AAABatteries Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 (edited) 10 minutes ago, BobbyLayne said: Straight up baiting and trolling in most PSF threads rn. Has there even been one discussion on policy of late? I guess a little bit of discussion on another round of stimulus. I can’t remember a General Election where we’ve seen less conversation about foreign policy. It would be unfair to lay all of that at the feet of Trump but he's definitely made things worse. I'm not sure how we reverse course on this but I do think we generally have some good discussion in the PSF. Most of the noise is just fatigue with all of this. Also, everybody is bunkered in right now and vested in the outcome they want. ETA - my post wasn't clear. I obviously don't blame Trump for PSF discussion - what I meant was the lack of policy discussion and the focus on personality/civility, etc. Edited October 19, 2020 by AAABatteries Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyLayne Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 5 minutes ago, AAABatteries said: It would be unfair to lay all of that at the feet of Trump but he's definitely made things worse. I'm not sure how we reverse course on this but I do think we generally have some good discussion in the PSF. Most of the noise is just fatigue with all of this. Also, everybody is bunkered in right now and vested in the outcome they want. Get away from identity politics would be a good start. Which would also mean getting away from automatically defending progressives. ASIDE - I had no idea Trump flags were a real thing. There’s a printing company that handles printing ballots for a couple states which is under pressure for delivering them woefully late. Up until a few weeks ago their HQ had a huge navy blue Trump flag flying right below their Stars and Bars. Dispensing with the cult of personality will be a big help. But we genuinely have to get away from the false dichotomy of partisanship. These ####s don’t care about us; neither party does. All they want is status quo and remaining in power. We need to start hearing one another again. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mile High Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 1 minute ago, BobbyLayne said: We need to start hearing one another again Those days are gone. To many cultural differences. To many irreconcilable differences. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyLayne Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 Just now, Mile High said: Those days are gone. To many cultural differences. To many irreconcilable differences. *too Yeah, the chasm is pretty wide after decades of emphasis on wedge issues that have very little to do with our everyday lives. But I remain hopeful. I’m encouraged by the enthusiasm being displayed in early voting. I am genuinely concerned for the country. We need to view this election as a mandate to get away from what brought us here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grace Under Pressure Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 Joe should really ramp up the appearances these last 2 weeks. He needs to be in PA, WI, MI, MN, AZ, FL and perhaps OH. Probably can bag SC and GA, send surrogates, don't waste the time personally, not likely to win there. NV and ME are also potential stops, although he's probably running out of time to hit all of those. Hillary dropped the ball on this in 2016. Pandemic or no, Joe needs to not repeat the mistake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AAABatteries Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 39 minutes ago, Grace Under Pressure said: Joe should really ramp up the appearances these last 2 weeks. He needs to be in PA, WI, MI, MN, AZ, FL and perhaps OH. Probably can bag SC and GA, send surrogates, don't waste the time personally, not likely to win there. NV and ME are also potential stops, although he's probably running out of time to hit all of those. Hillary dropped the ball on this in 2016. Pandemic or no, Joe needs to not repeat the mistake. I don't disagree with this but how much of an impact does that really make? I remember folks saying that Hillary dropped the ball in 2016, especially in Wisconsin. How many voters are really saying - you know, I was going to vote Biden but he never showed up here so I'm going with Trump? I mean, it seems ridiculous under normal circumstances with "normal" candidates but even more so this year. And again, I think you are probably right and I'm off-base but it still seems weird to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tolstoy Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 18 minutes ago, AAABatteries said: I don't disagree with this but how much of an impact does that really make? I remember folks saying that Hillary dropped the ball in 2016, especially in Wisconsin. How many voters are really saying - you know, I was going to vote Biden but he never showed up here so I'm going with Trump? I mean, it seems ridiculous under normal circumstances with "normal" candidates but even more so this year. And again, I think you are probably right and I'm off-base but it still seems weird to me. I don’t think it changes minds. I think it motivates some that might not have voted to do it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murph Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 19 minutes ago, AAABatteries said: I don't disagree with this but how much of an impact does that really make? I remember folks saying that Hillary dropped the ball in 2016, especially in Wisconsin. How many voters are really saying - you know, I was going to vote Biden but he never showed up here so I'm going with Trump? I mean, it seems ridiculous under normal circumstances with "normal" candidates but even more so this year. And again, I think you are probably right and I'm off-base but it still seems weird to me. I think the argument about Hillary's strategy in 2016 is not that it caused people to vote for Trump but that people stayed home who may have otherwise come out for her if she campaigned more in, say, Milwaukee. Whether or not that's true I don't know. Either way I think this year is different. The two most important things for Biden to do between now and November 3 are (A) not get COVID and (B) let Trump make an idiot out of himself. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grace Under Pressure Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 13 minutes ago, AAABatteries said: I don't disagree with this but how much of an impact does that really make? I remember folks saying that Hillary dropped the ball in 2016, especially in Wisconsin. How many voters are really saying - you know, I was going to vote Biden but he never showed up here so I'm going with Trump? I mean, it seems ridiculous under normal circumstances with "normal" candidates but even more so this year. And again, I think you are probably right and I'm off-base but it still seems weird to me. Normally, that makes sense. This year, do everything possible. In-person, lawn signs, door-to-door, everything. There's likely a couple of points worth of process shenanigans in a few key states. Need to overcome that and the likelihood that any thin margin anywhere will be contested with lawsuits. Joe can't afford to come across as disengaged in any way. Trump is taking Air Force One to all of these places. It all makes a difference in getting turnout. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AAABatteries Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 2 hours ago, Tolstoy said: I don’t think it changes minds. I think it motivates some that might not have voted to do it. Makes sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Encyclopedia Brown Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 Ron Howard is hosting a Happy Days reunion/fundraiser next Sunday in support of Wisconsin Democrats. Henry Winkler, Anson Williams and Marion Ross will appear (the twenty-fifth is her 92nd birthday). https://twitter.com/RealRonHoward/status/1318333934875283458 No Scott Baio. As someone said in the comments, there are better odds for Chuck Cunningham to show up than Chachi. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mystery Achiever Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 (edited) Obama will be in Philly in support of Biden tomorrow for a "drive in rally" at Citizens Bank Park. "It’s Obama’s first in-person campaign event anywhere for the presidential election this year, Joe Biden’s campaign said. He will speak to the importance of early voting and will specifically address Black voters, especially Black men, the campaign said." Edited October 20, 2020 by Mystery Achiever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leroy Hoard Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Mystery Achiever said: Obama will be in Philly in support of Biden tomorrow for a "drive in rally" at Citizens Bank Park. "It’s Obama’s first in-person campaign event anywhere for the presidential election this year, Joe Biden’s campaign said. He will speak to the importance of early voting and will specifically address Black voters, especially Black men, the campaign said." Compared to 2016, I think the dems are starting to get a clue. Male black voters are not a Biden hotspot. Females of most ages and ethnicity are. So are many demographics of white males. Glad that someone finally woke the dems up. Edited October 20, 2020 by Leroy Hoard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mystery Achiever Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 I think they are also focused on turnout vs people favoring Biden over Trump. Black turnout declined in 2016 for the 1st time since 1996https://www.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/FT_17.05.10_Voter-turnout.png Also,, In 2016, 64% of eligible Black women said they voted, compared with 54% of eligible Black men. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belljr Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 i would think this was a bigger deal. Too bad Biden didnt have this when asked about law enforcement https://www.military.com/daily-news/2020/10/20/list-of-former-senior-military-leaders-backing-biden-now-outnumbers-trumps.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[scooter] Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 18 minutes ago, belljr said: i would think this was a bigger deal. Too bad Biden didnt have this when asked about law enforcement https://www.military.com/daily-news/2020/10/20/list-of-former-senior-military-leaders-backing-biden-now-outnumbers-trumps.html No candidate should ever mention the military when discussing "law enforcement". "Law enforcement" = domestic police officers "Military" = foreign soldiers And (hopefully) never the twain shall meet. It's one of the founding principles of this country, and the primary reason that the 2nd and 3rd Amendments exist. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazyike Posted October 24, 2020 Share Posted October 24, 2020 (edited) If you are from Minnesota here is how you can help secure a Biden win https://www.facebook.com/7860876103/posts/10157565500566104/ Edited October 24, 2020 by lazyike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2Squirrels1Nut Posted October 24, 2020 Share Posted October 24, 2020 President Lisa Simpson needs to raise taxes after the previous President, Trump, has nearly bankrupted the country. Instead of calling it a crippling tax increase, she decided to call it a temporary refund adjustment which played well amongst Moe and the patrons at his bar. Biden should try this phraseology. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rickroll Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 got the endorsement of The New Hampshire Union Leader. Not earth-shattering, but surprising for NH. First Democrat in 100 years 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gr00vus Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 Kamala Harris is going to campaign in Texas on Friday. This seems ill advised to me. I know it's just one day, or part of one day, but I'd think they'd want to be focusing on Wisconsin, Michigan, and particularly Pennsylvania. Going to Texas feels like the same kind of hubris Clinton engaged in in 2016, where they thought they'd expand the scope of their win instead of ensuring they actually won, ignoring the key states that would prove to be the difference in the election. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rickroll Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 anyone know where to see where he is campaigning this last week? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AAABatteries Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 1 hour ago, Gr00vus said: Kamala Harris is going to campaign in Texas on Friday. This seems ill advised to me. I know it's just one day, or part of one day, but I'd think they'd want to be focusing on Wisconsin, Michigan, and particularly Pennsylvania. Going to Texas feels like the same kind of hubris Clinton engaged in in 2016, where they thought they'd expand the scope of their win instead of ensuring they actually won, ignoring the key states that would prove to be the difference in the election. I know nothing about running a campaign but I had this thought too. The only thing I could think of is to make Trump play "defense". I would have her in Philadelphia and Detroit trying to get the AA vote out - but what do I know. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-fish- Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 3 minutes ago, rickroll said: anyone know where to see where he is campaigning this last week? Georgia tomorrow. Nothing else committed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mystery Achiever Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 PA today. https://www.c-span.org/video/?477392-1/joe-biden-criticizes-white-house-coronavirus-pandemic-response Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAC_32 Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 9 hours ago, Gr00vus said: Kamala Harris is going to campaign in Texas on Friday. This seems ill advised to me. I know it's just one day, or part of one day, but I'd think they'd want to be focusing on Wisconsin, Michigan, and particularly Pennsylvania. Going to Texas feels like the same kind of hubris Clinton engaged in in 2016, where they thought they'd expand the scope of their win instead of ensuring they actually won, ignoring the key states that would prove to be the difference in the election. The Texas state House race immediately comes to mind. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAC_32 Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 8 hours ago, AAABatteries said: I know nothing about running a campaign but I had this thought too. The only thing I could think of is to make Trump play "defense". I would have her in Philadelphia and Detroit trying to get the AA vote out - but what do I know. There is certainly egg on face potential making decisions as if you have the win and are pushing for the blowout, but that's my read here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cubd8 Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 11 hours ago, Gr00vus said: Kamala Harris is going to campaign in Texas on Friday. This seems ill advised to me. I know it's just one day, or part of one day, but I'd think they'd want to be focusing on Wisconsin, Michigan, and particularly Pennsylvania. Going to Texas feels like the same kind of hubris Clinton engaged in in 2016, where they thought they'd expand the scope of their win instead of ensuring they actually won, ignoring the key states that would prove to be the difference in the election. I'd have her and Biden in GA, NC, IA and AZ over the course of the week and then the blue wall of PA, MI and WI. Trump may squeak out TX, OH and FL, but he's very vulnerable and, if polling is to be believed, may be trailing in all of these states. Last stand for Trump. He's in trouble in most states. Biden and Harris should be trying to finish this off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamny Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 7 hours ago, cubd8 said: I'd have her and Biden in GA, NC, IA and AZ over the course of the week and then the blue wall of PA, MI and WI. Trump may squeak out TX, OH and FL, but he's very vulnerable and, if polling is to be believed, may be trailing in all of these states. Last stand for Trump. He's in trouble in most states. Biden and Harris should be trying to finish this off. I really don't know how anyone could be this confident right now. If Biden loses, it will be for many of the same reasons that Hillary lost wrt not getting out there enough in key areas. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sho nuff Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 13 minutes ago, jamny said: I really don't know how anyone could be this confident right now. If Biden loses, it will be for many of the same reasons that Hillary lost wrt not getting out there enough in key areas. Biden going to WI...for the 3rd time (his surrogates were all just there recently as well) That, as the article states, just after being in Pennsylvania... Also will be going to Michigan... I think the dynamic this year (especially with all the early voting) is so much different than 2016 that the comparisons are mostly pointless. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamny Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 8 minutes ago, sho nuff said: Biden going to WI...for the 3rd time (his surrogates were all just there recently as well) That, as the article states, just after being in Pennsylvania... Also will be going to Michigan... I think the dynamic this year (especially with all the early voting) is so much different than 2016 that the comparisons are mostly pointless. We'll see. I think if he loses, the consensus will be that he didn't get out there enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sho nuff Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 8 minutes ago, jamny said: We'll see. I think if he loses, the consensus will be that he didn't get out there enough. He is currently out there though...I think its clear you can't claim he ignored those states. I don't think its even close to what Hillary did. Looks like he is concentrating on those states and sending Harris into Texas and others that they seem close but may be more unlikely to win. Seems wise to do that IMO. Spend on advertising in those places...send the surrogates...while the candidate rounds out the last week in places like PA, MI, and WI 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mystery Achiever Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 Obama and Biden will campaign together in Michigan on Saturday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[scooter] Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 On 10/27/2020 at 5:23 AM, jamny said: We'll see. I think if he loses, the consensus will be that he didn't get out there enough. I agree that if Biden loses, the analysis will show that Trump had a stronger ground game in certain states. However, I also think that you can argue that Trump is making a similar tactical error. For example, Trump has campaigned quite a bit in Florida, North Carolina, and Ohio -- and while he does need those states to win, I think you could argue he should be spending his resources on states that he needs to flip. Basically, at this point in the campaign, Trump needs to just cross his fingers that he'll win FL/NC/OH, and then focus entirely on closing the deficits in Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin and/or Arizona. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamny Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 10 minutes ago, [scooter] said: I agree that if Biden loses, the analysis will show that Trump had a stronger ground game in certain states. However, I also think that you can argue that Trump is making a similar tactical error. For example, Trump has campaigned quite a bit in Florida, North Carolina, and Ohio -- and while he does need those states to win, I think you could argue he should be spending his resources on states that he needs to flip. Basically, at this point in the campaign, Trump needs to just cross his fingers that he'll win FL/NC/OH, and then focus entirely on closing the deficits in Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin and/or Arizona. I generally agree but he did win every one of those states you mentioned so it's not exactly a flip. I have a feeling it might come down to AZ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AAABatteries Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 7 hours ago, jamny said: I generally agree but he did win every one of those states you mentioned so it's not exactly a flip. I have a feeling it might come down to AZ. If we assume the upper Midwest reverts then Trump has to win AZ and PA (and of course retain OH, FL, GA, NC). If he does that, he wins. It comes down to AZ and PA, IMO. If any of those other states flip to the other nominee then it most likely doesn't matter as it will either be over or signal that it will be over* *Ignoring any post-election nonsense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnycakes Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 Catch Joe Biden live from Flint Michigan https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HNUBK9PIiE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sho nuff Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 33 minutes ago, johnnycakes said: Catch Joe Biden live from Flint Michigan https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HNUBK9PIiE He has a basement in Flint? 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leroy Hoard Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 6 minutes ago, sho nuff said: He has a basement in Flint? The guy must have been money in his dating years. He has basements everywhere. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HellToupee Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 Hunter stumping for the big guy this weekend? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gr00vus Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 Sent another $50 to the big guy today. I always enjoy seeing that gif of him in the vette encouraging additional donations afterwards. It's a good feeling. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snorkelson Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 1 hour ago, HellToupee said: Hunter stumping for the big guy this weekend? He could be smoking crack and getting a foot job for all I care. I’m voting for his dad either way. 3 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazyike Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 Obama and Biden in Detroit. Darn good. Never voted for Obama but he was and is a very fine speaker. Tough act to follow but Biden was solid and I would say a lot of enthusiasm 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leroy Hoard Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 6 hours ago, lazyike said: Obama and Biden in Detroit. Darn good. Never voted for Obama but he was and is a very fine speaker. Tough act to follow but Biden was solid and I would say a lot of enthusiasm Michigan is a big state for Biden. Only a 10k vote difference in 2016, I think that was the smallest differential out of all 50 states. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Summer Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 20 minutes ago, Leroy Hoard said: Michigan is a big state for Biden. Only a 10k vote difference in 2016, I think that was the smallest differential out of all 50 states. It was the closest percentage margin but not the closest vote margin (Hillary won New Hampshire by just 2736 votes). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mystery Achiever Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 I'm a little late, but Happy Halloween! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parasaurolophus Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 That tweet asking how all these people got in my basement was awesome. No malarkey on the side of the bus is pretty great too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mystery Achiever Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 It was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sho nuff Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 14 minutes ago, parasaurolophus said: That tweet asking how all these people got in my basement was awesome. No malarkey on the side of the bus is pretty great too. Yeah, that is pretty well done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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