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Take in a bunch of Halloween cards, Christmas cards, and fill them out for the next couple of years. Write a book. Create a game. Draw some pictures. Many options.
Ron has good advice and probably has forgotten more about this type of stuff than we will learn. That said, you don't seem to need the money in either case. Your pride is worth more than that.I don't think they have to pay me if I leave.No fing way would I be emasculated in this way. I would only fullfill my two weeks in the same way I did it during my tenure. I wouldn't give them this satisfaction.
Leave, sue them if they don't pay you for the two weeks.
I appreciate your input. I welcome people that can look at it differently. I'm aware that I may not be looking at it from all sides.1) I usually see things differently than most so, take my opinions with a grain of salt.
2) in the grand scheme of things this doesn't matter much at this point in your career. Seems you've decided to stick it to them some way and I get it. It will matter more to you than the company as you reflect on your last weeks there.
My read: You professionally put in your resignation and expected professionalism back. The boss went off the rails and made you feel uncomfortable. You went to HR mistakingly thinking that things would be made easier for you. They don't give a crap about you... they exist to protect the company and keep employees happy enough to work there. HR met with your boss. You were probably thrown under the bus by your boss as she had to protect her reputation/career. Since HR is only concerned about the company and your boss is s still with the company, you are being put in the corner for your remaining time. You forced the matter going to a Dept that has zero consideration for you.
Honestly, what did you expect HR to do?Discipline your boss who is staying with the company? She is part of their future for better or worse. You are not. Couldn't you have just told the boss something like, "I see that you are emotional about this and it's making me uncomfortable. Can we pick this up tomorrow?" Then leave the room since you are quitting and there would be no repercussions anyway?
Of course, I was not there so... Best of luck with this and your retirement.
Amen to this. Despite the boss being an unprofessional nimrod, I wouldn't want to screw over my co-workers by leaving them hanging and having no idea what to do once I am gone.The only way that I would write those SOPs is if you like any of the people that were going to be doing your work. If you don't like those people, I would just walk away. Your boss deserves nothing from you after treating you like crap.
If you are going to write the SOPs, send an email to your boss and copy HR telling her that you will be writing the SOPs from home and will be emailing them to her on your last day.
Agreed. Ridiculous. Employee has to give 2 weeks. Employer can just say eat #### and don't come back and leave you hanging for trying to do the right thing.Great example why 2 weeks notice is such nonsense
All the best dealing with this garbage.
I appreciate your input. I welcome people that can look at it differently. I'm aware that I may not be looking at it from all sides.
I haven't decided to stick it to them. But, I'm not going to be treated like a second class citizen after all the things I've done for them. If that's there intent, then why do they deserve any better.
I reached out to HR due to some of the comments here. I really didn't expect to speak to HR until my exit interview on my last day.
As to the bolded, I did exactly that. When she asked why I was leaving, I actually took the bullet and told her that I may not be the right fit for this position. That someone else may be able to do all the things she was requesting. My staying was just hurting the organization. She then asked for me to elaborate. I said that, "I didn't think it was a good idea. That it was just going to lead to an argument". She then picked up my resignation letter and said it was bull####. I stood up and said that it would be best to have HR present for any further discussions. She began raising her voice. I admitted to raising my voice back at her. I walked 30 feet away to my desk and she came out of her office and yelled across the room at me some more. I gathered my things and left the building.
He's younger. By about 20-25 years.Not an employment attorney...
But .. if they are treating the ither manager who just resigned as well quite differently... gender age etc if that other manager different from you?
No they don't.Agreed. Ridiculous. Employee has to give 2 weeks. Employer can just say eat #### and don't come back and leave you hanging for trying to do the right thing.
FYPThe more you get done the more they give you to do. We call it performance punishment.
Meanwhile the malcontents and lazy idiots geniuses aren’t asked to do more than the absolute minimum.
QUIT TASKING ME WITH MORE THINGS!!Alright, you've earned my follow. Make it interesting
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIqeXSYc8nEI once gave about 2 months notice and was eventually moved out of my sweet office into an internal office with no windows. Me and my buddies had a good laugh about it, but I didn't take it as an insult or personally in any way. They probably want to move you to isolate you from interacting with others in your area, poisoning the waters. It might seem stupid, but is completely normal.
I would ignore 90% of the "advice" here. You want to end it in a way that befits the way you worked during your time there. I can see walking out of a job with a big "FU" if you're a fry cook or other short term menial job, and have done so myself, but this is different. I don't understand people who get satisfaction from acting that way, even if they feel they were somehow mistreated. Its almost always better to take the high road in these situations. Busy, hard-working, quality employees always get more work than others - its the way things are done at every company everywhere across all industries throughout history, under good managers and bad. Let it go and ride off into the sunset with class and dignity. Think about how you'll look back on these couple weeks in the years to come and how you want to remember it and how you want to be remembered.
MANAGE YOUR TIME BETTER AND WE WOULDN'T BE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION!QUIT TASKING ME WITH MORE THINGS!!
The employee handbook doesn't say anything about requiring a doctors note after a certain number of sick days.Ask HR about the sick rules. Follow whatever they say. The 3 day then note thing is pretty standard I think.
Writing out the job duties seems pretty easy so I’d knock those out. Hand them in on the last day.
If the 2 weeks pay thing is an issue if they fire you and try to not pay is it going to be worth the hassle to get the money?
Well, I guess, technically, they don't have to do anything. It's frowned upon not to in all of the fields I've worked in, though.No they don't.
Meh, that kind of thing won't be in a job description and I would also request that of any long term employee that was leaving. As a manger I won't necessarily know all the ins and outs of what my employees are doing, they will be the expert on the details. Now I get that your manager sounds bad so you don't have motivation to write SOPs and I don't blame you. In your situation I certainly wouldn't put a ton of effort into it. I'm not sure if you will have an exit interview or not, but I would probably just be honest and detail the reasons you are leaving in a professional well thought out email to HR. Reiterate they can choose to ignore your observations or use them to help improve the organization.I went back through my job description and there is no mention of writing SOP's. The closest thing is "identifying operational best practices".
Wait... people actually send out Halloween cards?Take in a bunch of Halloween cards, Christmas cards, and fill them out for the next couple of years. Write a book. Create a game. Draw some pictures. Many options.
This is part of the rub. I've streamlined a ton of processes during my time there. But, I did it without any SOPs for help. When I had to get one of the parking lots repaired, nobody even had a blueprint to determine which part was ours and which was the neighbors on each side. I had to hunt down blueprints, zone documents, etc to verify. This is a location that had been open for 6 years before my arrival.And why are these SOPs not already available? Shouldn’t SOPs come first?
In a lot of jobs, employees end up teaching themselves how to do certain things. Especially in positions where there is a lot of mission creep and small tasks, software upgrades/changes, etc. accumulate over time.And why are these SOPs not already available? Shouldn’t SOPs come first?
The bolded is true. I've given a lot to this organization the short time I've been here. When I was promoted, I gave back half of my bump because I didn't want us to become top heavy. I wanted to make sure we didn't have to few people. I've worked evenings and weekends. Did everything that was asked of me. That's probably the reason I'm in this situation. I should have said "no" more often.I once gave about 2 months notice and was eventually moved out of my sweet office into an internal office with no windows. Me and my buddies had a good laugh about it, but I didn't take it as an insult or personally in any way. They probably want to move you to isolate you from interacting with others in your area, poisoning the waters. It might seem stupid, but is completely normal.
I would ignore 90% of the "advice" here. You want to end it in a way that befits the way you worked during your time there. I can see walking out of a job with a big "FU" if you're a fry cook or other short term menial job, and have done so myself, but this is different. I don't understand people who get satisfaction from acting that way, even if they feel they were somehow mistreated. Its almost always better to take the high road in these situations. Busy, hard-working, quality employees always get more work than others - its the way things are done at every company everywhere across all industries throughout history, under good managers and bad. Let it go and ride off into the sunset with class and dignity. Think about how you'll look back on these couple weeks in the years to come and how you want to remember it and how you want to be remembered.
Told you they would try.
I received and email from my boss outlining my tasks over the next 10 days (actually 9, since I took a sick day today). I have 3 locations under the scope of my job description. She is telling me that I will not be working in those locations for the remainder of my time. They are putting me in a cube in the main office. I am to write SOP's for every aspect of my job, send them to her via email, and she will ask for clarification if there is anything she doesn't understand. If I need anything from any of the other locations, I am to stop by and pick them up on my way to the main office.
I think I know my next move. Curious what others think.
This is OK if there is redundancy built into your organization ... where for any given task, two or more people know how to do it competently. Or else it might be reasonable for some tasks that someone sharp can step in and teach themselves quickly.Meh, that kind of thing won't be in a job description and I would also request that of any long term employee that was leaving. As a manager I won't necessarily know all the ins and outs of what my employees are doing, they will be the expert on the details.
You were correct.Told you they would try.
I agree with that, and for my teams I always had someone that could at least perform the tasks, maybe not as efficiently but adequately.This is OK if there is redundancy built into your organization ... where for any given task, two or more people know how to do it competently. Or else it might be reasonable for some tasks that someone sharp can step in and teach themselves quickly.
But if you've got a team of "black boxes" where no one is backed up and no one really knows what anyone else is doing ... that usually leads to trouble before long.
This is/was the issue with my job. I could do everyone else's job in the building adequately. I knew every system. (I have even filled in for a day driving an 18' box truck) That wasn't necessarily by design. It was just a byproduct of the job. So, there are people that should know how to do bits and pieces of my job. However, my boss doesn't have the knowledge or ability to orchestrate them all to achieve results.I agree with that, and for my teams I always had someone that could at least perform the tasks, maybe not as efficiently but adequately.
This is the smart thing to do. There are legit reasons for not keeping people around and as an employer if you don't want to and the employee doesn't want to voluntarily leave early, then you should pay them for the 2 weeks. Eliminates potential lawsuits, UI claims, etc...My place of business rarely keeps people for the full two weeks after they give notice, but based on what I have heard through the grapevine, the ex-workers who were told they could go early still got their full two weeks of pay.
Never before 11 unless your tee time demands it. First cocktail is always before noon.You were correct.
I'm looking for a new life coach. From now on, I will defer to you for all my decision making.
It doesn't pay much. But, since I'm retiring, it will be mostly decisions on what time to get out of bed and at what time should I mix my first cocktail. (I promise not to over task you)
I'd take a long time on the SOP's. Wait for her to ask for them a couple times.The employee handbook doesn't say anything about requiring a doctors note after a certain number of sick days.
I have my list of tasks done already. The SOP's will take two days max. I won't be able to hand them all in on the last day. Her words, "As you write that SOPs, please be as thorough as possible, making sure you write it for someone without any exposure to that process/software. Once you have one completed, please send it to me. I will review and reach back out if I need further clarification"
At this point, it's about the principle. There are some people that I have built relationships with. They are keeping me from having contact with them during my last two weeks. Some have already reached out to me via phone. Others, want to get together for lunch after things settle. They aren't preventing me from having contact with anyone. I think it's kind of funny the amount of overthinking they are doing now. A small percentage of that thinking would have kept them out of this situation in the first place.
Sprinkle in a few sick days while slow playing sending in your SOPs.I was looking through my One Drive and I found an SOP that I started over a year ago for one of the programs I managed.
10 minutes of polish and it should be gtg.
I wonder what they are going to do with me if I finish all their SOP's in one day?
I think she's done this already by removing me from the building. During our "heated" discussion on Friday, after I resigned, there was a hourly associate that walked by us. She told me to ask him to step out of the general office area. She didn't say another word until he did. That's when I knew she was wanting to speak without any witnesses. And when I walked to my desk. She's controlling the narrative at this point. That same hourly associate used to report to me. He called to tell me thanks for all I did for him during my time their. (got him promoted to a lead position). He knows the truth. Hopefully others do too.I'd take a long time on the SOP's. Wait for her to ask for them a couple times.
I'd be very tempted to schedule a lot of doctor's appointments. Sick time where I just call in is probably fair as well (although you kind of are milking that situation if you want to have the total high ground here).
I would also be very tempted to get petty with your boss since she is being crazy here but also wouldn't do anything where she gets to "win" this situation in the eyes of co-workers, HR either for just weeks or so worth of pay. Totally get you want to stick it to her though.
Bottom line is you are out of this situation in 8 days or so. I would do as little as possible, meet up with co-workers for lunch. Drink some coffee, schedule lots of doctors stuff you have been putting off (eye exam, ear's checked, all that stuff you put off...at least I do).
They would have just let him go at that moment if they cared about anything other than him teaching them how to do his job.They're sending you to the main office to finish out your two weeks not to punish you but to prevent you from potentially building more of a harassment case against your boss. It is about HR protecting the company, not punishing you.
I'm also thinking about sticking some random words/sentences into the middle of the SOPs to see if she is really reading them.Sprinkle in a few sick days while slow playing sending in your SOPs.
Man. I believe you said you are retiring so you don't need anything else from this job. Crap situation but I'd just ride it out or leave, resist the urge to try and do anything drastic. People you work with know what's up.I think she's done this already by removing me from the building. During our "heated" discussion on Friday, after I resigned, there was a hourly associate that walked by us. She told me to ask him to step out of the general office area. She didn't say another word until he did. That's when I knew she was wanting to speak without any witnesses. And when I walked to my desk. She's controlling the narrative at this point. That same hourly associate used to report to me. He called to tell me thanks for all I did for him during my time their. (got him promoted to a lead position). He knows the truth. Hopefully others do too.
As far as doing as little as possible, I don't think that's going to work. I'm guessing they are putting me at the main office so somebody can keep an eye on me. If I take 61 minutes for lunch there will probably be someone waiting at the door with a stopwatch.
I do need to have my eyes checked for new glasses. Been putting that off for awhile. And the doctor said I am at the age for a colonoscopy. (not sure that's a win for me.)
I bet this happens to op boss. Hopefully, no matter what happens the OP at least makes it fun for the ffa!She was let go within a year and her career went backwards from there.