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***Official 2019 Pittsburgh Pirates Thread*** Hope Springs Eternal?


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3 hours ago, Godsbrother said:

The Pirates managed to drop 5 games back in the standings over a 9 game stretch.   That is pretty impressive!

In all honesty this is probably a good thing for the team long term.  They never had the talent to seriously contend this year.  They need to be sellers.  Here’s hoping they lose every game for the next week!

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13 hours ago, fred_1_15301 said:

In all honesty this is probably a good thing for the team long term.  They never had the talent to seriously contend this year.  They need to be sellers.  Here’s hoping they lose every game for the next week!

While I agree there is no point in being buyers this season there is little reason for optimism for next year or anytime.  They may catch lightning in a bottle: a year where just everything breaks good for them, but as long a Nutting owns this team they are doomed for mediocrity or worse.   Aside for a couple of seasons the last 25 years has been the same story for this team.

They are ranked 27th out of 30 in spending and a quarter of that is taken by 4 players that aren't even playing.  You just can't compete like that and if MLB doesn't care enough to do anything about it (salary cap, floor, etc,) they should contract the league to the teams that are willing to spend money to be competitive.  Allowing teams to spend 5x the amount of others is just stupid.

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Beautiful park you have there in the Steel City! :thumbup:. I was there on Friday (Jul 19). Hotter and heck with no breeze but glad I got to see the park.  Too bad the batters decided it was too hot as well. Enjoyed a couple dollar dogs and a few :banned:

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10 hours ago, KiddLattimer said:

If they can pull off some of the prospects rumored from the Dodgers they'd be nuts not to take it.  2 or 3 of Lux, May, Ruiz and Smith would be a hell of a haul.

Of course it could just be sports writer nonsense too

Who do the Dodgers want that badly lol?

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3 hours ago, KiddLattimer said:

Would help if I included the player name huh? 🤦‍♂️

Supposedly that's the rumor for Vazquez. Value spiked because he's so underpaid for 4y

If that’s on the table for Vazquez, I would be ecstatic.  Lux has been tearing the cover off the ball but not sure where he fits with the Dodgers.  It’s great to see the Pirates in a free fall.  They’re certain to be sellers now

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On 7/24/2019 at 9:17 AM, MAC_32 said:

Were there really people thinking this team should be anything but sellers? 

I only care about what their management thinks and in the past they’ve refused to admit when they’re not serious contenders.

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Not sure what the Brewers see in the guy but I fully expect him to turn into Cy Young when playing the Pirates...

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The Brewers have reached a deal to acquire right-hander Jordan Lylesfrom the division-rival Pirates, reports Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic (via Twitter). Milwaukee will send Double-A right-hander Cody Ponce to Pittsburgh in return, tweets Robert Murray of The Athletic.

 

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52 minutes ago, fred_1_15301 said:

Nobody is dumb enough to pay that type of haul...................except for the Pirates.

I still cannot believe they made that trade. They give up Cutch and Cole and THEN decide this is the year to make an all-in move at the deadline?!?  Not the years they were actually competitive, but the year they go on a fluky win streak amid fan protests. 

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Losing streak over!  CHAMPIONSHIP!!!!!

 

Pretty entertaining fight last night.  I'm not sure why the umpires allowed the teams to remain on the field so long after the initial melee.  If I'm the umpires I tell each team they have 30 seconds to return to their dugouts and any player/coach still on the field is ejected.

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So Bucs had all of these vet expiring pieces to trade and one big chip and all they do is get international money and a player to be named later for Dickerson??

Like does NH think this team can compete next season?  Not like they will add any meaningful pieces. They are in a rebuild mode and ####ed it up last year with the archer trade. Now there is no direction or identity.  I wonder what the offers were that he turned down. This is the worst ownership/front office combo in sports, save MAYBE the redskins, but at least they try. 

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8 hours ago, Leeroy Jenkins said:

So Bucs had all of these vet expiring pieces to trade and one big chip and all they do is get international money and a player to be named later for Dickerson??

Like does NH think this team can compete next season?  Not like they will add any meaningful pieces. They are in a rebuild mode and ####ed it up last year with the archer trade. Now there is no direction or identity.  I wonder what the offers were that he turned down. This is the worst ownership/front office combo in sports, save MAYBE the redskins, but at least they try. 

My bet is they are blaming their pathetic showing this season on injuries.   Yes they were hit hard but the team still sucks badly.   The supposed strength was the pitching and it just isn't very good.   The odds of this team being any good in the next couple of seasons is close to zero.

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On 8/1/2019 at 3:55 PM, Godsbrother said:

My bet is they are blaming their pathetic showing this season on injuries.   Yes they were hit hard but the team still sucks badly.   The supposed strength was the pitching and it just isn't very good.   The odds of this team being any good in the next couple of seasons is close to zero.

It’s possible in the next 20 years they have a playoff team.  Anything is possible.  I was almost struck by lightning once.

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The Pirates have lost 8 consecutive series now and are 4-21 since the all-star break.  Projected over an entire year that would equate to a 26-136 season record which would be the second worst in MLB history after the Cleveland Spiders went 20-134 in 1899. 

It does not appear that Clint Hurdle, Ray Searage, Neal Huntington or Frank Coonelly are on the hot seat.     Keep up the good work fellas!!!

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On 8/15/2019 at 12:24 AM, McBokonon said:

Taillon's getting Tommy John surgery and missing 2020.

The news just keeps getting worse for this team.   

Does anyone think that a starting rotation of Musgrove, Williams, Archer, Agrazal/Brault and Keller in 2020 is a recipe for success?    

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So in yesterday's debacle Trevor Williams, arguably the "ace" of this staff, gives up 8 runs, all earned, on 6 hits (3 HRs), 3 BBs in 2 innings.  His ERA is now 5.65

 

Over the weekend Huntington was trying to say the Pirates starting pitching can compete next season, IF

they can fix Musgrove, Williams, AND Archer

Brault pitches likes he did for a 4 or 5 game stretch this year over the course of an entire season

Keller can pitch to the potential he showed in the minors

PLUS they have Kuhl coming back from Tommy John surgery  (with his impressive 4.37 lifetime ERA)

 they might be able to pick up an aging veteran pitcher or two and turn him around like they did with JA Happ

 

THIS is his plan for 2020...      Ay Caramba

 

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8 hours ago, Godsbrother said:

So in yesterday's debacle Trevor Williams, arguably the "ace" of this staff, gives up 8 runs, all earned, on 6 hits (3 HRs), 3 BBs in 2 innings.  His ERA is now 5.65

 

Over the weekend Huntington was trying to say the Pirates starting pitching can compete next season, IF

they can fix Musgrove, Williams, AND Archer

Brault pitches likes he did for a 4 or 5 game stretch this year over the course of an entire season

Keller can pitch to the potential he showed in the minors

PLUS they have Kuhl coming back from Tommy John surgery  (with his impressive 4.37 lifetime ERA)

 they might be able to pick up an aging veteran pitcher or two and turn him around like they did with JA Happ

 

THIS is his plan for 2020...      Ay Caramba

 

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We once dreamed of a staff of Cole, Glasnow and Taillon.  How far things have fallen.  

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9 hours ago, fred_1_15301 said:

We once dreamed of a staff of Cole, Glasnow and Taillon.  How far things have fallen.  

The Pirates organization has proven time and again that they are unable to develop young pitching talent.   Everyone involved in that aspect of the organization needs to go, starting with Ray Searage.  He had a few old veterans that he turned around a few years ago but he has been a disaster since.  

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5 hours ago, Godsbrother said:

The Pirates organization has proven time and again that they are unable to develop young pitching talent.   Everyone involved in that aspect of the organization needs to go, starting with Ray Searage.  He had a few old veterans that he turned around a few years ago but he has been a disaster since.  

Agreed.  Searage has no clue how to adapt.  He can do wonders for pitchers who fit into his program.  However, he has no clue how to adapt when a pitcher may not fit.  Didn't he try to turn Cole into a pitch-to-contact pitcher.   :lmao:     What an idiot.  The whole organization from top to bottom is completely incompetent.  Look at these other small market teams that remain competitive every year.  

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Should have traded him while they could:

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Pittsburgh Pirates all-star pitcher Felipe Vazquez was arrested this morning in Pennsylvania on some truly disturbing charges including solicitation of a 13-year-old girl.

The 28-year-old closer -- considered one of the best pitchers in baseball -- was taken into custody in Pittsburgh stemming from an arrest warrant out of Florida.

Officials say they were investigating allegations Vasquez had a sexual relationship with a 13-year-old girl in Lee County, Florida.

According to officials, the girl, now 15 years old, WAS continuing to have a relationship with Vasquez and had received a video in July from the MLB star performing a "sex act."

Officials say Vasquez also sent the girl text messages suggesting they would meet for sex after the MLB season ended.

Several electronic devices were seized from Vasquez's apartment in Pittsburgh during the investigation.

Officials say Vasquez was arrested on 1 count of "computer pornography - solicitation of a child" and 1 count of "providing obscene material to minors."

Officials say more charges could follow depending on what they find in the continuing investigation.

Vasquez is a 2-time All-Star who was having a great season for the Pirates in 2019. He currently has a 1.65 E.R.A., 28 saves and 90 strikeouts. He signed a 4-year, $22.5 million contract in 2018.

 

 

The good news is that contract will likely be invalidated and Nutting can put all of that money he is saving for bringing in new talent.

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4 hours ago, Godsbrother said:

Should have traded him while they could:

 

The good news is that contract will likely be invalidated and Nutting can put all of that money he is saving for bringing in new talent.

Or just put it in his pocket

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Cole is an absolute stud. Nice return there. 

Maybe if they kept the team together last year and made a move or two, they could have contended. 

Instead they are sellers pre-season and then trade their best prospects for a pitcher on the downswing. Brilliant. 

Meadows at .290 with 32 hr and 88rbi. 

Glasnow 6-1 in 10 starts with 65 strikeouts and a 2.03 era. 

Baz 3-2 in 17 starts with a 2.99 era and 87 strikeouts at A level  

 

WHAT A JOKE

 

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8 hours ago, Leeroy Jenkins said:

Cole is an absolute stud. Nice return there. 

Maybe if they kept the team together last year and made a move or two, they could have contended. 

Instead they are sellers pre-season and then trade their best prospects for a pitcher on the downswing. Brilliant. 

Meadows at .290 with 32 hr and 88rbi. 

Glasnow 6-1 in 10 starts with 65 strikeouts and a 2.03 era. 

Baz 3-2 in 17 starts with a 2.99 era and 87 strikeouts at A level  

 

WHAT A JOKE

 

You would think all these moves would be grounds to fire the GM.  But nobody really cares.

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10 hours ago, Godsbrother said:

The fans care (yes there are a still a few of us left) but Nutting doesn’t give a crap about winning.

i used to go to 15 games a year and even more when I was younger but I haven’t bought a ticket in three years.  I’ve given up hope

When I said “nobody really cares”, I wasn’t talking about the fans.  I was talking about the people who could/should hold NH accountable.  

Cole is an ace (best pitcher in baseball actually).  Glasnow was an ace before his injury and will be an ace next year.  Meadows is one of the best young hitters in the game.  And then they gave up a legit prospect on top of that.  All for a guy who has been pretty bad for several years now. Honestly I can’t think of a worse trade.  He should be gone at the end of the season but the people making that decision don’t give a lick about winning.

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Glasnow pitched 3 innings, 0 ERs with 7 Ks today.  This is his 2nd start coming off a serious injury.  This is against the Boston Red Sox.  That's who we gave up in a package including Meadows and our top pitching prospect for Chris ####### Archer.     :lmao:

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On 9/26/2019 at 8:21 AM, Godsbrother said:

Yep.  Nutting not about to pay Hurdle money for sitting at home AND pay for a new manager.

Hey the Bucs eliminated the Cubs from the post-season last night so we have that going for us which is nice.

I gave up on baseball weeks ago (after I got my 3rd place prize in fantasy).  I had no idea about last night.  That's actually an excellent consolation prize.    :thumbup:

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