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Am I the only one that can see the elephant in the room that no one is mentioning? He seems like he is often making mental stumbles that seem beyond being gaffe prone, and has significantly declined mentally since being VP. I mean, I guess if he is the candidate I will have no choice to vote for him, but that will not look good for presidential debates that people actually watch.

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12 minutes ago, huthut said:

Am I the only one that can see the elephant in the room that no one is mentioning? He seems like he is often making mental stumbles that seem beyond being gaffe prone, and has significantly declined mentally since being VP. I mean, I guess if he is the candidate I will have no choice to vote for him, but that will not look good for presidential debates that people actually watch.

He's gonna go down in flames on live TV if he ends up the nominee. 

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1 hour ago, mcintyre1 said:

He's gonna go down in flames on live TV if he ends up the nominee. 

Depends what you mean.  
 

He’ll make some huge gaffes and say some really stupid things. But they won’t cost him like the exact same statements would cost Bernie, Pete, or Warren. 

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4 hours ago, Henry Ford said:

Depends what you mean.  
 

He’ll make some huge gaffes and say some really stupid things. But they won’t cost him like the exact same statements would cost Bernie, Pete, or Warren. 

There will be many gaffes but in the end Biden is a man of decency and actually will put some good competent people  in cabinet positions and rely on them. I am all in on Biden. Trump will be Trump in these debates and it will be dirty and ugly.

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4 hours ago, huthut said:

Am I the only one that can see the elephant in the room that no one is mentioning? He seems like he is often making mental stumbles that seem beyond being gaffe prone, and has significantly declined mentally since being VP. I mean, I guess if he is the candidate I will have no choice to vote for him, but that will not look good for presidential debates that people actually watch.

Can't be worse than the other guy...

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12 minutes ago, msommer said:

Can't be worse than the other guy...

He’s not but damn, the guy is a mess (with a big heart).  People were burying him a month ago and now he’s the savior of the party?  I’m skeptical but I’ll enthusiastically vote for him if it works out that way.

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29 minutes ago, AAABatteries said:

He’s not but damn, the guy is a mess (with a big heart).  People were burying him a month ago and now he’s the savior of the party?  I’m skeptical but I’ll enthusiastically vote for him if it works out that way.

Yep. I won't vote for him, though, but that's because I'm not allowed to

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6 hours ago, Jefferson the Caregiver said:

Biden doesn't have the same issue there as Hillary and can appeal to people that she didn't.

This used to be true but I think those days are past. It's getting difficult to even watch him stammer and gaffe. He's not getting better, he's in serious decline. And we haven't even reached the starting line.

He was the "cool VP" to one of the most popular Presidents ever. Should have quit on top. 

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6 hours ago, Jefferson the Caregiver said:

 

Its not about competance though because I agree with you, Biden is not the best candidate if that's how we are judging.  I don't think it matters though, he still has the best chance to beat Trump.  

This to me is what it comes down to. 

I'm not saying other people are wrong - I'm saying I think there's a fundamental difference in opinion on how people are defining what the "game" is.

A great many smart people think the "game" in November is to put forth the best Democrat that would be a great President. 

I lean more towards the "game" is to put forth the best Democrat that can beat President Trump. 

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5 minutes ago, Joe Bryant said:

This to me is what it comes down to. 

I'm not saying other people are wrong - I'm saying I think there's a fundamental difference in opinion on how people are defining what the "game" is.

A great many smart people think the "game" in November is to put forth the best Democrat that would be a great President. 

I lean more towards the "game" is to put forth the best Democrat that can beat President Trump. 

The problem is that nobody knows who that is.  There's certainly nothing in the swing state polling data we have to date that suggests that Biden is more likely to beat Trump than Sanders.  Most of what we've seen have either beating Trump (albeit narrowly), with one Quinnipac outlier showing Trump pretty much waxing either of them.  

 

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23 minutes ago, Juxtatarot said:

Florida is enough.

I dont know enough about the demo to comment with conviction, but I've read multiple places he wont get enough out of particular groups to win that state. Need to investigate more, but if someone has the data...

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Here's the shift in the Sanders/Biden margin Data for Progress data from now compared to post-NV:

  • CO +24 S to +14 S
  • NC: +2 S to +9 B
  • TX: +9 S to +2 B
  • VA: +9 S to +15 B (!)
  • Average shift +14 B... That is NUTS.

That is wild.  Biden's getting a monster bump out of winning the 3rd primary, after no one got much of anything from winning IA or NH.  Have a feeling Biden's going to have a really big day today.

Seriously considering a big nasty nose-holding vote just to push someone palatable to a wide range of folks towards a clear majority. 

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48 minutes ago, MAC_32 said:

I dont know enough about the demo to comment with conviction, but I've read multiple places he wont get enough out of particular groups to win that state. Need to investigate more, but if someone has the data...

He is not winning Florida. Nope. 

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1 hour ago, NorvilleBarnes said:

This used to be true but I think those days are past. It's getting difficult to even watch him stammer and gaffe. He’s not getting better , he's in serious decline. And we haven't even reached the starting line.

He was the "cool VP" to one of the most popular Presidents ever. Should have quit on top. 

I don’t agree. I’ve been watching Biden in recent days give interviews and speeches, and my firm impression is that he sounds sharper and more clear minded than he has in months. It’s as if he’s drawing off the energy around him. I’ve made this comparison a few times before, but at the moment he reminds me very much of Ronald Reagan in 1984. 

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Biden will be fine.  It's not like he's going against a young, sound, well sounding Republican.  Trump's not going to beat him down with some sort of William Jennings Bryan oration......he'd get more pop from his base if, instead of giving a great soliloquy,  he just pointed at Biden every time Biden was speaking in the debate and ran his finger over his lips in the "bluh-bluh-bluh-bluh" motion.  

 

 

 

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Up until yesterday I was going Bernie.  But then one of his fans stupidly posted about his "student loan forgiveness" plan.  And I read about it.  Holy smokes that's the STUPIDEST idea in the world.  Made me mad just reading about it.  

Pulled this trigger for Biden this morning in VA.  

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Another advantage of Biden is that Trump won't be able to lay off the Burisma/Ukraine stuff.  Basically reminding Dems every day that he's colluded with foreign governments twice to interfere in our elections.  No one that wasn't already going to vote for Trump is going to buy that stuff this time around, but it will help keep Dems jacked up to vote.

IMO of course.

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2 minutes ago, Sweet J said:

Up until yesterday I was going Bernie.  But then one of his fans stupidly posted about his "student loan forgiveness" plan.  And I read about it.  Holy smokes that's the STUPIDEST idea in the world.  Made me mad just reading about it.  

Pulled this trigger for Biden this morning in VA.  

Obviously I’m not for Bernie, but I don’t understand posts like this. If Bernie is elected his actual chance of getting student loan forgiveness is slim to none. Why are you voting based on his view on an issue that’s so unlikely to happen? 

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6 minutes ago, Sweet J said:

Up until yesterday I was going Bernie.  But then one of his fans stupidly posted about his "student loan forgiveness" plan.  And I read about it.  Holy smokes that's the STUPIDEST idea in the world.  Made me mad just reading about it.  

Pulled this trigger for Biden this morning in VA.  

Bernie started pushing this idea in 2016. It was one of his first of everything is free to “you” ideas.

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3 hours ago, AAABatteries said:

He’s not but damn, the guy is a mess (with a big heart).  People were burying him a month ago and now he’s the savior of the party?  I’m skeptical but I’ll enthusiastically vote for him if it works out that way.

Pretty much how I feel.  I'd definitely vote for him over Trump (or Bernie over Trump) but Biden is losing it.  https://twitter.com/i/status/1234573252221120513

Shame we couldn't get a younger candidate to be the Dem nominee (Pete or Amy).

 

 

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2 hours ago, NorvilleBarnes said:

This used to be true but I think those days are past. It's getting difficult to even watch him stammer and gaffe. He's not getting better, he's in serious decline. And we haven't even reached the starting line.

He was the "cool VP" to one of the most popular Presidents ever. Should have quit on top. 

Compared to Trump?

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3 minutes ago, timschochet said:

Obviously I’m not for Bernie, but I don’t understand posts like this. If Bernie is elected his actual chance of getting student loan forgiveness is slim to none. Why are you voting based on his view on an issue that’s so unlikely to happen? 

If it's never going to happen, why is he running on it?  That's almost MORE stupid.

It's a horrible idea he should be embarrassed about.  It's a slap in the face to people like me, who told his kid he can't go to his chosen school because it's too expensive, and graduating with $100 debt vs. virtually no debt is a horrible idea.  He would reward a bad choices like that?  Aren't you a little embarrassed to have to defend it? 

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8 hours ago, BassNBrew said:

Bernie winning OH? When is the last time you've been through rural Ohio? It's more Trump country today than it was in 2016. Trump won the rural counties by ~800k, and if his opponent is a "democratic socialist" that margin of victory would only go up. Bernie needs to sprout 5 new major cities in the next 8 months here for him to have a remote shot at it. 

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4 minutes ago, Phil Elliott said:

Bernie started pushing this idea in 2016. It was one of his first of everything is free to “you” ideas.

Look, I can get behind government funded universal free childcare.  Especially for single mothers or fathers.  But this?  Ugh. 

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8 minutes ago, timschochet said:

Obviously I’m not for Bernie, but I don’t understand posts like this. If Bernie is elected his actual chance of getting student loan forgiveness is slim to none. Why are you voting based on his view on an issue that’s so unlikely to happen? 

"Don't worry.  If he wins, my candidate of choice will be too politically emasculated to enact any of his obviously-crazy policy proposals."

Can you see why this isn't a winning sales pitch?

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1 minute ago, Take_The_Shot said:

Bernie winning OH? When is the last time you've been through rural Ohio? It's more Trump country today than it was in 2016. Trump won the rural counties by ~800k, and if his opponent is a "democratic socialist" that margin of victory would only go up. Bernie needs to sprout 5 new major cities in the next 8 months here for him to have a remote shot at it. 

Yep, Bernie would need to one-up Obama's record urban turnout to even have a shot here. I don't know if Biden will win Ohio, but he at least has a shot. The ratios in the suburbs will shift vs 2016 and he will draw urban turnout.

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3 minutes ago, IvanKaramazov said:

"Don't worry.  If he wins, my candidate of choice will be too politically emasculated to enact any of his obviously-crazy policy proposals."

Can you see why this isn't a winning sales pitch?

If Bernie wins the nomination, this will indeed be my main argument this summer. 

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5 minutes ago, IvanKaramazov said:

"Don't worry.  If he wins, my candidate of choice will be too politically emasculated to enact any of his obviously-crazy policy proposals."

Can you see why this isn't a winning sales pitch?

 

1 minute ago, timschochet said:

If Bernie wins the nomination, this will indeed be my main argument this summer. 

 

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Just now, Mystery Achiever said:

Not even focusing on electability , I think a Biden administration - gaffes and all - is better for the country than a Sanders or Trump administration. And these seem to be the only three realistic possible outcomes at this stage.

Warren comeback in the works.

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2 minutes ago, timschochet said:

If Bernie wins the nomination, this will indeed be my main argument this summer. 

For democracy's sake, I would hope it would be something more along the lines of "an earlier plan didn't outline all the details. This more nuanced plan shows why we aren't going to just cancel all debt without putting some thought into it."

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6 minutes ago, Sweet J said:

If it's never going to happen, why is he running on it?  That's almost MORE stupid.

It's a horrible idea he should be embarrassed about.  It's a slap in the face to people like me, who told his kid he can't go to his chosen school because it's too expensive, and graduating with $100 debt vs. virtually no debt is a horrible idea.  He would reward a bad choices like that?  Aren't you a little embarrassed to have to defend it? 

No. While I don’t blame you at all for feeling that way, personally I never look at political issues in terms of fairness or unfairness. I look at them in terms of what benefits us best as a society. If I believed that forgiving student loans was a viable issue (I don’t) and that it would benefit society (I think I do) then it wouldn’t matter to me that it was a slap in the face to you and others. (Well, it would matter, but it wouldn’t affect my decision.) 

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6 minutes ago, Mystery Achiever said:

Not even focusing on electability , I think a Biden administration - gaffes and all - is better for the country than a Sanders or Trump administration. And these seem to be the only three realistic possible outcomes at this stage.

That's just the icing on the cake for me.    I get to vote for the guy I think has the best chance of beating trump as well as the guy that I think has the best chance of accomplishing something as president that I agree with.

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40 minutes ago, Sweet J said:

Up until yesterday I was going Bernie.  But then one of his fans stupidly posted about his "student loan forgiveness" plan.  And I read about it.  Holy smokes that's the STUPIDEST idea in the world.  Made me mad just reading about it.  

Pulled this trigger for Biden this morning in VA.  

Read the rest of his plans. They all come across to me as an undergrad student who did the first hour of research and started writing. 

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Bernie may well be leading in the national popular vote. But he can’t get the states he needs to.  I think he could have made it through in 2016 when the Republicans were in disarray - but this year the entire machine is working together for Trump and we have five years of dissection of his ideas.  
 

Realistically, I don’t see Bernie winning more than 22 states, and none of them are Florida. 

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35 minutes ago, Sweet J said:

If it's never going to happen, why is he running on it?  That's almost MORE stupid.

It's a horrible idea he should be embarrassed about.  It's a slap in the face to people like me, who told his kid he can't go to his chosen school because it's too expensive, and graduating with $100 debt vs. virtually no debt is a horrible idea.  He would reward a bad choices like that?  Aren't you a little embarrassed to have to defend it? 

It is getting him support from the younger crowd. This is campaign season. Candidates say the darnedest things right now to get votes. A lot of people thought Obama was giving them free phones.

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6 minutes ago, Henry Ford said:

Bernie may well be leading in the national popular vote. But he can’t get the states he needs to.  I think he could have made it through in 2016 when the Republicans were in disarray - but this year the entire machine is working together for Trump and we have five years of dissection of his ideas.  
 

Realistically, I don’t see Bernie winning more than 22 states, and none of them are Florida. 

Yeah, Bernie worries me in on an electoral vote basis too.  Besides President, I worry about trickle down on all of the down ballot stuff -- Congressmen and congresswomen in swing districts, and state elections. State elections are  going to be particularly important on a national level due to redistricting.

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