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***Official Joe Biden Campaign Thread (1 Viewer)

AAABatteries said:
Are folks not familiar with the term strategy?  I know some desperately want to make this in to something but they'd be crazy to think this isn't a strategic move.  I mean seriously - everything these guys do is choreographed to win.  It's crazy to think otherwise.
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Continually taking your best player off the field during critical moments of the game is good strategy? Listen to yourself here. 

 
Widbil83 said:
Continually taking your best player off the field during critical moments of the game is good strategy? Listen to yourself here. 
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Hold up a second.  Let's consider two scenarios.

1. Biden is suffering mentally.  In this case, yes, "keeping him off the field" is good strategy, is it not?

2. Biden is not suffering mentally.  The strategy seems to be working so far, if polls are to be believed.

 
Saturdays are critical moments in the game now?  Are people watching the news on Saturdays?  Especially with college football going now...beautiful fall weather...?

Other than if there was a good game on...my television won't be on today until later tonight and that is only if we watch a movie rather than another night around the fire pit.

 
Why doesn't Biden release his list of potential SCOTUS nominees?  Trump did it early in the 2016 campaign. The issue of SCOTUS replacements has become larger with several aging justices. The Democrats should have expected a current list from Trump again.  Biden certainly doesn't have to.  But currently it seems to be the major issue of the campaign. Maybe they think the election will be a slam dunk for Biden. 

 
Phil Elliott said:
Why doesn't Biden release his list of potential SCOTUS nominees?  Trump did it early in the 2016 campaign. The issue of SCOTUS replacements has become larger with several aging justices. The Democrats should have expected a current list from Trump again.  Biden certainly doesn't have to.  But currently it seems to be the major issue of the campaign. Maybe they think the election will be a slam dunk for Biden. 
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"because Trump did it" shouldn't be the bar for anything.  

 
Tolstoy said:
"because Trump did it" shouldn't be the bar for anything.  
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Absolutely agree, but doing something that either counters your opponents support or increases your support probably should be considered.    Like I said, its Biden's choice. Last time it helped Trump.  I guess Biden must not think it will help him. 

 
Phil Elliott said:
Absolutely agree, but doing something that either counters your opponents support or increases your support probably should be considered.    Like I said, its Biden's choice. Last time it helped Trump.  I guess Biden must not think it will help him. 
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I don't see any benefit to Biden in releasing a list.  Liberals won't all of a sudden get more fired up to show up and vote, regardless of whose name(s) are on the list.  On the other side, even if the list consisted of Mickey Mouse, Bugs Bunny, and Batman, Fox News would make them out to be raging socialists who are more dangerous than Stalin and Genghis Khan.

 
Phil Elliott said:
Why doesn't Biden release his list of potential SCOTUS nominees?  Trump did it early in the 2016 campaign. The issue of SCOTUS replacements has become larger with several aging justices. The Democrats should have expected a current list from Trump again.  Biden certainly doesn't have to.  But currently it seems to be the major issue of the campaign. Maybe they think the election will be a slam dunk for Biden. 
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Why should he?  Because Trump used that as politics?  Why doesn't Trump release his tax records and health records?  I think people know he would have a more liberal judge than Trump.  An actual list just gives crap to Trump to try and use against Biden.

 
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Phil Elliott said:
Absolutely agree, but doing something that either counters your opponents support or increases your support probably should be considered.  
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Biden has concluded that the potential gain is not worth the potential damage to the judiciary. He is making a small sacrifice in the name of democracy.

The conservative criticism of Biden rings completely hollow here. Just because Trump violated the norms, that does not mean that Biden is wrong for refusing to do it too.

 
I could care less whether Biden gives us some names or not but I doubt his decision was influenced by any thoughts of "the potential damage to the judiciary".

 
Tolstoy said:
"because Trump did it" shouldn't be the bar for anything.  
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Just about every possible argument for Joe Biden includes some variation of ‘yeah well Trump is worse.’  I’ve not seen many positive arguments for why Biden should be prez, the one constant seems to be that Trump is the new “bar” to compare Biden to.  It’s really incredible that this ancient white man that offers nothing to young people or progressives, with tons of skeletons in his closet, somehow got to be the 2020 nominee.  

 
ren hoek said:
Just about every possible argument for Joe Biden includes some variation of ‘yeah well Trump is worse.’  I’ve not seen many positive arguments for why Biden should be prez, the one constant seems to be that Trump is the new “bar” to compare Biden to.  It’s really incredible that this ancient white man that offers nothing to young people or progressives, with tons of skeletons in his closet, somehow got to be the 2020 nominee.  
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The reality, whether you like it or not, is that Trump is "the bar" for comparison.  That's not because Trump is "new", it's because he is the opposing candidate.

 
Phil Elliott said:
Why doesn't Biden release his list of potential SCOTUS nominees?  Trump did it early in the 2016 campaign. The issue of SCOTUS replacements has become larger with several aging justices. The Democrats should have expected a current list from Trump again.  Biden certainly doesn't have to.  But currently it seems to be the major issue of the campaign. Maybe they think the election will be a slam dunk for Biden. 
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I asked this question the other day in the scotus thread and got the same arrogant replies as you did here from Biden supporters. Only a Democrat voter would think having zero transparency into the biggest potential decision of a Biden Presidency is bad thing. Especially if his opponent has already been fully transparent. I’m sure this is question is polling horribly right now in Democrat focus groups trying to get undecideds.

 
I'm actually one who thinks this is something Trump did which should/would be a staple going forward....and while it doesn't hurt Biden that he doesn't do it....I kind of think he should.  

Of course, I thought Trump would release his tax records by now....or get Mexico to pay for The Wall....or Locker Up....so who knows? 

 
Thunderlips said:
I'm actually one who thinks this is something Trump did which should/would be a staple going forward....and while it doesn't hurt Biden that he doesn't do it....I kind of think he should.  

Of course, I thought Trump would release his tax records by now....or get Mexico to pay for The Wall....or Locker Up....so who knows? 
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or release the best healthcare plan ever but if he did prior to the election Hillary would steal it.   All broken promises.  But hey, at least the super-rich get even super-richer during the pandemic.  That's the only promise he kept.

 
Widbil83 said:
I asked this question the other day in the scotus thread and got the same arrogant replies as you did here from Biden supporters. Only a Democrat voter would think having zero transparency into the biggest potential decision of a Biden Presidency is bad thing. Especially if his opponent has already been fully transparent. I’m sure this is question is polling horribly right now in Democrat focus groups trying to get undecideds.
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He didn’t mention it at all in his “rally” appearance in WI this afternoon.

 
Rich Conway said:
The reality, whether you like it or not, is that Trump is "the bar" for comparison.  That's not because Trump is "new", it's because he is the opposing candidate.
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I agree with Tolstoy that Trump should not be the bar for anything.  But he has become the bar for everything.  The Democrats are not putting forth a nominee with serious plans to deal with our problems- only someone promising a vague return to “normal”.  Whatever that’s supposed to mean.  The same normal that led to Trump in the first place.  

When it comes to war, surveillance, money in politics, the environment, and the wholesale plundering of this country by banks and corps, Biden will change nothing.  This only gets worse either way.  We are all screwed.  

 
ren hoek said:
I agree with Tolstoy that Trump should not be the bar for anything.  But he has become the bar for everything.  The Democrats are not putting forth a nominee with serious plans to deal with our problems- only someone promising a vague return to “normal”.  Whatever that’s supposed to mean.  The same normal that led to Trump in the first place.  

When it comes to war, surveillance, money in politics, the environment, and the wholesale plundering of this country by banks and corps, Biden will change nothing.  This only gets worse either way.  We are all screwed.  
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It's fine if you want to say why you don't like Biden, or even just that you don't like Biden.  I just think it's kind of silly to complain that people are comparing one candidate to the other candidate.

 
Biden needs to start playing up how the new justice is going to overturn the aca.  Covid will become a pre-existing condition that could leave you uninsurable.

 
Widbil83 said:
I asked this question the other day in the scotus thread and got the same arrogant replies as you did here from Biden supporters. Only a Democrat voter would think having zero transparency into the biggest potential decision of a Biden Presidency is bad thing. Especially if his opponent has already been fully transparent. I’m sure this is question is polling horribly right now in Democrat focus groups trying to get undecideds.
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 Its not arrogant to rightfully claim the norm prior to Trump is being followed.  Zero transparency?  Just because someone does not put out a list, does not make it zero transparency.  I find your accusation lacking in much factual or logical basis due to the many factors of why Biden wouldn't put out a list already mentioned in here.

And it might be the one thing Trump is fully transparent on...again, should Trump release tax records?  Health records?  I mean, if Biden is transparent about those very big issues in regards to the health of POTUS and things that could affect tax policy...why should Trump not be?

 
ren hoek said:
Just about every possible argument for Joe Biden includes some variation of ‘yeah well Trump is worse.’  I’ve not seen many positive arguments for why Biden should be prez, the one constant seems to be that Trump is the new “bar” to compare Biden to.  It’s really incredible that this ancient white man that offers nothing to young people or progressives, with tons of skeletons in his closet, somehow got to be the 2020 nominee.  
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Same as day one....and third party candidates aren't any different "because we aren't the mainstream" and "because we aren't the other guys" is just a variation of that.  At some point, people need to stop holding politicians to the standard of other flawed candidates and hold them to a set of characteristics they themselves hold for what it means to be their representative.

 
Healthcare:

https://twitter.com/RNCResearch/status/1203047994737725441

and here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMSmoNOZJ9Y

and here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-Yh4OyQ2xw

And I didn't say free--I said government healthcare (and thus taxpayer subsidized)

As for illegal border crossings:

https://twitter.com/TrumpWarRoom/status/1146435462569111553

and here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCMwkLFrpYA

Even Jeh Johnson (Obama's former DHS Secretary) objects to this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uoBxxA_1zlk

The level of cognitive dissonance to pretend everything that goes against your "facts" is wrong is quite startling

It's literally:

Biden: I want to decriminalize illegal border crossings and give these people free healthcare

You: No no. He didn't actually say that. It's just a right wing talking point

Biden: No I actually want all that

You: No he really doesn't. Stop making up conspiracies

And seeing Biden's "handlers" comes from having a functional brain (unlike Biden) and seeing that Biden is in no mental state to lead a country and unlikely to make it four years:

Even over 50% of Democrats believe this: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8613893/Poll-reveals-half-Democrats-dont-think-Joe-Biden-serve-four-years-elected-president.html

 And then on top of that he was really never the sharpest tool in the shed to begin with and is getting a fiercely ambitious and strictly establishment running mate who keeps referring to a "Harris Administration": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KGgQKp2kXY

And the comparisons with Dubya are not hard to see

But no: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/aoc-dems-push-biden-progressive 

I am sure: https://www.rollcall.com/2020/07/31/could-obamas-call-to-end-senate-filibuster-shift-the-tide/ (Obama support for ending the filibuster takes root across Dem leaders culminating in Biden/Schumer openness to it shortly after despite opposing the nuclear option for years: https://www.rollcall.com/2020/08/20/schumer-senate-democrats-would-ditch-filibuster-if-needed-to-push-bidens-agenda-through/)

It's all: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/meet-the-press/blog/meet-press-blog-latest-news-analysis-data-driving-political-discussion-n988541/ncrd1180516#blogHeader 

in my: https://nypost.com/2020/07/23/sanders-biden-could-be-most-progressive-president-since-fdr/

head: https://nypost.com/2020/03/03/joe-biden-promises-to-put-beto-orourke-in-charge-of-gun-control/ (probably the most terrifying)

All before even mentioning the overwhelming advantage Biden has in PAC/special interest money: https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2020/07/dark-money-network-joe-biden-superpacs/

(though Obama had this over Romney/McCain too--it wasn't this big then)

Bernie Sanders has given me far more than just his policies to draw those comparisons:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/will-sanders-long-ago-praise-socialist-regimes-hurt-democrats-november-n1139811

"On his Nicaragua visit in 1985 Sanders sat down with leader Daniel Ortega, whom he later called "a very impressive guy." At the time, human rights activists had documented serious abuses by Ortega's government." (It's one thing if he was President and negotiating and had to work with Ortega like FDR with Stalin, Obama with Castro during the thaw or Trump with Kim--this is his sentiment with no political gain)

"In 1989, Sanders visited communist Cuba and lauded the country's "free health care, free education, free housing," while dismissing the government's holding of political prisoners by saying Cuba was not a "perfect society," according to The Free Press of Burlington"

"Last year, pressed at a televised town hall by CNN's Wolf Blitzer, Sanders refused to call Venezuela's leader, Nicholás Maduro, a dictator. He has declined to recognize opposition leader Juan Guaidó as Venezuela's legitimate leader, as the U.S. and most of its allies have done. He denounced what he called a "coup" against Bolivia's leftist president, Evo Morales, despite findings by independent groups that Morales tried to steal an election."

""I was very excited and impressed by the Cuban revolution," he said in 1986, adding that he became sick to his stomach when he heard Democrat John F. Kennedy discussing ways to overturn that revolution in the 1960 presidential debate with Richard Nixon."

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/05/bernie-sanders-pro-sandinista-past-problem.html

"The Times shows that Sanders went well beyond mere opposition to funding the war. He wrote to Sandinista leaders that American news media had not “reflected fairly the goals and accomplishments of your administration.” On a visit to the country, he attended a Sandinista celebration at which the crowd chanted, “Here, there, everywhere, the Yankee will die,” and complained that American reporters ignored “the truth” about Nicaragua’s government, telling a CBS reporter, “You are worms.'”

And then of course there's Bernie's idol Fidel: (again said while he was not President or Secretary of State negotiating--just his honest opinions)

https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/24/politics/sanders-defends-castro-cuba-comments-cnntv/index.html

Praising his literacy program--this literacy program: https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/yes-bernie-sanders-castro-s-literacy-program-was-bad-thing-ncna1145001

"I was forced to learn how to read and write by teachers who brainwashed me while teaching me how to write the “F” for “Fidel,” the “C” for “Castro” and so on. The "education" under a socialist regime is probably the most malicious of their programs, because it is — to the eyes of people like Sanders — an unalloyed, irreproachable social good, and yet it is one of the most essential tools of indoctrination and repression. There, according to Che Guevara’s teachings, as a small child I was taught to hate different ideas, looks and behaviors. 

The Cuban educational system is not a "literacy program" but a tool of indoctrination, designed for the creation of the “New Man” — one who is removed from what we would recognize as Western civilization’s values, who is intolerant and ready to kill in order to impose the revolutionary ideology. And it starts with those ABCs."

"Such a militarized state has guaranteed the Castro dynasty’s power over half a century — not, as Sanders asserted in his 1997 book, because "he educated their kids, gave their kids health care, totally transformed the society." The truth is that Cubans still live in a state of fear — even terror — and consequently are poorly organized in a weak civil society."

And as for the slaver comment--it's worse to me than the deplorables for its race baiting divisiveness and fear mongering--the same kind of rhetoric Trump uses but to a different demographic and in an even more obvious way--and confirms what I already suspected:

All these "moderates" and "Republicans" on this board aren't fooling anybody. If this poll were held in 2012, the results would be the same spread between Obama and Romney and the posters would be calling Romney a white supremacist, threat to democracy, authoritarian monster, slave owner, and saying it's treacherous/unpatriotic to support him---Biden confirmed it in those words

The same "courtesy" would be applied to anyone right of center (no matter how slight)---whether McCain, Huntsman, Romney, Paul Ryan, etc

And then after they die or criticize a Republican, these posters will talk about how they "always respected" that Republican because he was honorable--even as they called him an evil segregationist when they actually ran (see McCain)

That's the significance of the slaver comment and an explanation of how a political divide deepens
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@KChusker  I still think all of this is better served here than the other thread.

On healthcare...having access to and being covered, and paid for are the two main differences I will keep harping on...and they are big big differences.  As I said...the debate gotcha question is not about paying for illegals.  Having access to healthcare and having it provided free by government are still two distinctly different things.  Look at both platforms...it doesn't appear anywhere that healthcare for illegals will be provided free by the government.  Its a talking point that does not appear to be factual.  It also doesn't mean it will be subsidized by the government (no more than emergency care is being subsidized by the other insured right now).

Illegal border crossings...your source is the twitter feed of "Trump War Room" citing the video talking about making it a civil penalty...nothing in that is calling for open borders...that is complete spin...again, read the platforms of both the DNC and Biden which have been fine tuned since the debates featuring all of those people.

Your little quotes...are false not because I say so...because they actually are.  Saying decriminalize a section of US Code and making it a civil crime is not the same as open borders (and your quotes make the claim of free healthcare again).   And having access to Obamacare does not make it government subsidized or free or anything...access and payment are distinctly different things...again...its not because I say so...its because its in black and white on the platforms both for the Candidate and the Party.

The "slaver" comment...was clearly not an actual slaver comment...as he didn't say that word...so not sure why it keeps getting called that, outside of right wing places calling it that, repeating it over and over til it gets repeated (similar to recently where the claim is Pelosi may file impeachment against Barr and Trump to slow the SCOTUS process...which she never actually said).  So why repeat a word that was not used by Biden?  In addition...why make claims that others are not republicans or moderates and that they aren't fooling anybody?  Basically calling people liars...between this and what I will say next...you don't appear to want to have a rational and civil discussion.

The rest I may just quite responding to someone who makes the bolded claim as if others here don't have functioning brains...sorry, you want to have a civil discussion, try being civil rather than throwing both of these things around...you seem to be doing well and having good conversation...but when you fall into that type of crap, it makes it almost pointless to try with you anymore.

 
Phil Elliott said:
Why doesn't Biden release his list of potential SCOTUS nominees?  Trump did it early in the 2016 campaign. The issue of SCOTUS replacements has become larger with several aging justices. The Democrats should have expected a current list from Trump again.  Biden certainly doesn't have to.  But currently it seems to be the major issue of the campaign. Maybe they think the election will be a slam dunk for Biden. 
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Who's campaign?  Best I can tell, Biden seems to be putting COVID and healthcare front and center in his campaign.  99% of all the ads I see here in Florida are on those topics.  I can see why Trump would make this the focus of HIS campaign.  He can't really run on current state of the country or his contributions to the current state, so he has to have something else.  

Reality is, minds are already made up.  No matter what he puts out, the quantity of people that are actually still on the fence is 10%, maybe less.  We don't have that typical 20-25% undecided group this time around.  To label this a "major issue" when it JUST became a thing seems off to me.

 
The Commish said:
Same as day one....and third party candidates aren't any different "because we aren't the mainstream" and "because we aren't the other guys" is just a variation of that.  At some point, people need to stop holding politicians to the standard of other flawed candidates and hold them to a set of characteristics they themselves hold for what it means to be their representative.
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Unless I get to pick the candidates that are running my choice is from those that are on the ballot.  The luxury of voting for candidates that more closely fit my ideal is not a luxury I often get.   Try as I might I can't persuade enough people to stop voting for "safe", "electable", "centrist" candidates to get the real liberals or progressives that this country needs on the ballot.  Until that day arrives I'm stuck voting for the "incrementalists" that least gets in the way of the future this country needs.  

Its understandable when the "horrors of socialism" crowd fight back.  It makes no sense when those frustrated by the pace of change punish those largely on their side that are just pushing policy on a much slower pace to a change averse country.  And all of this talk about ideals and standards is not ever going to get anything accomplished other than more setbacks. 

 
FBG Trump supporter: “I don’t know why Biden doesn’t drop trou and do the helicopter with his schwantz at his next fundraiser. It’s perplexing to me.”

 
Rich Conway said:
It's fine if you want to say why you don't like Biden, or even just that you don't like Biden.  I just think it's kind of silly to complain that people are comparing one candidate to the other candidate.
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You make it sound like I don’t like him because he eats ice cream.  I understand why people like him.  I think they’re completely deluded about what he actually stands for, how he hurt this country for the past 40 years, and the lasting damage he would do as president.  But I understand why people are drawn to him.  

I don’t care if people compare the two. I just think people obscure Biden’s faults by constantly making it about Trump.  Just be honest about how bad they are, quit acting like Biden is going to change anything when he’s making it abundantly clear that he is not.  

 
ren hoek said:
You make it sound like I don’t like him because he eats ice cream.  I understand why people like him.  I think they’re completely deluded about what he actually stands for, how he hurt this country for the past 40 years, and the lasting damage he would do as president.  But I understand why people are drawn to him.  

I don’t care if people compare the two. I just think people obscure Biden’s faults by constantly making it about Trump.  Just be honest about how bad they are, quit acting like Biden is going to change anything when he’s making it abundantly clear that he is not.  
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Look, I'm not a huge Biden fan either.  But I believe that he's much better than Trump, and the reality is that (barring a cataclysmic event) one of those two will win this election.  I'm not in any way deluded about who Biden is, but I know for damn sure who Trump is, and I'm positive that he will harm this country more than Biden.

 
The Commish said:
Who's campaign?  Best I can tell, Biden seems to be putting COVID and healthcare front and center in his campaign.  99% of all the ads I see here in Florida are on those topics.  I can see why Trump would make this the focus of HIS campaign.  He can't really run on current state of the country or his contributions to the current state, so he has to have something else.  

Reality is, minds are already made up.  No matter what he puts out, the quantity of people that are actually still on the fence is 10%, maybe less.  We don't have that typical 20-25% undecided group this time around.  To label this a "major issue" when it JUST became a thing seems off to me.
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Agree the percent of undecided voters is single digit.   The only reason I mentioned it became a major issue is from the Democrats response (basically if Repubs go forward, we will do worse things next year when we have the Senate/POTUS). The campaigns will focus on what they think is their strengths. The public will decide what the major issues really are.

 
ren hoek said:
Just about every possible argument for Joe Biden includes some variation of ‘yeah well Trump is worse.’  I’ve not seen many positive arguments for why Biden should be prez, the one constant seems to be that Trump is the new “bar” to compare Biden to.  It’s really incredible that this ancient white man that offers nothing to young people or progressives, with tons of skeletons in his closet, somehow got to be the 2020 nominee.  
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Obama took over an economy in shambles and brought it back to a level that Trump was doing touchdown dances over.

People want a return to that as well as an administration that is not trying to steal everything not chained down.

They want the ACA protected and expanded.

They want a leader who can do a better job on the coronavirus.  Not a high bar.

Biden offers all of that.

2015 is a dream nowadays.  People want that back.

 
Rich Conway said:
Look, I'm not a huge Biden fan either.  But I believe that he's much better than Trump, and the reality is that (barring a cataclysmic event) one of those two will win this election.  I'm not in any way deluded about who Biden is, but I know for damn sure who Trump is, and I'm positive that he will harm this country more than Biden.
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I think both of them represent a graveyard.  People caving to 2-party system are actively doing more harm to this country than people that are not voting at all.  Biden/Trump will hurt massive numbers of people, they have the records to show for it.  More Iraq Wars, more bailouts, more NSA spying, more militarized troops crushing protesters, more kids in cages, more genocide in Palestine, more inequality.  Just because everyone else is going to jump off a bridge and take us with them doesn’t mean you gotta do it too.  

 
ren hoek said:
I think both of them represent a graveyard.  People caving to 2-party system are actively doing more harm to this country than people that are not voting at all.  Biden/Trump will hurt massive numbers of people, they have the records to show for it.  More Iraq Wars, more bailouts, more NSA spying, more militarized troops crushing protesters, more kids in cages, more genocide in Palestine, more inequality.  Just because everyone else is going to jump off a bridge and take us with them doesn’t mean you gotta do it too.  
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You cherry picked the issues and even then equating the dems to the repubs is specious at best.

 
Widbil83 said:
Continually taking your best player off the field during critical moments of the game is good strategy? Listen to yourself here. 
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Neither of these guys is anywhere close to the best player - stop with this nonsense.  Trump should have hidden since the pandemic started instead of constantly saying stupid things while 200k people die.  He should follow Biden’s lead.

 
Daywalker said:
Obama took over an economy in shambles and brought it back to a level that Trump was doing touchdown dances over.

People want a return to that as well as an administration that is not trying to steal everything not chained down.

They want the ACA protected and expanded.

They want a leader who can do a better job on the coronavirus.  Not a high bar.

Biden offers all of that.

2015 is a dream nowadays.  People want that back.
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Yup.

Americans are looking for a leader who isn't simply a Cult of Personality whose main goal isnt relentless self promotion over everything else.

 
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