from the perspective from somebody thats in the hobby, right?
comfortably numb
Footballguy
Lol.
I was gonna say IE seemed pretty argumentative to you for just providing info.
Thanks for the info. I agree with IE, seems kinda dumb but for the reasons you gave i understand why some of the few would do it.
Ignoratio Elenchi
Footballguy
Yeah, I'm not really disagreeing either, sorry if it came off that way. I'm just kinda shocked that that's what the hobby has become. Seems crazy to me people would pay for that.
comfortably numb
Footballguy
3 years ago I tried getting my 7/10 year old son and daughter into this.
They caught on quick and were enjoying it. I would tell them to buy a pack or 2 whenever they go to Target with mom. Told them to ask their friends if they have any to trade with them (I got the..."now way, I'm not a loser" look)
They lost interest in 3 weeks. We had a 3rd of the series 1 topps something set...and I think I spent $450?
LOL
comfortably numb
Footballguy
box breaks in general seem like a pretty neat idea the more i think about it (ETA: I do love to gamble FWIW) . It could have caught on big in the late 80s early 90s with the internet.
When I would go to card shows or flea markets I enjoyed the raffle envelopes some would do.
$1 and you get 10 cards.
Some commons, some stars, and they would pimp some big name rookies to pull.
They may have been lying but was always fun
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GoBirds
Footballguy
I saw football had some Score and Donruss boxes on Amazon for less that $50, anything you guys recommend for a good balance of fun with the kids but some potential value over time if they get into it and hang onto?
jvdesigns2002
Footballguy
People that are addicted to breaks are basically addicted to the adrenaline rush that comes from opening packs. Sure--there is an addictive gambling aspect to it (especially with the prices of todays packs and boxes)-- but I think that everybody that has collected has loved the feeling of getting a big dollar card out of a pack. It's no different than people that go to flee markets and garage sales looking for holy grail items. If they just kept accumulating the stuff they bought--they would be hoarders. If they sell what they buy week to week--the "chase" of it becomes an adrenaline rush. I think the thing to remember is that collecting means different things to different people. Some people collect cards as an investment--they literally grade every nice card they have, they donate or sell off their common or base cards as those don't have the same investment potential. Some people are set builders. I integrate this into some of my collecting because I enjoy the process of organizing and working to build an entire set. Some people collect players from teams that they are fans of. Some are more the gambling type that enjoy the chase of ripping packs. Keep in mind that the breakers and these gambling types of collectors are the ones that are really driving the market for the other types of collectors.
The ones that collect for an investment can find good deals from the gambling types--because the gambling types need to find ways to finance their habit. The set builders love breakers because they are breaking cases of material every day--and many of those cards find their way onto the markets through the gambler types. If you want to build a set--it's always nice to do try doing it in the first few weeks that a product comes out ad that product will be all over the market.
My only point is--it's not anybodies place to judge how or why others collect. Just collect in a way that makes you happy.
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shuke
Black Ice Skeptic
Forget value. That's not what this should be about. Holding the cards, looking at stats, maybe hunting for an insert because it's cool.
My kids lost interest in the 2020 heritage set halfway through us opening the first box. It's just not a thing they've grown up with. I'll probably still work on finishing the set once prices on individual cards/lots come down.
jvdesigns2002
Footballguy
Heritage is a fun set. Love the vintage styling. It'd be a cool set to put together that will have some challenges. I believe that there are short printed high number cards. If you plan on trying to finish the set--you might want to consider joining a couple of the facebook groups for some of the bigger breakers. The Facebook group for Layton Sportscards is great for finding cards to complete sets. They have lots of members--and you can literally post that you are working on completing your set and just list the card numbers that you are looking for. If they are base cards--I wouldn't be surprised if you got responses to where people would literally give you some cards for free and just have you cover shipping.
Courtjester
The Town Drunk
Finally Score is out. Just came from a shop--$199.00 a box was a little high right now as I was just picking up $150 worth of beer/wine. I bought some packs and can't wait to open.
The Bronco Score box breaks are already going crazy--the first auction I saw on Ebay was already was over $71.00 for a break tonight and that still has four hours. I may have to jump in a half case or something.
First impression--yep, they look like Score. You can always pick Score cards out of a lineup--Rookies are not in pro uni's which is to be expected I guess. May not invest too much money in this product, but feels good to open wax.
The Bronco Score box breaks are already going crazy--the first auction I saw on Ebay was already was over $71.00 for a break tonight and that still has four hours. I may have to jump in a half case or something.
First impression--yep, they look like Score. You can always pick Score cards out of a lineup--Rookies are not in pro uni's which is to be expected I guess. May not invest too much money in this product, but feels good to open wax.
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Monty Burns
Footballguy
Mrs. Rannous
Footballguy
We saw that on the news. We had some fruity words and phrases for that. The pictures of the stuff just sitting in the attic were like seeing Howard Carter find King Tut's tomb.
Warrior
Footballguy
Courtjester
The Town Drunk
That collection was amazing. If there wasn't PSA grades on some of it, I wouldn't have believed they were legit.
Courtjester
The Town Drunk
I have bought into two Score breaks with the Broncos so far.
The first beak was decent--one Bronco auto and all the RCs I wanted. Professional breaker--gloves, Multiple camera angles. The second was entertaining--I got duplicates on the RC's, but this breaker was new at his craft. He literally showed and read out every BASE card. Now I guess that is refreshing that he was so excited about a .02 card, but it took two hours to do two boxes. (that is 800 cards) He spilled his beer all over at one point. I give him an A for effort because he had a bunch of little side games going where he was giving away free mem/auto cards throughout the break.
I have bought into an UD Av's Artifacts break this week and I have a Nuggets 2018-19 Certified break coming later (just waiting to fill teams)
I may do one more Score break because I want another shot at a Jeudy auto, but it is time to save up for Elite now because it is going to be expensive
The first beak was decent--one Bronco auto and all the RCs I wanted. Professional breaker--gloves, Multiple camera angles. The second was entertaining--I got duplicates on the RC's, but this breaker was new at his craft. He literally showed and read out every BASE card. Now I guess that is refreshing that he was so excited about a .02 card, but it took two hours to do two boxes. (that is 800 cards) He spilled his beer all over at one point. I give him an A for effort because he had a bunch of little side games going where he was giving away free mem/auto cards throughout the break.
I have bought into an UD Av's Artifacts break this week and I have a Nuggets 2018-19 Certified break coming later (just waiting to fill teams)
I may do one more Score break because I want another shot at a Jeudy auto, but it is time to save up for Elite now because it is going to be expensive
Courtjester
The Town Drunk
I have really had enough of the pricing on the new football product. Score was a shock to see so high. Legacy was a little high, but at least you felt like you got a ton of cards in the box. Now we have Chronicles out and it is $45.00 a pack at my local shop. You get eight cards per pack of rookies still in their college uniforms and the odds of pulling something is not great and if you do get one of the advertised hits, you are probably getting some 6th round corner back.
I look forward to Elite because it has the rookies in their NFL uniforms, but I won't be surprised to see that at plus $60--maybe higher a pack and that is just a price point I won't pay.
Let's be honest, this is not the greatest rookie class so these prices just aren't warranted in my opinion. I doubt there is much long-term investment potential in some of this product especially if we have CV impacted season.
I look forward to Elite because it has the rookies in their NFL uniforms, but I won't be surprised to see that at plus $60--maybe higher a pack and that is just a price point I won't pay.
Let's be honest, this is not the greatest rookie class so these prices just aren't warranted in my opinion. I doubt there is much long-term investment potential in some of this product especially if we have CV impacted season.
jvdesigns2002
Footballguy
Yeah--I've kinda stayed away from football this season for the most part. There was no actual draft day where the drafted players wear the NFL uniforms of the teams that drafted them--so this is why you are seeing a lot of college uni's in NFL products. Unfortunately--the sportscard market is booming and prices just keep going up. I keep waiting on them to drop and it just does the opposite. I had some panini points and i was luckily able to score some of the select footbal Cosmic packs. Each pack contains 3 cards--and each pack is literally commanding 200-250 bucks. I'm planning on keeping mine sealed. It's just insanity.
Hankmoody
Footballguy
I collected/shuffled/sold Magic: The Gathering cards back in the early days. 1994 and 1995. Paid for my return to college for final 50 credit hours plus cost of living while doing it. I do wish I had the foresight to wait to get out though, I had a primo collection. 7 Black Lotus, 23 total moxes, and 11 Time Walks are the ones I vividly recall but I had them all.
I bought a few items from the first auction and met with husband and wife who are handling the auction. Nice people, they own a small card store in the middle of Lancaster, these auctions are going to make their year and next few years. They said the next auction is week of 26th and will have even more autographed cards.
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Gawain
Footballguy
Jeez, that's a mid 6 figures collection right now over 41 cards. I'm still regretting misplacing my dual lands in 2004.
comfortably numb
Footballguy
Been buying/selling again since late last year.
Mainly older stuff.
Just hauled 250k cards...most in my accord
Also bought and sold/selling 87 topps wax cases and vending cases. Been fun.
Currently sorting/listing through so many cards from 60s-80s
Mainly older stuff.
Just hauled 250k cards...most in my accord
Also bought and sold/selling 87 topps wax cases and vending cases. Been fun.
Currently sorting/listing through so many cards from 60s-80s
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
Used to be big into collecting but can’t do it anymore with the widespread corruption in the graded card market.
FairWarning
Footballguy
Glad I don't deal with graded much. Can't wait for the flood of paypal chargebacks from the speculators when the season starts this week.
Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
Same here. I'll never put another dime into cards. I was more into figures while younger but stil swas pretty heavy into cards. All the grading and printing of fakes took all took away any shot of me ever entertaining collecting again.
I have a boatload of old NBA starting lineups in original packages stored away for many years now. I have the complete sets of 1988-1992. Some of which are pretty rare. Maybe one day I'll get a display for them. I have quite a few duplicates of every Jordan starting lineup but they really don't fetch a lot because they were produced the most. This one has always been my favorite starting lineup: https://startinglineupfigures.com/wordpress/shared/content/uploads/2014/10/Jordan-Thomas-slu-one-on.jpg
Not sure if it's because I loved Jordan or how much I use to hate Isiah Thomas.
. I'd probably still buy Jordan if there were any figures in boxes I found interesting/didn't own.
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fruity pebbles
Footballguy
Greed ruins everything I guess. Vintage cards have distinct markers that make them unique, print marks etc. Thousands of high priced cards have been outed as trimmed, recolored, pressed etc. that are currently in graded card holders, mainly PSA. Before and after pics of a card in a PSA 5 holder and the after in a 9 holder. I’m sure the outed cards are just the tip of the iceberg, probably less than 10% of the cards that have actually been worked on. Hell, the card that’s the face of the hobby is a trim job and in a PSA 8 holder. And that’s before we even get into the rampant shill bidding and fake accounts in the major auction houses. Anecdotal evidence I know but I started collecting back in the 70s. I went to all the big auctions, card shows etc. I don’t remember ever seeing super high grade cards from the 50s and even 60s, let alone prewar. Now there are tons of high grade vintage cards that look like they just came out of the pack. New ones coming out every day. Where did all these cards come from?
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Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
FairWarning
Footballguy
simsarge
Footballguy
Sports Card Related question. I want to get a hold of a set of the original Purple People Eaters. Strictly for myself as a cool thing to have. I don't have the $ to lay down for some Uber collector's minty mint or wear withal to know if it is or isn't fake. How do I go about it?
And Not sports card related, I was showing my son these dopey Odd Rods cards I collected when I was like 14. And I came across this.
Has anyone ever seen something like that for sports cards?
And Not sports card related, I was showing my son these dopey Odd Rods cards I collected when I was like 14. And I came across this.
Has anyone ever seen something like that for sports cards?
Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
Had no idea this type stuff was going on. Not shocking just not anything I thought about because card collecting was just in rearview mirror. In the PSA5-PSA9 example, what is really out there that could prevent this from just running rampant?? Like what'd prevent me getting a PSA5 grade, selling it for pennies (as result of low grade). Large company/individual collector buys, takes out of the graded case....sends in and gets PSA9-10 grade and makes a bit of money from that.
Grading always just felt like a way to milk more money out of a dying hobby. Seems like it'd be quite easy giving preferential treatment/grades from large/high dollar customers.
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fruity pebbles
Footballguy
A lot of mid grade cards bought, altered, resubmitted and then resold at a higher grade. Not sure how to prevent it but grading gave everyone a false sense of security. I believe the FBI is now investigating. Guess we should have all known better when the PSA 8 Wagner, the face of the hobby is by all accounts altered. Good thread on itCraig_MiamiFL said:
Altered cards
Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
All I can say is WOW after just reading a couple of those articles.
Grading always rubbed me the wrong way. The model always felt pretty scummy. It's very very easy to see trimming/etc.. running rampant. Hell I thought about it as a kid with less than perfect cards. I remember over the years going on ebay to see these cards (ungraded) once priced on Beckett for $50-100+.....yet seeing them on ebay for pennies years later. I always thought it was due to reprints running rampant. I knew grading existed at the time but really hadn't looked into much detail with it.
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T206 Wagner? '52 Mantle?
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
FairWarning
Footballguy
You would have no problem finding the Vikings on ebay or http://comc.com at a fair price, probably $1-2 each tops.simsarge said:
I vaguely remember the Odd Rods, those are all over the board pricewise. I don't know much about the nonsport market.
On another topic, it amazes me on how many vintage packs are being opened on certain youtube channels. There can't be a huge inventory of packs before the 70s. Maybe I am wrong. It is fun to watch but it makes me realize how much of a gamble it is because of getting all non stars and badly centered cards. In hindsight, I wish I stocked up more on unopened boxes 25 years ago.
shuke
Black Ice Skeptic
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