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RB Devin Singletary, NYG (3 Viewers)
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The Frankman
Footballguy
The Frankman
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johnnyboy8102
Footballguy
It was bad enough when the split was with Moss.
Now I see a split with Yeldon all game. Very bad for dynasty.
Now I see a split with Yeldon all game. Very bad for dynasty.
zamboni
Footballguy
Seems like McDermott has lost faith in Singletary - he had a golden opportunity and did little with it. The flash he showed in 2019 seemed to be just that.
I am bullish on his Rushing TDs increasing. The guy was incredibly productive in college. At some point you hope he barrels off for 8-10 TD and then you sell him off. Think Legarette Blount.
The only reason I say that is because he scored 66 Touchdowns in 3 years of college. Darrell Henderson is another guy who I feel has a "nose" for the endzone. He's averaged 2 rushing touchdowns the last two years and I bet he has a career year next season. He has the skillset to excel in the space this kind of offense creates.
I don't think this is his career year, so buy low in dynasty. Deangelo Williams is my comparison to this guy. One year he's going to find himself in the right place, in the right offense. He's a deep stash kind of guy. Maybe Moss gets banged up and misses a few games. Deep fodder but definitely rosterable.
The only reason I say that is because he scored 66 Touchdowns in 3 years of college. Darrell Henderson is another guy who I feel has a "nose" for the endzone. He's averaged 2 rushing touchdowns the last two years and I bet he has a career year next season. He has the skillset to excel in the space this kind of offense creates.
I don't think this is his career year, so buy low in dynasty. Deangelo Williams is my comparison to this guy. One year he's going to find himself in the right place, in the right offense. He's a deep stash kind of guy. Maybe Moss gets banged up and misses a few games. Deep fodder but definitely rosterable.
It's a LOT easier to score TDs in Conference USA against the likes of Middle Tennessee State and Western Kentucky than it is against NFL defenses.CFB Sicko said:
Deangelo Williams was a great athlete who was a 1st round pick, I don't see them as comparable at all. Moss already has been banged up and missed 5 games this year counting the playoffs and Singletary did next to nothing.
I love the guy, but he's simply not cut out to be a workhorse RB in the NFL. It seemed obvious the Bills felt the same way when when they drafted Moss, and I wouldn't be shocked to see them bring in another this offseason as they have to get more out of the running game if they want to take the next step.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
Yep. When TJ Yeldon -- the human embodiment of "healthy inactive" -- takes over your role in the conference title game, it is blindingly obvious that the coaching staff is unhappy with their RB room. I would be shocked if the Bills didn't add a RB in the offseason either in the draft or free agency.zamboni said:
zamboni
Footballguy
I guess the question is how much draft capital are they willing to use after spending 3rd round picks on each of Singletary and Moss the last two years. Fortunately, as we've seen, there are plenty of RBs that can be found in the later rounds (or go undrafted). As for free agency, they don't seem to have a ton of cap space, at least not right now.
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BobbyLayne
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Nobody opted to pass more in neutral situations in 2020 than the Bills. Probably not changing since they’re so efficient.
TVT 0 N S T A
Footballguy
So, what do we think the opportunities for Singletary look like? Is he out and Moss is in? 50/50 split?
What tier do we rate this cat in and is he worth rostering over some other murky backfields (Phillip Lindsay/Most Jets/New England Patriots/etc.)?
He seems like a guy who isn't getting much buzz had a decent week 1 preseason not so much week 2...
What tier do we rate this cat in and is he worth rostering over some other murky backfields (Phillip Lindsay/Most Jets/New England Patriots/etc.)?
He seems like a guy who isn't getting much buzz had a decent week 1 preseason not so much week 2...
Steve Tasker
Footballguy
From camp talk, it sounds like he's "1a" in a 3-headed monster of him, Zack Moss, and Matt Breida. All are expected to have their own roles, but it sounds like Singletary has been a pleasant surprise thus far at camp. I'm not sure what that means from a fantasy perspective, but I'd say he should be the de facto starting RB if you had to list one as the starter.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
socrates
Footballguy
I thought Singletary looked really good in both games, albeit in limited action. He seems to be running with great confidence and determination. I observed a pretty substantial drop-off from Singletary to Breida. That said, this is almost assuredly a RBBC situation between Singletary and Moss, with Breida peppered in.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Moss de-activated for the opener.
Hmmn.
Hmmn.
The Frankman
Footballguy
The Frankman
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Stealthycat
Footballguy
I don't get it
5.1 yards per carry no fumbles ..... not the best at pass catching but his rival Moss has a 4 ypc and not much better at catching balls as far as completions/caught ..and a fumble lost
why does BUF go to Moss so much ?
5.1 yards per carry no fumbles ..... not the best at pass catching but his rival Moss has a 4 ypc and not much better at catching balls as far as completions/caught ..and a fumble lost
why does BUF go to Moss so much ?
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
If you watch the games, it becomes very obvious who the better running back is on that team. It's not even debatable... Moss all day. I imagine that Singletary's YPC average is being propped up by a couple of long runs.
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zamboni
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Moss is a better all around RB. The same thing happened last year down the stretch where more of the playing time shifted to Moss. This year, Singletary had a great camp and was given more playing time, while Moss was hurt and seemingly in the doghouse. Things have seemingly reverted to last year.
Insein
Footballguy
I seem to remember having Moss last year and getting pissed off each week when Singletary got the work. But last year was an all around mess.
Grigs Allmoon
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Grigs Allmoon
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Grigs Allmoon
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My gut tells me that this has been a bit of a show of support by the staff for Moss. After his scratch in week 1 it was pretty obvious they chose to overfeed him a bit in week 2. I feel like the teams decisions in week 1 and week 2 were moves to motivate him. Then, after his fumble in one of the early early games, they kind of did the same thing. They gave him the ball a lot immediately following, when a lot of the time that RB would sit for a bit when he's so close to even with his alternate.
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
Or….they are using Moss now exactly the same way they used him the 2nd half of last season.
LawFitz
Footballguy
I think this is a poor man's Cleveland, with
- Chubb > Moss,
- Hunt > Singletary, and
- Mayfield <<<< Allen
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Insein
Footballguy
I must be misremembering because Singletary didn't have a single game in the second half of the season where he got less carries or yards than Moss.
Stealthycat
Footballguy
once again Singletary outplayed Moss
Singletary 5 for 27 5.4 average and caught 5 of 5 passes
Moss 8 for 24 3.0 average and caught 2 of 4 passes
Singletary 5 for 27 5.4 average and caught 5 of 5 passes
Moss 8 for 24 3.0 average and caught 2 of 4 passes
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
I genuinely feel sorry for anyone who owns a Bills RB and has expectations it will work out in their favor.
Hartliner
Footballguy
He was dropped in a 12 man and I saw some interest in him once waivers ran, My league at least has 3 interested parties atm. I expect that # to climb once we see this Dolphins game, Bills are 14 point favorites. Singletary will look very appealing for flex and during the byes if it all goes to plan. I'll try to trade him after this week if possible.
Insein
Footballguy
He ended up trading me Moss for Collins. So now I'm in this backfield but not sure when to play them.
Chaka
Footballguy
I don't get it. I have Moss and he is exceeding my expectations.
Drafted him 10.9 (12, super-flex redraft) as my #4 RB behind Sermon, we know how that worked out, and ahead of James White, we know how that worked out too.
He averages 10.9 ppg which is good for 19th in my league. He is the perfect bye week fill in (starting for Jacobs this week) and potential flex starter.
He gets 13.6 opportunities per game and doesn't need an injury to be relevant.
Singletary has disappointed to a degree (drafted as a #3 RB and performing as a #4) but that is only because the TDs have not come yet. He gets 13 opportunities/game, including 3 targets (Moss gets 2.8) and averages 5+ ypc. Those are bye week/flex level opportunities. A correction will come.
Being #19 or whatever on a ppg basis sounds nice on the surface, but if we're going to cherry pick, very few people started him in week 2 (when there weren't any bye issues and very few injuries, plus after being a healthy scratch in week 1), so you could remove that game as well. Also, there are plenty of guys who may be lower on a ppg basis for the whole season, but they've put up similar/better numbers for the games where they were clearly going to get a larger workload.
Singletary hasn't cracked double digits in full PPR since week 2, and while that may be because the TDs haven't come, you can remove the "yet" part- he's had only 2 rushing TDs each of his first 2 seasons in the league. The combo of he and Moss only had 6 rushing TDs last year, and he and Gore combined for 4 the year before- there is no "correction", this is how it goes in Buffalo. You're hoping for a change.
Now, if you have the roster space and can hold one or both in case there's an injury, you may end up with a decent FF RB, but no one should feel confident in either player even as a flex/fill in while they are both active.
Chaka
Footballguy
But no one drafted Zach Moss or Devin Singletary to start in week 2, if you had them starting week two then something went horribly wrong.
I drafted him to cover byes, which he's doing for me this week and to maybe be an occasional flex if things didn't work out with other draftees or maybe if Zack Moss emerged as something better than I thought.
You don't draft points you draft opportunities. Singletary and Moss are providing the opportunities that you drafted them for. If you drafted them to be your number one or number two running back that was a mistake. But I doubt many people did that.
Just because they haven't emerge as your super sleeper lottery pick candidate doesn't mean it was a mistake of a draft pick.
Of course both of them are droppable depending on your circumstances but at this point in the season I don't think there's anything on my wire that I would do it for, your mileage may vary of course.
Chaka
Footballguy
There also isn't one outlier game that's propping up Moss's points per game average he's been reasonably consistent. .
He's had 10, 16, 15, 15 & 12 opportunities per game for 15, 15, 10, 9 & 4 points.
Where's the outlier? A 15-point game? That means you also get to exclude the four-point game because that's how statistics work.
Moss may not pan out as a bye week filler this week for me but that's how it goes in magic football.
Chaka
Footballguy
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Moss hasn’t had a Top 24 game since Week 3. Consistent at eh.
He’s exceeded your expectations @Chaka bc as you admit you had none. My point was bc the Bills offense is predicated on Allen and the passing game - you cannot reliably start either (or any) Bills RB.
You said the touchdowns will come. He has 4 in 5 games. You thinking he should be scoring at King Henry’s rate? GL with that.
Anyway, rock on brother.
He’s exceeded your expectations @Chaka bc as you admit you had none. My point was bc the Bills offense is predicated on Allen and the passing game - you cannot reliably start either (or any) Bills RB.
You said the touchdowns will come. He has 4 in 5 games. You thinking he should be scoring at King Henry’s rate? GL with that.
Anyway, rock on brother.
