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18 hours ago, caustic said:

Obama took money from oil executives in ‘08 and proceeded to stump for the Waxman-Markey cap and trade bill which would’ve been the biggest climate policy achievement in American history. His admin massively expanded Energy Star and instituted the CAFE standards that Trump has been desperately trying to roll back. They nearly doubled the funding for clean energy R&D, which played a big role in the free-fall of wind & solar prices.

I think Biden might be unaware of how aggressive his emissions targets actually are, and I don’t think climate is high enough on his agenda. But the baseline scenario for a Biden admin looks a lot like the Obama years, IMO — a couple fuel standards here, a few clean energy incentives there, and appointees who actually have an interest in environmental protection. That’s woefully inadequate given the problem we face, but it’s a massive improvement over where we are. And given the time sensitivity of climate change, that improvement matters a lot.

 

16 hours ago, tommyGunZ said:

I disagree that support for LNG means Biden is bad on climate.  Folks who oppose LNG are usually ignorant of how much energy poverty still exists globally, and the geopolitical advantages it affords the United States is significant.  I’m a liberal environmentalist, and I think we should take advantage of our NG resources to transform the future both here and in many countries still starving for energy.  

 

51 minutes ago, Golf Guy 69 said:

You good with war for oil?

This is the real joke- posturing like he's strong on environmental issues while maintaining the most expansive warfare state in the history of the world.  The Pentagon is one of the world's biggest polluters.  Our relationship to Saudi Arabia, Venezuela, Iraq, Syria, Libya and Iran centers on the petrodollar.  If you aren't talking about ending all of the wars, then you are not serious about environmental policy & shifting to renewable energy.  Done, end of story, period.  

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I live in a swing state. My top two issues in this election are Hunter Biden’s role in the Ukrainian natural gas industry and section 230 of the Communications Decency Act of 1996. I was undecided, bu

I gotta say, the amount of anti-Dems complaining about Biden getting the nomination, is probably a good sign that the Dems picked the right candidate.   Biden carries certain risks - but man

He’ll hate to lose true independents like you. 

1 hour ago, Drunken Cowboy said:

This is certainly not a Biden policy.  The Iraq war was a huge mistake, but one that most of the country made. The people who deserve blame are the ones that pushed for it.

So he just supported the policy and has bad judgment but it's okay because other people did too.  

Using this logic there is about nothing you can't justify.  

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3 hours ago, KiddLattimer said:

There aren't many that don't end with "... better than Trump"

This think is what gets Trump 4 more years.  Most Progressives don't see much difference between Trump and Biden.  Many feel there is no need to support a Democratic that moves the party further right and I agree 100%.

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On 4/11/2020 at 8:29 PM, tommyGunZ said:

I disagree that support for LNG means Biden is bad on climate.  Folks who oppose LNG are usually ignorant of how much energy poverty still exists globally, and the geopolitical advantages it affords the United States is significant.  I’m a liberal environmentalist, and I think we should take advantage of our NG resources to transform the future both here and in many countries still starving for energy.  

I live in Louisiana. And what that means to me in the environmental context is 1. Support for coastal restoration, and 2. Prevention of a future BP spill.

Right now the oil companies have carte Blanche and federal support is not there. I have zero doubt we here in LA have a 1000x better shot of getting that under Biden.

Trump has rolled back all the post BP regulations and protections and monitoring of drilling. Again there is a real, serious likelihood that is restored under Biden.

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6 hours ago, Golf Guy 69 said:

This think is what gets Trump 4 more years.  Most Progressives don't see much difference between Trump and Biden.  Many feel there is no need to support a Democratic that moves the party further right and I agree 100%.

I disagree.  Most progressives will vote for Biden, just as most votes for HRC in 2016.  There is a small percentage of progressives who either out of spite or ignorance are unable to discern the difference between Biden and Trump.  At this point, I think they may be a lost cause.  

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6 hours ago, Golf Guy 69 said:

This think is what gets Trump 4 more years.  Most Progressives don't see much difference between Trump and Biden.  Many feel there is no need to support a Democratic that moves the party further right and I agree 100%.

Can’t worry about people that are this delusional. Their vote is gone.

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4 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

I live in Louisiana. And what that means to me in the environmental context is 1. Support for coastal restoration, and 2. Prevention of a future BP spill.

Right now the oil companies have carte Blanche and federal support is not there. I have zero doubt we here in LA have a 1000x better shot of getting that under Biden.

Trump has rolled back all the post BP regulations and protections and monitoring of drilling. Again there is a real, serious likelihood that is restored under Biden.

Thoughts on the Cameron LNG project down there?  LNG is so much safer to transport.  

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10 minutes ago, tommyGunZ said:

Thoughts on the Cameron LNG project down there?  LNG is so much safer to transport.  

My feeling about this, LNG and refining down here, is that the industries employ thousands. It’s easy for some across the country to assail fossils fuels, but yeah I think projects like that are good for us here and hopefully we can help America & good parts of Europe have a defensible, affordable source of energy and heating. I’d just like our state and federal government help citizens get recompense and investment from the oil companies for the damage they have done to our coastline and environment over the decades.

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1 hour ago, Golf Guy 69 said:

Wow, running a mentally deteriorating candidate is about the most delusional thing I can think of except for maybe running HRC again.

I get the feeling you would consider anyone the Democrats ran to be delusional. 

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12 hours ago, tommyGunZ said:

I disagree.  Most progressives will vote for Biden, just as most votes for HRC in 2016.  

This is probably right, there's probably a lot who didn't vote/voted green/voted Trump that didn't think he'd actually win.

I think Biden's biggest problem is that progressives are less likely to donate, campaign, work the phones, knock on doors, etc for him. Maybe he has enough big dollar donors and super PAC's that it won't matter and he can just blitz the airways with ads.

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6 minutes ago, KiddLattimer said:

This is probably right, there's probably a lot who didn't vote/voted green/voted Trump that didn't think he'd actually win.

I think Biden's biggest problem is that progressives are less likely to donate, campaign, work the phones, knock on doors, etc for him. Maybe he has enough big dollar donors and super PAC's that it won't matter and he can just blitz the airways with ads.

I doubt money will be an issue in this election for either party.

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2 hours ago, KiddLattimer said:

Honestly I would prefer her. That's not saying much at all, but it's true.

I was saying this 6 months ago about my Bernie bro brother and his liberal buddies. They disliked Hillary, but think she looks like Einstein compared to Joe Biden. No progressive I know in real life is voting for Joe Biden.

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12 minutes ago, Widbil83 said:

I was saying this 6 months ago about my Bernie bro brother and his liberal buddies. They disliked Hillary, but think she looks like Einstein compared to Joe Biden. No progressive I know in real life is voting for Joe Biden.

Here it comes folks.  HRC was the worst possible candidate ever, until whomever the Dems nominate in 2020.  Then it's "OMG, can you believe the Dems nominated Bernie/Biden/Warren...even HRC would have been a better choice!!!!"

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Just now, tommyGunZ said:

Here it comes folks.  HRC was the worst possible candidate ever, until whomever the Dems nominate in 2020.  Then it's "OMG, can you believe the Dems nominated Bernie/Biden/Warren...even HRC would have been a better choice!!!!"

Mike Dukakis says hi!

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2 minutes ago, tommyGunZ said:

Here it comes folks.  HRC was the worst possible candidate ever, until whomever the Dems nominate in 2020.  Then it's "OMG, can you believe the Dems nominated Bernie/Biden/Warren...even HRC would have been a better choice!!!!"

Nothing new here, I’ve mentioned it several times. :coffee: 

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3 minutes ago, Golf Guy 69 said:

Bernie, Tulsi, Warren.  In that order.

That two of those people (have no idea on Tulsi)  are on board with Joe and say the alternative is the worst thing that could happen to the country isn’t good for you?

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38 minutes ago, tommyGunZ said:

Here it comes folks.  HRC was the worst possible candidate ever, until whomever the Dems nominate in 2020.  Then it's "OMG, can you believe the Dems nominated Bernie/Biden/Warren...even HRC would have been a better choice!!!!"

With the exception of Biden and Bloomberg I'd say everyone who ran would be an improvement over HRC. I may not have been a huge fan of them, but I'd at least acknowledge that much. 

Naturally in true democrat fashion they go Biden

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1 hour ago, The General said:

I doubt money will be an issue in this election for either party.

Probably not... wall street, health insurance companies and military industrial have tons of money. In my 5 min look into who was funding that's what came up most for BIden. Trump is probably even worse... yay 'Murica!

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8 minutes ago, KiddLattimer said:

Probably not... wall street, health insurance companies and military industrial have tons of money. In my 5 min look into who was funding that's what came up most for BIden. Trump is probably even worse... yay 'Murica!

That would be the case regardless of who was the candidate.  Here's the thing - lobbying and political contributions are legal in the US, and companies/corps have large political budgets that will be spent regardless of who the candidates are.  Had Bernie been the nominee, all of that money would have been spent anyway.  :shrug:

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1 hour ago, The General said:

I doubt money will be an issue in this election for either party.

Sadly this is true.  Of all the things we "can't afford"...somehow we still spend ridiculous amounts of money on political campaigns.

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11 minutes ago, tommyGunZ said:

That would be the case regardless of who was the candidate.  Here's the thing - lobbying and political contributions are legal in the US, and companies/corps have large political budgets that will be spent regardless of who the candidates are.  Had Bernie been the nominee, all of that money would have been spent anyway.  :shrug:

Perhaps it would have been spent, but it's pretty clear it would have had significantly less influence.

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1 hour ago, The General said:

That two of those people (have no idea on Tulsi)  are on board with Joe and say the alternative is the worst thing that could happen to the country isn’t good for you?

I disagree on the worst thing.  I think the worst thing is Democratic Party being a corporate shill and forgetting the working class.  They go further right every 4 years.  Why are the policies popular with the base not popular inside the party?  

Time for a 3rd party.  If you look around the world, change can happen in 4 years.  When movements try to make change from inside a establishment party they fail because the establishment stifles it.  When the start new, they take over.  Time for a people's party because we don't have one.

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Bernie and Joe doing a livestream together — Sanders just officially endorsed:

”Today I am asking all Americans to come together and to support your candidacy, which I endorse. We need you in the White House and I will do all that I can to see that that happens.”

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The bottom half of this article has several democrats talking and commenting about Joe's mental decline.  I found the link to it on RealClear Politics.

https://theintercept.com/2020/03/09/it-was-democrats-and-their-media-allies-who-impugned-bidens-cognitive-fitness-yet-now-feign-outrage/

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40 minutes ago, caustic said:

Bernie and Joe doing a livestream together — Sanders just officially endorsed:

”Today I am asking all Americans to come together and to support your candidacy, which I endorse. We need you in the White House and I will do all that I can to see that that happens.”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SKdN1xQBjk

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38 minutes ago, caustic said:

Bernie and Joe doing a livestream together — Sanders just officially endorsed:

”Today I am asking all Americans to come together and to support your candidacy, which I endorse. We need you in the White House and I will do all that I can to see that that happens.”

I wonder if he'll pick an Italian roadster this time.

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49 minutes ago, caustic said:

Bernie and Joe doing a livestream together — Sanders just officially endorsed:

”Today I am asking all Americans to come together and to support your candidacy, which I endorse. We need you in the White House and I will do all that I can to see that that happens.”

What could possibly be the complaint here?

Is Sanders now the problem?

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6 hours ago, timschochet said:

No matter how many times this gets repeated on line it will never be more true. It’s a false narrative, and it suggests desperation as well IMO

Yep.  It is the same playbook as 2016 and some "progressives" are falling for it again.

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1 hour ago, caustic said:

Bernie and Joe doing a livestream together — Sanders just officially endorsed:

”Today I am asking all Americans to come together and to support your candidacy, which I endorse. We need you in the White House and I will do all that I can to see that that happens.”

He a better candidate than endorser.  Progressives movement is moving on without him.  He lost because he played with the rules of the rigged game and that game played him.

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4 hours ago, Widbil83 said:

I was saying this 6 months ago about my Bernie bro brother and his liberal buddies. They disliked Hillary, but think she looks like Einstein compared to Joe Biden. No progressive I know in real life is voting for Joe Biden.

It's a split for me, but most progressives I know who put time in to this stuff aren't voting for Biden either. The ones that liked Bernie but don't pay a ton of attention to details will vote for him though.

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38 minutes ago, Golf Guy 69 said:

2016 was a far better campaign than 2020, that's for sure.

And Hillary was an easier opponent, and there were no other serious names to spread out the votes.

I just hope some Sanders supporters don’t turn on Sanders personally for this. He’s changed the face of American and DNC politics, and he’s made ethics a primary value for votes.

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