George H Bush lied once saying “read my lips no new taxes” and Trump into his 3rd year has only lied about 9000 more times so I see your point.
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Why are President Trump's Tax Returns Important? (1 Viewer)
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The Commish
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I see we got to the "normalize the behavior" stage in here last night...or attempted to anyway. 
Here is the response from Trump's lawyers to the general counsel at the Department of the Treasury, telling him not to turn over Trump's returns. I'm reminded of the old joke, "When the law is on your side, pound the law. When the facts are on your side, pound the facts. And when neither are, pound the table."
Seriously, I'm not a lawyer, so I don't know how strong these arguments are, but whoever wrote this sounds like a real jerk. (Given Trump's past history of sock-puppetry, I might guess he wrote it himself, except that it uses far too many big words.) Also, the writer attempts to establish Neal's lack of a rationale for requesting the returns by citing ... the opinions of two Republican Senators? That's a bold strategy; let's see if it pays off for them.
Seriously, I'm not a lawyer, so I don't know how strong these arguments are, but whoever wrote this sounds like a real jerk. (Given Trump's past history of sock-puppetry, I might guess he wrote it himself, except that it uses far too many big words.) Also, the writer attempts to establish Neal's lack of a rationale for requesting the returns by citing ... the opinions of two Republican Senators? That's a bold strategy; let's see if it pays off for them.
The General
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What did lying politicians have to do with any of this again?
GROOT
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The General
Footballguy
That all people lie seems to be an argument as to why you would want to see an elected officials tax returns, like Hillary did.
urbanhack
Fight The Power!
I don't know. Where in my post did I say that you used the word "public"?
I wasn't aiming to contradict you; the clarification just seemed relevant to the overall discussion.
On a scale of 0 to 100, it's comfortably greater than zero because the citations have proper syntax and stuff. But it's maybe about a twelve? He starts off by calling the relevant statutory language a red herring, and then it doesn't really get any better from there. He suggests that, because there are such things as constitutionally impermissible purposes, the onus is on Neal to establish that his purpose is proper? I don't think that kind of burden-shifting in this context is supported by law. (Also, Neal's statement of his purpose isn't good enough because ... some Republican Senators speculate otherwise?) It's not a good letter.
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supermike80
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Obama 1063 examples of Lying , corruption, hypocrisy, waste etc over 8 years? Has anybody calculated that for Trump? On the lying alone Politico has Trump at over 9000 in less than 3 years. Add in corruption, waste, hypocrisy etc the Donald probably hit that 1063 threshold in 1 month!!
John Blutarsky
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Like I said....they all lie.lazyike said:
supermike80
Footballguy
So you're not sure who said my quote but you know who said that quote?
That's interesting.
yak651
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dkp993
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supermike80
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How do you know it was the early 90s?I didn't pay attention to politics in the early '90s
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
The degree, quantity and magnitude, as a whole, are unmatched in this presidency.
yak651
Footballguy
Well in his defense he did say the lying Trump disgust him...just that all his other words contradict this thought process makes me think he's just saying that and doesn't really mean it.
yak651
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Joe Summer
Footballguy
All politicians lie, but not all politicians are pathological liars.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Well sure the Wright brothers had a plane. The F-35 is a plane. Planes are planes, man.
dkp993
Footballguy
. All I know is I’m tired of the excuses that all politicians lie, especially with Trump, who’s clearly the pinnacle of it. The hypocrisy of Trump supporters pointing fingers about lying is just to thick to swallow. Both sides of the isle are rotten to the core and all that ever happens is one side #####es while the other side is in office. We are the ones in control yet we somehow feel powerless. This madness has to stop.
John Blutarsky
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yak651
Footballguy
Yep, that's why we need a 3rd party but the 2 parties in control will never let that happen. And both sides will say it's the other sides fault while they continue to vote party over country.
Both sides of the isle are rotten to the core and all that ever happens is one side #####es while the other side is in office. We are the ones in control yet we somehow feel powerless. This madness has to stop.
John Blutarsky
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dkp993
Footballguy
Awesome! I look forward to your accountability with our current leadership (you know the ones we can actually do something about).
dkp993
Footballguy
No doubt. But it can, we just need to vote independent and get them the 15% needed to join the national debate. Get that voice out there and ya never know what can happen. 2008 showed us that.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
It's almost as if you could tolerate any form of government, any form of abuse so long as this were true.
John Blutarsky
Footballguy
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
I didn't say Trump had committed abuses - separate discussion - I said you or anyone could justify any abuse using your argument.
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SaintsInDome2006
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Though, in principle, this defiance by the president is itself an abuse of power. There have been others. But again, different point.
sho nuff
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The General
Footballguy
We still talking about all these lying politicians yet somehow totally cool with this guy not showing us his taxes?
Joe Summer
Footballguy
Things were also going well for the most part in our country in 2016.
Every time you try to move the goalposts, you move them to a spot where a Democrat already scored.
You are obviously unfamiliar with the rules of Calvinball. According to the rules that Trump himself just made up five minutes ago, he is winning bigly.
supermike80
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yak651
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supermike80
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Hawkeye21
Footballguy
This comment doesn't really do you many favors. You're basically admitting that you don't care who is President and what kind of person they are as long as things are doing well for the most part.
Sheriff Bart
Footballguy
Before Trump if there was a thread started "Why are President ("X" no party affiliation) tax returns important" there would only be about 15 replies because everyone would that it's a dumb question.
Amused to Death
Footballguy
Isn't that why we're supposed to be draining the swamp? I thought we were tired of the same old politicians? Or was that just a campaign slogan?
yak651
Footballguy
Don't worry, with the next President we'll start concerning ourselves again with deficits, morals, lying, etc. Right now it's like the movie the Purge, but instead of one night it's 4 years of doing whatever you want politically with no repercussions.
The Commish
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"they all lie"....right, a pretty good reason to demand the tax records, no? I feel like I am watching a dog gnaw on it's own tail without even knowing it.
Amused to Death
Footballguy
Republicans: "They're all a bunch of liars! Drain the swamp!!1!"
Also Republicans: "Who needs tax returns, they all lie
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Also Republicans: "Who needs tax returns, they all lie
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The General
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