***Official Joe Biden Campaign Thread

[msommer 8,981]

On 4/11/2020 at 5:11 PM, KiddLattimer said:

Just out of curiosity are any of you Joe supporters through the whole primary or is everyone just on board in hopes he can beat Trump?

Prior Pete supporter here, now supporting Joe (it doesn't really matter as I am not American so I can't vote).
IMHO Joe has a higher chance of beating Trump that Bernie did. Bernie had the S issue and the issue with his most fervent supporters not showing up to vote.

[msommer 8,981]

19 hours ago, tommyGunZ said:

Thoughts on the Cameron LNG project down there?  LNG is so much safer to transport.  

Than electricity? From windmills or solar?

[msommer 8,981]

9 hours ago, Golf Guy 69 said:

Wow, running a mentally deteriorating candidate is about the most delusional thing I can think of

It worked for the Republicans. Have you seen Trump interviews from the 80'ies and 90'ies?

[msommer 8,981]

7 hours ago, KiddLattimer said:

This is probably right, there's probably a lot who didn't vote/voted green/voted Trump that didn't think he'd actually win.

I think Biden's biggest problem is that progressives are less likely to donate, campaign, work the phones, knock on doors, etc for him. Maybe he has enough big dollar donors and super PAC's that it won't matter and he can just blitz the airways with ads.

He's got Bloomberg who's still got another half billion to burn

[msommer 8,981]

6 hours ago, Golf Guy 69 said:

Bernie, Tulsi, Warren.  In that order.

Did your state have a primary yet and did you vote in it?

[Leroy Hoard 13,346]

1 minute ago, msommer said:

He's got Bloomberg who's still got another half billion to burn

Bloomberg was a flawed candidate, but his flood of ads were well made.

[KiddLattimer 1,101]

5 minutes ago, msommer said:

Prior Pete supporter here, now supporting Joe (it doesn't really matter as I am not American so I can't vote).
IMHO Joe has a higher chance of beating Trump that Bernie did. Bernie had the S issue and the issue with his most fervent supporters not showing up to vote.

We'll find out eventually.

I was asking though because I can't think of anyone who was Joe from start to finish... just a question out of curiosity more than anything else.

[msommer 8,981]

2 hours ago, Golf Guy 69 said:

He a better candidate than endorser.  Progressives movement is moving on without him.  He lost because he played with the rules of the rigged game and that game played him.

Move on then. And remember to vote.

[msommer 8,981]

2 minutes ago, Leroy Hoard said:

Bloomberg was a flawed candidate, but his flood of ads were well made.

And he's promised to keep on keeping on - hammering at Trump. Pity he's likely to run out of material soon  

Edited April 13, 2020 by msommer

[ShamrockPride 5,289]

2 hours ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

And Hillary was an easier opponent, and there were no other serious names to spread out the votes.

I just hope some Sanders supporters don’t turn on Sanders personally for this. He’s changed the face of American and DNC politics, and he’s made ethics a primary value for votes.

Lol, nah. We'll be back to the "normal" all of you want in 4 years time. Back to the slithery two-faced corporate puppet politicians of years past.

Edited April 13, 2020 by ShamrockPride

[timschochet 33,223]

It won’t be easy for Biden next year. He’s got a lot to fix. He’s going to inherit a total disaster. 

[ShamrockPride 5,289]

1 minute ago, timschochet said:

It won’t be easy for Biden next year. He’s got a lot to fix. He’s going to inherit a total disaster. 

Oh cool, so the endless blame game continues. Obama inherited Bush. Trump inherited Obama. Biden inherited Trump. And on and on we go and nothing ever changes, just the way you want.

[killface 2,429]

13 minutes ago, ShamrockPride said:

Lol, nah. We'll be back to the "normal" all of you want in 4 years time. Back to the slithery two-faced corporate puppet politicians of years past.

It is nice to have the slithery one faced corporate puppet in office I guess?

[ShamrockPride 5,289]

1 minute ago, killface said:

It is nice to have the slithery one faced corporate puppet in office I guess?

Yes. I'd rather have a crass guy who can't get anything done politically because he has no clue or experience than seeing a career politician who can weasel their way around screwing over the people behind their back. That's why it amazes me when people say they'd prefer Pence to Trump. Pence knows how to play the game.

[killface 2,429]

1 minute ago, ShamrockPride said:

Yes. I'd rather have a crass guy who can't get anything done politically because he has no clue or experience than seeing a career politician who can weasel their way around screwing over the people behind their back. That's why it amazes me when people say they'd prefer Pence to Trump. Pence knows how to play the game.

Trump just does those awful.things to your face and then spits on you and pushes you in the mud

[ShamrockPride 5,289]

2 minutes ago, killface said:

Trump just does those awful.things to your face and then spits on you and pushes you in the mud

Yes. Two ####ty options for sure.

[Sweet J 3,275]

17 minutes ago, ShamrockPride said:

Oh cool, so the endless blame game continues. Obama inherited Bush. Trump inherited Obama. Biden inherited Trump. And on and on we go and nothing ever changes, just the way you want.

what Trump inherited was a booming market. A competent federal force.  An assembled pandemic response team located in a logical place.  But sure, "we can go on and on." lolz derp

[Leroy Hoard 13,346]

1 minute ago, ShamrockPride said:

Yes. Two ####ty options for sure.

Yes, good cop/bad cop. But either way you end up with your face in the mud.

[Golf Guy 69 498]

2 hours ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

And Hillary was an easier opponent, and there were no other serious names to spread out the votes.

I just hope some Sanders supporters don’t turn on Sanders personally for this. He’s changed the face of American and DNC politics, and he’s made ethics a primary value for votes.

He hasn't changed the DNC.  The rest I can agree with.

[killface 2,429]

Just now, Leroy Hoard said:

Yes, good cop/bad cop. But either way you end up with your face in the mud.

One is going to buy you flowers afterwards though

[Golf Guy 69 498]

43 minutes ago, msommer said:

It worked for the Republicans. Have you seen Trump interviews from the 80'ies and 90'ies?

RNC didn't choose him.  Don't see the comparison even if I agree with your statement.

Edited April 13, 2020 by Golf Guy 69

[Golf Guy 69 498]

37 minutes ago, msommer said:

Did your state have a primary yet and did you vote in it?

Yes, Bernie.  NC, early voted.

[ShamrockPride 5,289]

4 minutes ago, Sweet J said:

what Trump inherited was a booming market. A competent federal force.  An assembled pandemic response team located in a logical place.  But sure, "we can go on and on." lolz derp

It's not my opinion. It's a fact. The two sides will never try to get any closer. There are no potential unifiers in the scene right now.

[Golf Guy 69 498]

37 minutes ago, msommer said:

Move on then. And remember to vote.

Trump, it is.  Cuban if he runs depending on some research of the issues he supports.  But no way I vote Biden or Trump if he is in the race.

Edited April 13, 2020 by Golf Guy 69

[KiddLattimer 1,101]

32 minutes ago, Golf Guy 69 said:

Trump, it is.  Cuban if he runs depending on some research of the issues he supports.  But no way I vote Biden or Trump if he is in the race.

Howie Hawkins

Kinda hope the greens come up with something better than him though tbh

Edited April 13, 2020 by KiddLattimer

[Mr Anonymous 2,063]

4 hours ago, Getzlaf15 said:

The bottom half of this article has several democrats talking and commenting about Joe's mental decline.  I found the link to it on RealClear Politics.

https://theintercept.com/2020/03/09/it-was-democrats-and-their-media-allies-who-impugned-bidens-cognitive-fitness-yet-now-feign-outrage/

The more things stay the same, the more things umm, stay the same.

[Mr Anonymous 2,063]

1 hour ago, timschochet said:

It won’t be easy for Biden next year. He’s got a lot to fix. He’s going to inherit a total disaster. 

Lucky for him, the media will immediately shift the focus to the exact opposite stories beginning November 4th if Joe wins. By inauguration day, everything will be roses according to the media, no matter what the reality is.

[NutterButter 6,066]

1 hour ago, timschochet said:

It won’t be easy for Biden next year. He’s got a lot to fix. He’s going to inherit a total disaster. 

We should just bring Obama back.   He's got experience cleaning up a total disaster.

[Golf Guy 69 498]

16 minutes ago, NutterButter said:

We should just bring Obama back.   He's got experience cleaning up a total disaster.

Plus spur the economy with drone strikes and false hope.

[ren hoek 4,995]

Which Joe Biden Are We Getting?

Biden has made a few modest policy concessions in recent days -- but on the merits they were fairly weak. For example, his sudden support for reducing the Medicare eligibility age to 60 is actually less progressive than what many Senate Democrats proposed ten years ago. 

Biden has said he wants to unify the party, but Biden has been periodically thumbing his nose at progressives -- in 2018, he basically told millenials to screw off; in May 2019, he promised only a “middle ground” climate policy during a climate emergency; in November 2019 he told a progressive critic that “you should vote for Trump”; and in March 2020 he went out of his way to continue denigrating Medicare for All, as a lethal pandemic was starting to spread across the country, causing mass layoffs and throwing millions off of their health insurance plans.

Biden has in recent days said some nice things about Bernie Sanders, but after the final debate, Biden’s top aide shat on Bernie and Bernie’s movement in really ugly terms (and, anyway, when it comes to a national election with implications for the country and the planet, we should care far less about whether he is personally nice to Bernie and far more about the actual policy).

Clearly, the politics of triangulation are reflexive for Biden and the Clinton-era dinosaurs who run his campaign. Triangulating and hippie-punching is what he and they have always done -- and that retrograde behavior is not just morally offensive, it is politically dangerous in what is likely to be a general election that will be all about motivating the base.

To defeat Trump, we need an energized Democratic Party. 

Biden and the Democratic establishment sneering at disaffected progressive voters to prove to mythical Republican swing voters that they aren’t liberal -- that’s not going to cut it. 

Telling young voters to #### off and vote for Biden or you get Trump -- that’s not going to cut it either. 

[timschochet 33,223]

1 hour ago, ren hoek said:

 

Telling young voters to #### off and vote for Biden or you get Trump -- that’s not going to cut it either. 

He doesn’t have to tell young voters anything. 

Two years ago, after Parkland, young people got organized for the first time in my memory, (probably since the Vietnam War.) They demonstrated political power through mass gatherings. But they were unable to effect real change on guns because Republicans were too entrenched in the White House and the Senate and, increasingly, the courts. If gun control is to happen, Biden needs to win, the Senate needs to turn blue, and young people need to play a decisive role in making these things happen. If they stay at home, if they whine about Biden, they will lose what is a last golden opportunity to make a difference on this issue. They don’t need to be told this. I think they’re going to show up. 

[zoonation 5,056]

6 hours ago, ShamrockPride said:

Yes. I'd rather have a crass guy who can't get anything done politically because he has no clue or experience than seeing a career politician who can weasel their way around screwing over the people behind their back. That's why it amazes me when people say they'd prefer Pence to Trump. Pence knows how to play the game.

You don’t think Trump weaselled “his way around” screwing over people his entire life?  He is crass.  But he is also a horrible person with a poor vocabulary and an obvious case of malignant narcissism.  

He gets a pass from you because he operated in Manhattan rather than Washington for the last couple of decades?

Edited April 14, 2020 by zoonation

[timschochet 33,223]

Barack Obama will be endorsing Joe Biden today. Party unity! 

[ren hoek 4,995]

27 minutes ago, timschochet said:

Barack Obama will be endorsing Joe Biden today. Party unity! 

Seems like that'd be a record for how long it took a former President to endorse his former VP.  The party had very material concerns about Joe's mental acuity and ability to handle a drawn out political slugfest.  

[SaintsInDome2006 47,463]

16 hours ago, ShamrockPride said:

It's not my opinion. It's a fact. The two sides will never try to get any closer. There are no potential unifiers in the scene right now.

Do we actually know these are the sides in the same party? If a person doesn’t vote Democratic in 2 straight elections why are they even counted as a “side” in a supposed intra-party debate?

[Kal El 3,691]

10 minutes ago, ren hoek said:

Seems like that'd be a record for how long it took a former President to endorse his former VP.  The party had very material concerns about Joe's mental acuity and ability to handle a drawn out political slugfest.  

In a vacuum, maybe. However, there's a pretty serious issue going on that likely took precedence over an endorsement.

[SaintsInDome2006 47,463]

1 hour ago, ren hoek said:

Seems like that'd be a record for how long it took a former President to endorse his former VP.  The party had very material concerns about Joe's mental acuity and ability to handle a drawn out political slugfest.  

This has been (forgive me) a ridiculous line. An ex-president holding out of an intra-party nomination race until a nominee is decided is pretty much common I'd think. Obviously if Obama endorsed Sanders and Biden won then there'd be resentment from the Biden side (and even if Biden lost), and vice-versa if he endorsed Biden and Sanders won (and even if Sanders lost).

This must be incredibly obvious and I'm sure because there are people, yaknow out "there", who constantly push party division and resentment, and anyone who sees what a weakness that causes in the general and in the body politic as an institution would do anything they could to blunt that. I'd say Obama's actions reflect that and in fact so do Sanders' in his endorsement yesterday.

Edited April 14, 2020 by SaintsInDome2006

[timschochet 33,223]

20 minutes ago, ren hoek said:

Seems like that'd be a record for how long it took a former President to endorse his former VP.  The party had very material concerns about Joe's mental acuity and ability to handle a drawn out political slugfest.  

This is 100% wrong. Obama, like every President before him in modern history, waited until the race was decided. The Democratic Party has no concerns about Biden’s mental acuity and abilities; that is complete fabrication. 

[the moops 6,753]

5 minutes ago, timschochet said:

27 minutes ago, ren hoek said:

Seems like that'd be a record for how long it took a former President to endorse his former VP.  The party had very material concerns about Joe's mental acuity and ability to handle a drawn out political slugfest.  

This is 100% wrong. Obama, like every President before him in modern history, waited until the race was decided. The Democratic Party has no concerns about Biden’s mental acuity and abilities; that is complete fabrication. 

I don't think this is right. Clinton endorsed Gore in December of 1999 before any primary was held.

[Getzlaf15 10,787]

11 minutes ago, timschochet said:

This is 100% wrong. Obama, like every President before him in modern history, waited until the race was decided. The Democratic Party has no concerns about Biden’s mental acuity and abilities; that is complete fabrication. 

https://theintercept.com/2020/03/09/it-was-democrats-and-their-media-allies-who-impugned-bidens-cognitive-fitness-yet-now-feign-outrage/

NOT TRUE TIM!

[Kal El 3,691]

2 minutes ago, the moops said:

I don't think this is right. Clinton endorsed Gore in December of 1999 before any primary was held.

I was young at the time, but I don't remember any serious challengers to Gore. The only name I can think of is Bill Bradley, and that's because a local oldies station used his name in a parody song about the whole process.

[timschochet 33,223]

11 minutes ago, the moops said:

I don't think this is right. Clinton endorsed Gore in December of 1999 before any primary was held.

Yes- and Reagan endorsed Bush Sr. I should have excluded active VPs. When there is an actual race going on, the former or lame duck President doesn’t endorse. 

[the moops 6,753]

9 minutes ago, Kal El said:

14 minutes ago, the moops said:

I don't think this is right. Clinton endorsed Gore in December of 1999 before any primary was held.

I was young at the time, but I don't remember any serious challengers to Gore. The only name I can think of is Bill Bradley, and that's because a local oldies station used his name in a parody song about the whole process.

It was just Bradley. He was polling at 38% compared to Gore's 52%, but I wouldn't say it wasn't a serious challenge

[ren hoek 4,995]

To be fair to Biden it looks like he’s getting more favorable treatment from Obama than Bush did from Reagan.  Apparently the Bushes & Reagans hated each other.

https://www.newsweek.com/reagan-and-bush-call-it-snub-196034

[Dinsy Ejotuz 12,876]

In case you wish you could hear someone being Presidential.  Obama's endorsement of Biden is available.

[roadkill1292 10,465]

"We're all in for Bernie but we don't trust his endorsement to be of sound judgment" is a curious piece of logic. Fortunately, according to Quinnipiac, disillusioned Bernie supporters voting for Trump appears to a declining percentage this time around and they're probably scattered enough that they won't be the deciders in battleground states that are shaping up as big Dem gets in November.

Sure, vote for Donald and get a Supreme Court that won't allow a piece of legislation good for the voters for the next two decades. Or maybe vote for your state Democratic candidates who pledge to support Don Beyer's Fair Representation Act and see an electoral process in a couple of years that makes third party representation realistic.

[ren hoek 4,995]

1 hour ago, timschochet said:

This is 100% wrong. Obama, like every President before him in modern history, waited until the race was decided. The Democratic Party has no concerns about Biden’s mental acuity and abilities; that is complete fabrication. 

Actually it's 100% correct.  It's not a fabrication, and you are wrong.

Obama repeatedly tried to get Biden not to run, out of concern he would "embarrass himself" or "damage his legacy".  Michael Moore stated that in his conversations with dem operatives (starting around 6:45), off the record, that every one of them had existential concerns about what they describe to him as cognitive decline.  That there is a problem with Joe Biden.  Read the link getzlaf posted, tons of mainstream pundits were questioning Joe's mental health before they decided to start gaslighting everyone about it.  

That's why the reaction was so intense when Julian Castro asked Biden if he forgot what he said 2 minutes ago.  Because people are already thinking it under their breath.  Everybody knows it.  Dogs know it.  Everyone knows it except you Tim.  

[sho nuff 16,559]

50 minutes ago, Dinsy Ejotuz said:

In case you wish you could hear someone being Presidential.  Obama's endorsement of Biden is available.

Yeah...that was crazy good.

[ren hoek 4,995]

24 minutes ago, roadkill1292 said:

"We're all in for Bernie but we don't trust his endorsement to be of sound judgment" is a curious piece of logic. Fortunately, according to Quinnipiac, disillusioned Bernie supporters voting for Trump appears to a declining percentage this time around and they're probably scattered enough that they won't be the deciders in battleground states that are shaping up as big Dem gets in November.

This was always kind of a bogus narrative though.  More Sanders supporters voted for Clinton in 2016 than Clinton supporters voted for Obama in 2008. 

They backed Clinton in the general at a rate 2X what Clinton voters did for Obama in 2008.  According to WaPo, 12% of Sanders supporters voted Trump in 2016, vs 24% of Clinton supporters who voted McCain in 2008.  I don't remember hearing about 'disillusioned Clinton supporters voting for McCain,' although Obama was a strong candidate, as opposed to a very weak one like Clinton & Joe Biden, so we never had to hear the sour grapes narratives.  

These disillusioned Clinton supporters called themselves PUMAs, which stood for "Party Unity My ###!"  

[sho nuff 16,559]

ByeDon 2020