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not related to my question, but relevant to the various weakness notes above, from the same NFL.com page:
He definitely had fumble issues. I wouldn't hold a lack of 51 yards rushing against him. I was at that Michigan game, the PSU o-line was eaten alive by the Michigan d-line and their QB couldn't throw. It was a massacre. Penn State had a pathetic offense. Sanders is an explosive athlete with good size and pass catching skills. I think he has a real shot to be a good player.
Well his touch to fumble rate is relatively high compared to other RB and IIRC similar to Ameer Abdullah who has also struggled with protecting the football in the NFL.
Also a new OC, new QB coach, new RB coach, new TE coach, no Mike Gesicki, DaSean Hamilton. However, I agree a large part is that Miles Sanders is not Saquon. They threw the ball 6 times less a game and averaged 1.5 yards per attempt less in 2018 than 2017. However, Penn State was a better rushing team in 2018. They ran the ball 5 times more a game and for 0.2 ypc more. I don't think there is any doubt Miles Sanders is nowhere near the receicing threat Barkley was. Sanders just seems average as a receiver. As a rusher, he was very competent.Biabreakable said:
Freshman year fumbles? I think you are reaching. Sanders' last year of 5 on 244 carries isn't bad at all, probably below Adrian Peterson's career fumble rate.Biabreakable said:
If it was just bad luck then why does he keep doing it?
More denials. Same coaches same team same personnel. Did not get used much as a receiver (relative to other college RB) not just Barkley) and his numbers as a receiver were below average.Most of your other comments have been debated already in this thread, and now we wait and see.
But I feel inclined to point out one thing about his pass catching: despite not having asked to do it at Penn st, his skill set translates well to receiving, what with his open field ability and quickness. A lot of running backs don't get the chance to catch passes in college, for whatever reason, but develope that part of their game in the pros.
We dont need to discuss this anymore. Wont be long until we get to watch it unfold anyhow.
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Yep but there are so many really smart fantasy experts who really like him this year. His ADP is 85th overall so it's not a pricey swing to take. The next RB in ADP is Hunt who is suspended half the year and won't even be the starter when he returns. The worry with Sanders is that if he does get to a spot where he is the clear feeature back, it might not be untill mid season and he could be a tough guy to roster for the opening month or so of the year.
Pederson hasn't had a talented all around back as of yet. All of the above have been role players, good at either receiving or grinding but never both. Theory is, if he gets one he doesn't have to take off the field, just maybe he won't.
When people see him run in PS his ADP is going to shoot up. At the moment he’s RB35 going in the 8th, he’ll go past Montgomery into RB2 territory by the end of the month.
Yep he’s going to have an Ameer Abdullah jump in ADP. Hopefully he doesn’t have an Ameer Abdullah career.
That one run in preseason though...
Well he doesn’t offer much in the passing game. What do you foresee the split in the touches being?
idk. only thing i know is wentz being protected is a big deal and howard is better at pass pro at this point.
Kind of typical (& genuine) non-elite rookie RB concerns. Obviously keeping Carson upright has to be a priority for them.
I've been eyeballing this guy in some redrafts, but the fumbles scare me. @Biabreakable is correct, 5 fumbles in 244 is very high. That's one per 49 touches against college defenders. Peterson, in the NFL (couldn't easily find his college fumbles), was at one per 69, but that was largely due to the fact that he refused to go down. If Sanders can withstand tackles anywhere near as well as AP, then I'll forgive those fumbles. But that's doubtful.
people were worried about sony michels problems with fumbles too....he did great sesson 1 in nfl fumble wise.....this trait can be corrected by coaching
This gets overlooked too often in the "Can young RB pass block?" conversations. If they're a dynamic pass-cather, putting them out in immediate routes is one way to mitigate that until the skill set improves. Which isn't all bad. If there's a vet coming in for every 3rd down, then owners have problems. Not sure where Sanders is with that yet.
Yet Sanders isn't all that great as a receiver.
Yep. Sproles might be done. I don't know.
Did you actually watch the play? That’s not at all what happened. Sanders picked up his block, right side between the guard and the tackle, maybe looked a little overwhelmed but was holding fine. The right tackle got manhandled and gave a ton of ground and an extra man hit the gap for the sack.
A poor choice of words to be sure but he did his job. He looked ugly doing it but he didn’t blow it.
Difference of opinion I guess. I wouldn’t put it in the loss column, his guy didn’t cause the sack and he didn’t impede the QB. I wouldn’t be giving him a pat on the back either though, clearly there is work to do. But as long as he isn’t letting his QB get blown up, they may let him learn it on the job in live situations
