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MILES SANDERS RB, PHILADELPHIA EAGLES

NBC Sports' Reuben Frank believes the Eagles could select a running back in the second or third round of the draft.

Frank is just speculating but it's worth noting for fantasy players as Miles Sanders stock would take a notable hit if the team brought in competition for him. Frank cited Sanders' injury history and a potential increase in running plays in HC Nick Siriani's offense as reasons for Philly to draft a running back early. Sanders has dealt with multiple knee injuries since entering the league two years ago and is often spelled by Boston Scott. A Day 2 back would likely eat into Sanders' role more than Scott has and would push Sanders into RB3 territory. The Eagles currently hold the 37th pick and two picks in the third round.

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Boston Scott

SOURCE: NBC Sports Philadelphia

Apr 25, 2021, 7:45 PM ET

 

 

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Eagles seem destined to be the imploding franchise for the 2021 season. Sanders' stats were all over the place last season, I'm not sure he's someone you can count on for fantasy. Growing pains for Hurts, growing pains with the new coaching staff. I'd be willing to bet things get worse before they get better. 

 

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Sanders’ rookie season started slow due to splitting with Jordan Howard, but he showed major flashes over the second half, particularly as a receiver, and was considered a breakout candidate heading into 2020. Unfortunately, 2020 was marred by awful Wentz, and bad coaching/play calling. Impossible to accurately judge Sanders on the overall mess that was the 2020 Eagles. 
 

Heading into 2021, Sanders is slated to be the feature back in the same RB friendly system, and under the same head coach, that helped Jonathan Taylor become a star in 2020. Sanders should be leaned on heavily, and has a clear path to finishing as an RB1. Seems like a great buy-low imo.
 

 

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19 minutes ago, ffmail4me said:

with all the needs the Eagles have right now...taking a RB in the first 4 or 5 rounds seems REALLY stupid...then again, we are talking about the Eagles....

They really have no depth behind him. So they have to take one at some point or they'll rely on UDFAs again. 

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36 minutes ago, Insein said:

They really have no depth behind him. So they have to take one at some point or they'll rely on UDFAs again. 

Scott while not a world beater, did average 4.7 per carry and was very solid in the passing game. So I just don't see a huge glaring need at RB over the issues on both lines, the secondary, the receivers, etc....

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10 hours ago, Insein said:

They really have no depth behind him. So they have to take one at some point or they'll rely on UDFAs again. 

Don't forget they signed jordan howard

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1 minute ago, Andy Dufresne said:

Nobody likes Miles Sanders. I asked for the 1.4 and it was rejected within minutes without any discussion.

Which means he's probably a nice buy low.

One of my bigger takeaways this offseason has been how vastly different my leagues are than those that frequent this board. I sold Sanders in both of mine. I net 1.4 and Harrison Bryant in one and I included a '22 #1 and Trautman with him to get Mahomes in the other And I like him - he was just my 3rd RB in both and in each case I also like my #4.

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4 minutes ago, MAC_32 said:

One of my bigger takeaways this offseason has been how vastly different my leagues are than those that frequent this board. I sold Sanders in both of mine. I net 1.4 and Harrison Bryant in one and I included a '22 #1 and Trautman with him to get Mahomes in the other And I like him - he was just my 3rd RB in both and in each case I also like my #4.

SF?

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On 4/27/2021 at 7:38 AM, Andy Dufresne said:

Nobody likes Miles Sanders. I asked for the 1.4 and it was rejected within minutes without any discussion.

Which means he's probably a nice buy low.

Man, things change fast around here.  People sour so quickly on players and a lot of the time it is unjustified.  I guess it is that microwave society we live in.  

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7 minutes ago, JohnnyU said:

Man, things change fast around here.  People sour so quickly on players and a lot of the time it is unjustified.  I guess it is that microwave society we live in.  

It's funny how dynasty is supposed to be a long term strategy, but it now seems players values dip up and down on a weekly basis.

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51 minutes ago, Insein said:

Eagles select Kenneth Gainwell in the 5th round.

Which I think is great, actually.  Gainwell may get 5-8 touches per game, but Sanders is probably best used in a 15-18 touch per game role anyways.  And he’s excellent and explosive in that capacity.  

What you don’t want the Eagles to do is to grab a Javonte Williams in the second round.  And they didn’t.  Big win for Sanders.  Can’t wait to watch their offense, hopefully with Hurts and Sanders on the field for a majority of the season.

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2 minutes ago, SayWhat? said:

Which I think is great, actually.  Gainwell may get 5-8 touches per game, but Sanders is probably best used in a 15-18 touch per game role anyways.  And he’s excellent and explosive in that capacity.  

What you don’t want the Eagles to do is to grab a Javonte Williams in the second round.  And they didn’t.  Big win for Sanders.  Can’t wait to watch their offense, hopefully with Hurts and Sanders on the field for a majority of the season.

For Sanders owners, Gainwell is no bigger of a threat than Boston Scott was. 

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Tylan Wallace, Chuba and Gainwell value got absolutely crushed. Michael Carter and Amon Ra got nice boost though. Did Miami or ATL do anything at RB?

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On 4/28/2021 at 10:27 AM, Dr. Octopus said:

It's funny how dynasty is supposed to be a long term strategy, but it now seems players values dip up and down on a weekly basis.

Which is why everyone should do their own rankings without looking at consensus until you feel really strongly about your board. We are so easily influenced by groupthink that we can take advantage of the minute to minute changes. 

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Miles Sanders 2021 Outlook: Replacement Level RB Will Give You Replacement Level Production

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Initially, the concern with Miles Sanders was predicated on Doug Pederson's history of utilizing multiple running backs. Sanders' 77% snap share in 2020 put those concerns to rest. The problem with Sanders is not his usage, it's his talent. Sanders is "just a guy." He finished as the RB18 last season, but showed little in the way of explosiveness or upside. The Eagles have a new head coach in 2021. They are fully committed to Jalen Hurts, at least for this season, whose presence will likely cause a drop in Sanders' 12.3% target share as Hurts chooses to run instead of check it down. Hurts will also steal goal line carries, limiting Sanders' touchdown upside. There's also the matter of the very clear message the Eagles are sending to us regarding what they think of Sanders. If the Eagles thought Sanders was any good, would they have signed Jordan Howard, drafted Kenny Gainwell, and claimed Kerryon Johnson off waivers? I'm not saying any of these guys are threats to take Sanders' job. It's just that if Sanders was that good, the Eagles' front office wouldn't feel the need to roster four or five guys that can compete for touches. After flopping as a late first/early second round pick in 2020, Sanders is now priced as a mid to low RB2 that can be had late second/early third round. Despite all the competition, I still don't see anyone taking his job. Sanders is not a bad pick, but he's more floor than ceiling in 2021.--Jason Katz - RotoBaller

 

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1 hour ago, Faust said:

Not sure how you can label a guy who got 3 runs of over 40 yards had 10 plays of over 20 yards on 192 touches as not explosive or not showing upside.

And the reason the Eagles keep picking up RB's is their new head coach is from the Reich tree which means they will be using multiple Rb's each week and not relying on a bell cow. They are not picking up RB's because they are down on Sanders play though I would guess they are down on his fumbling. That was a knock on him coming and it's proven true.

Sanders is the starter and probably looking at something a hair under 50% snap share. Gainwell and Scott likely compete for the role we've seen Nyheim Hines play last few years. Howard and Kerryon compete for the role we saw Jordan Wilkins play last year, the one Mack probably plays this year. That's how I see it.

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1 hour ago, menobrown said:

Not sure how you can label a guy who got 3 runs of over 40 yards had 10 plays of over 20 yards on 192 touches as not explosive or not showing upside.

And the reason the Eagles keep picking up RB's is their new head coach is from the Reich tree which means they will be using multiple Rb's each week and not relying on a bell cow. They are not picking up RB's because they are down on Sanders play though I would guess they are down on his fumbling. That was a knock on him coming and it's proven true.

Sanders is the starter and probably looking at something a hair under 50% snap share. Gainwell and Scott likely compete for the role we've seen Nyheim Hines play last few years. Howard and Kerryon compete for the role we saw Jordan Wilkins play last year, the one Mack probably plays this year. That's how I see it.

Actually, 3 runs of 70+ yards. Sanders 2020 season was an historic one, accomplishing something most Hall of Fame RBs have not. But yeah, Sanders is a JAG with no explosiveness or upside. Makes zero sense at all. If anything, Sanders is one of the most explosive RBs in the NFL. 
 

Honestly, just about everything in that article is rubbish. The writer wants Sanders owners to be concerned about them adding a couple middling free agents, and drafting a RB. The real takeaway here is that Philly didn’t bring in any free agents who would realistically challenge Sanders atop the depth chart, and they bypassed any potential Sanders replacements in the draft, opting to add only a receiving back in the 5th round. All of this should be interpreted as a strong vote of confidence in Sanders as their lead RB. 
The coaching staff is clearly content with Sanders in that role, and likely pretty excited to have one of the leagues most explosive starting RBs. Why wouldn’t they be?

While he may have a limited role as a receiver, Sanders will likely set a career high in touches providing even more opportunities for those explosive plays that can turn a disappointing  fantasy day into a week-winning one in an instant. He likely won’t be drafted as an RB1, but I won’t be shocked if he finishes as a top 12 fantasy RB by seasons end, providing many exciting plays along the way.

It’s becoming clear that the perception of Miles Sanders is being skewed by the overall mess that was the 2020 Philadelphia Eagles. In fact, Sanders was one of the few bright spots. In 2021 Sanders gets a fresh start, with a new coach who features his RBs, and what should be a strong offensive line. Having something to prove may be just what Sanders needs, and I think he proves his doubters wrong in 2021 with the best season of his young career.

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MILES SANDERS RB, PHILADELPHIA EAGLES

Eagles RT Lane Johnson said there seems to be "more emphasis on the screen game" in Nick Sirianni's offense.

Indianapolis' backfield averaged the league's fourth-highest target rate last year, but that was written off as Philip Rivers' propensity to hone in on that position. Any uptick in targets for Philadelphia's running backs would be tremendous news for Miles Sanders after that unit caught the seventh-fewest receptions (60) under Doug Pederson last year. Fifth-round RB Kenny Gainwell is also expected to compete with Sanders for work on passing downs.

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8 minutes ago, Faust said:

MILES SANDERS RB, PHILADELPHIA EAGLES

Eagles RT Lane Johnson said there seems to be "more emphasis on the screen game" in Nick Sirianni's offense.

The Philly screen game was horrid last season...so many missed opportunities.  Makes sense to emphasize it more, especially with the running backs the Eagles have.

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4 hours ago, trader jake said:

The Philly screen game was horrid last season...so many missed opportunities.  Makes sense to emphasize it more, especially with the running backs the Eagles have.

And it's easy plays for hurts

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MILES SANDERS RB, PHILADELPHIA EAGLES

Eagles RBs coach Jamel Singleton downplayed the idea of an “every-down” running back.

“It all depends on your room,” Singleton said. "You need a first- and second-down runner with that really elite ability. You need a guy that can pass protect on third down and be short yardage. You need a back that can run routes and you can put him out in empty. It’s really a combination of that. I think the days of, ‘he’s an every-down back,’ that’s a little skewed these days because of the speed, because of the contact.” Sanders averaged 18.3 touches in Jalen Hurts' three full starts to close the year but that workload seems to have left the building with the previous coaching staff. Sanders' current ADP as the RB19 for Best-Ball leagues should arguably be lower with ensuing upticks for Boston Scott and fifth-rounder Kenny Gainwell at the back-end of drafts.

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I’m becoming more and more bullish on him.

He averaged 15 carries and 3 catches in those 3 games with Hurts.  That seems like a reasonable workload.  I think Gainwell and Scott keep him from a crazy touch season.

But 240 for 1100 and 48 for 375 seems very doable.

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4 minutes ago, jm192 said:

I’m becoming more and more bullish on him.

He averaged 15 carries and 3 catches in those 3 games with Hurts.  That seems like a reasonable workload.  I think Gainwell and Scott keep him from a crazy touch season.

But 240 for 1100 and 48 for 375 seems very doable.

I like him at his ADP.

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24 minutes ago, BobbyLayne said:

Do people expect the 2021 Eagles to have a good offense?

No.  But I didn’t mind getting Sanders as my rb2 in the 3rd when all the WRs I wanted were gone. 

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35 minutes ago, BobbyLayne said:

Do people expect the 2021 Eagles to have a good offense?

I think sanders is their best player and they’ll get him out in space early and often.

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34 minutes ago, BobbyLayne said:

Do people expect the 2021 Eagles to have a good offense?

Doubtful it's a prolific passing attack and on the whole probably ranges from average to less then.

But I do think it's built into the cost of the key players in this offense that it won't be good and I've been very comfortable taking Hurts, Sanders, Goedert and Devonta Smith in a lot of drafts based on their cost.

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7 minutes ago, menobrown said:

Doubtful it's a prolific passing attack and on the whole probably ranges from average to less then.

But I do think it's built into the cost of the key players in this offense that it won't be good and I've been very comfortable taking Hurts, Sanders, Goedert and Devonta Smith in a lot of drafts based on their cost.

I think this sums it up.  As a Chargers fan, I can tell you that most fans were not sad to see Steichen leave in terms of his abilities as a play caller.  Hard to say how much of that was Lynn's influence, however.  Also, Steichen does deserve some credit (along with Pep Hamilton) for Herbert's development.  You have to hope he'll do the same for Hurts and play to his strengths.  I do think there's some risk for this offense in terms of real NFL play in that the current regime didn't pick Hurts and may not be 100% sold on him. Still, he'd have to be absolutely horrendous for them to start Flacco.  Hurts should be secure for this season.  Beyond 2021, who knows.  His ceiling is a top 5-8 QB. His floor is fairly low, though. He does get Devonta (who is being undervalued in drafts, it seems to me) and the line should be vastly improved.  We've all heard how decimated the Cowboys line was last year but the Eagles had as many - or more - injuries.  Something to monitor is Sanders and whether he'll be a three down back or removed on passing downs for Gainwell/Scott.  And will Hurts check down (many running QB's don't) or take off when a play breaks down?  Sanders' value really changes if he's a 40-50 reception guy as opposed to a 20-30 reception guy.  In looking at the projections on this site, his high is 47 (Bloom) and his low is 28 (Amico) so you can see that there are varying opinions.

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8 hours ago, jm192 said:

I’m becoming more and more bullish on him.

He averaged 15 carries and 3 catches in those 3 games with Hurts.  That seems like a reasonable workload.  I think Gainwell and Scott keep him from a crazy touch season.

But 240 for 1100 and 48 for 375 seems very doable.

I'm probably at the front of this bandwagon for 2021. I don't see Sanders getting pulled at the GL or on 3rd downs, he had some drops last year, but he's a pretty good pass catcher.

1500-10 is about my expectation for him. I'd be ok with him at the 2/3 turn.

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20 hours ago, travdogg said:

I'm probably at the front of this bandwagon for 2021. I don't see Sanders getting pulled at the GL or on 3rd downs, he had some drops last year, but he's a pretty good pass catcher.

1500-10 is about my expectation for him. I'd be ok with him at the 2/3 turn.

While I hope these projections are true, I really don't think the Philly Offense will be getting any 1000 yard skill positions this coming season.  I think the whole Philly Offense is too young/under-developed in the NFL to really compete.  They don't have the high caliber ceiling this year for the Offense to support any key targets. 

The WR are young and developing, but most have potential to develop (D Smith & Reagor).  The rest are pine riders.  Goedert without Ertz?  Not sure how much Hurts goes his way.  Sanders will see more crowded lines/boxes until the passing game is a real consistent threat....  I just think they need time to develop & gel.  Maybe 2022 will be a good year.  But 2021?  Doubt they are Top 25 Offense.  Yeah, that bad.  

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30 minutes ago, Birdie048 said:

While I hope these projections are true, I really don't think the Philly Offense will be getting any 1000 yard skill positions this coming season.  I think the whole Philly Offense is too young/under-developed in the NFL to really compete.  They don't have the high caliber ceiling this year for the Offense to support any key targets. 

The WR are young and developing, but most have potential to develop (D Smith & Reagor).  The rest are pine riders.  Goedert without Ertz?  Not sure how much Hurts goes his way.  Sanders will see more crowded lines/boxes until the passing game is a real consistent threat....  I just think they need time to develop & gel.  Maybe 2022 will be a good year.  But 2021?  Doubt they are Top 25 Offense.  Yeah, that bad.  

I don't think Sanders needs them to be a top-25 offense. Neither David Montgomery or James Robinson had good offenses last year, and both were top-10 RB's. Sanders has a better OL, and more big play ability than either of them. Also, I think Hurts helps Sanders a lot, as far as those loaded boxes mattering less, as 1-2 guys will likely be watching Hurts.

I do agree that Goedert is a guy I think may be slightly overrated. I think Smith is a worthy flier, but he's probably got a lower ceiling at least for 2021, unless he is clearly the #1, including over Goedert.

Barring injury, I think 1100-8 is probably Sanders floor. I agree that due to the youth the Eagles offense will be inconsistent, but I think Sanders will sprinkle in enough big games to even it out. 

 

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55 minutes ago, travdogg said:

I don't think Sanders needs them to be a top-25 offense. Neither David Montgomery or James Robinson had good offenses last year, and both were top-10 RB's. Sanders has a better OL, and more big play ability than either of them. Also, I think Hurts helps Sanders a lot, as far as those loaded boxes mattering less, as 1-2 guys will likely be watching Hurts.

I do agree that Goedert is a guy I think may be slightly overrated. I think Smith is a worthy flier, but he's probably got a lower ceiling at least for 2021, unless he is clearly the #1, including over Goedert.

Barring injury, I think 1100-8 is probably Sanders floor. I agree that due to the youth the Eagles offense will be inconsistent, but I think Sanders will sprinkle in enough big games to even it out. 

 

I like Sanders, too.  Their line was decimated last year (and should be a lot better this year) and he still managed to average 5.3 YPC.  They also had a horrendous receiving corps/passing game last year and if Devonta pans out, teams won't be able to stack the box in the same way.  However, I mentioned this in another thread but I do worry a bit about his reception total.  Will Hurts check down? And/or will they use Gainwell and Scott on passing downs?  Steichen used multiple backs with the Chargers so I think it's a possibility.  He's generally going in the 4th, which feels too low to me.

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13 minutes ago, TS Garp said:

I like Sanders, too.  Their line was decimated last year (and should be a lot better this year) and he still managed to average 5.3 YPC.  They also had a horrendous receiving corps/passing game last year and if Devonta pans out, teams won't be able to stack the box in the same way.  However, I mentioned this in another thread but I do worry a bit about his reception total.  Will Hurts check down? And/or will they use Gainwell and Scott on passing downs?  Steichen used multiple backs with the Chargers so I think it's a possibility.  He's generally going in the 4th, which feels too low to me.

Extremely small sample size(3 games) but Sanders was on pace for 48 catches with Hurts, which is quite a bit more than he was with Wentz. He had 9 catches in 3 Hurts games, and 19 in 9 Wentz games. Sanders had 50 catches in 2019, so I'm not super concerned about his reception total. 

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I'm hoping all of you glass is half full people are right. I'm a dynasty owner on the fence of whether or not to keep this guy. I'm leaning towards trading him and getting whatever I can get for him. I hope you're all right, it'll enhance my payoff in any trade! I just don't think Philly is any good, and I don't see them as churning first downs, scoring many pts.  I hope I'm wrong, I'd consider keeping him but I don't see a silver lining here.

 

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Things certainly change fast when Sanders’ passing game chops are under scrutiny - before last year that was one of his biggest strengths of his game.

Clearly he and the rest of the offense fell as flat as can be last year. And now there’s a new coaching staff on board - they may have looked at a lot of film and determined that they aren’t comfortable with Sanders as a 3-down back. Or maybe they are comfortable and Gainwell was just great value (still just a 5th round pick though) and they don’t like Scott as the backup.

Like everything else, time will tell.

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IDK if I’d knock Gainwell just bc he’s a day 3 pick. A lot of folks think he is the best pass catching RB in this class.

Think about all Day 3 satellite backs who have been PPR monsters, never an RB1 but quite effective as an RB2 or Flex: Cohen (4th), Edmonds (4th), Hines (4th), Lewis (5th), McKissic (UDFA), Riddick (6th), Sproles (4th), White (4th), et al.

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26 minutes ago, BobbyLayne said:

IDK if I’d knock Gainwell just bc he’s a day 3 pick. A lot of folks think he is the best pass catching RB in this class.

Think about all Day 3 satellite backs who have been PPR monsters, never an RB1 but quite effective as an RB2 or Flex: Cohen (4th), Edmonds (4th), Hines (4th), Lewis (5th), McKissic (UDFA), Riddick (6th), Sproles (4th), White (4th), et al.

Sure, but out of how many RBs drafted in 4th or later/UDFA over that span? You cited Sproles, who was drafted in 2005, so you're talking about a period spanning 17 drafts. In Sproles' draft alone, there were 12 other RBs drafted in the 4th-7th rounds. Plus however many UDFA RBs were signed.

Odds of success being drafted in the 5th round are low.

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