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2019 NBA Playoffs Thread: Toronto Raptors win NBA title #1.33 (2 Viewers)
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Don't Noonan
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I will admit Golden State is the better team if they win. I hope you are man enough to do the same if Portland wins. I have a feeling you will just make excuses. Prove me wrong.
Do you really think that admitting Golden State is better is some courageous act? It's weird how easily people forget the Warriors were a championship team without KD (who is out g1, probably out g2). They were a Draymond nut kick away from being considered the greatest team in NBA history at that time.
Portland is definitely a tougher out for Golden State than Denver would have been, but Golden State's defense should match up 1000x better against Portland than OKC or Denver was able to do.
I don't even know what type of excuses I could make other than someone else gets hurt or suspended
EYLive
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Looks-wise, Collins has much more to lose. Green's face, on the other hand, looks like a week long battle with explosive diarrhea.
wikkidpissah
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This i don't get. What the hell has he done?! What has he taught ANYone to do? He couldnt help JOke-for or Futz find a game, couldn't integrate Saric into the scheme, has had Embiid & Simmons for three years without developing a 2man game, can't get Embiid to go low nor Simmons to step out. Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln - how'd you like the game? Having once been with Pop gives him a pass on all this?! If he's not the Dubya of ball, he's at least the Joe Biden.
TobiasFunke
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Settle down, man. Pretty much every sports fan who isn't cheering for a defending champion/clear favorite underrates their teams. It's human nature. Unless you're from Boston.you seriously thought Denver was a bad matchup for Portland. You can't even scout your own team correctly
So he underrates his team against Denver (who has never won anything), but thinks they will compete against Golden State (a championship team with or without KD)? That makes absolutely no sense at all.
Juxtatarot
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Question for anyone about that list..Free agency list is crazy deep this year (hoopshype), it's going to be one crazy summer
Some of those career earnings numbers
Horford will opt-in at $30 Million, right?
Edit: Marc Gasol should too at $25.6 million.
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TobiasFunke
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I'm not sure a guy who evaluates squads based on whether the franchise has ever won anything should be casting stones ... but if you want I'd be happy to place some blind wagers on Denver's matchups with Miami and Chicago next season.
Kraft...
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re Horford, the buzz around here is that he wants to stay in Boston and will opt out and sign a 3-4 year deal at less than the $30 per (mid/low 20's). That would give the C's a little more cap wiggle room.
Sure, give me +25 each on Miami and Chicago
I don't know why you are wasting time arguing about this. Denver is not Golden State.
General Malaise
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Who cares? I don't get paid to analyze basketball for a living. I'm just a stupid fan. No, I didn't think Portland could beat Denver. They were the underdogs to start so I wasn't alone in that belief. I doubt they can beat Golden State in this series, but I'm going to root my heart out and give you crap any chance I can because unlike most people here, you have no humility which pairs up nicely with your complete absence of class. Golden State is the best basketball team I've ever seen - yes, better than the Bulls teams. When they are at their best, they are a real treat to watch. I don't hate on them because they are good, I just find it funny that there wasn't a Golden State basketball fan alive until 2012 or whatever. I digress. I offered you $50 and am asking for +390. which is what the books have it at currently. You going to take it or what?
General Malaise
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Capella
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coyote5
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wikkidpissah
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i hear Al could leave for a 3yr from someone else but that's only because if he opts in he can be traded to the Pels.
btw, Kyrie goes, Celts still pretty much maxed if Horford & Baynes opt-in. Because of this, Scary Terry will probably be matched for lack of other PG options
Other likely opt-ins: Harrison Barnes & Valanciunas
hxperson
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General Malaise
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Oh, it's bad schtick. COllin Dowling aka Abe used to throw ridiculous trade idas on here involving Omar Asik. It was either great shtick or the epitome of dopey homerism.He's not on an NBA roster,lost me on this one
TobiasFunke
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If you knew yourself well and made a lot of money betting on sports you would know that the Raps would have gone 8-52 in the other 60 games.
Moe.
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trader jake
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The Nuggets line-up is solid, but I'm not sure they are a definite Challenger in the West moving forward. Millsap is huge for them, but his game is aging fast. Not sure they have enough defense with the young core either. Fun as hell to watch though.
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Gotta disagree on Mama Curry too. The number of times they'll show her and Dell in the stands will probably irritate us all.
Agreed 100%. Green knows how to stay out of foul trouble though. Give Collins another year of experience and another 15 pounds and he's going to surprise some people that are sleeping on his game right now.
Is it legal to have this type of post without mentioning Paul George back to OKC? Notebook updated.
Don't see that myself. Not enough non-Lillard/McCollum shooting to make GSW play their Hampton 5 monster minutes for another series. Plus the Blazers drop coverage defense just won't work against the Splash Brothers. Unless another major injury occurs Portland may be drawing dead in the WCF.
Best guess - Horford opts out to resign for more guaranteed money. With Boston if they can add/keep a star. Elsewhere is he's willing to go after a ring with Kawhi or Durant.
His shot is a concern, but Ben Simmons does not suck. He has every other single skill that a scout would look for. Only real question I have is, "How much does he want it?" I have no idea (nor am I seriously questioning it), but the reality star connection and all that goes with it is impossible to ignore. Harden, among many others, fell for it for a while, and it just seems like a red flag. Also raises issues with him pushing to LA at some point and all the drama that goes with it. Heck, LeBron traded for the guy...after the All-Star draft. lol
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Deamon
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the guy calling me a clown is concerned with class. Hilarious. no, I don't want your $50
You are right. Zero fans before 2012 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jsM-lVfFyg
hxperson
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Insein
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Harris and Butler are expected to resign. This game can of course change but there's been no indication that either are unhappy here or are looking for the door.
Long Ball Larry
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whoknew
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The bolded part is not true. But he's a great coach who has won everywhere. Wanted to test himself at the NBA level before he is done.
Insein
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I like Brown and think he's a good coach but he's not the coach you need for a team looking to win a championship. I don't think he will be fired this year but I feel like a change would be good for the youth of the team. They now can see what they need to do in order to get to the next level and I don't know if Brown is the guy to get them there.
Insein
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TobiasFunke
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I hate to say it but tnc09 is right here. Golden State had a tremendous fan base for a long time. This is from 2011:
Golden State Warriors: The NBA's Most Loyal Fan Base?
Of course most of those fans are not the same people that are in the building these days, and it'll get even worse when they move buildings, and we should definitely make fun of all the dot-com millionaire dooshbags in the lower bowl who don't know Don Nelson from Don Corleone. But once you get past those folks I'd put the real Golden State fans there with Toronto and Portland as the best fans in the league.
Juxtatarot
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So much cap space out there after the season. Clippers and Knicks have two max slots open. Teams with one max slot: Nets, Mavs, Lakers, Pacers, Kings, Jazz, Hawks. Other teams could get there if they lose some of their own FAs.
That is shocking after seeing some of the splits from their series vs Philadelphia
I should have double checked first
modogg
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Maybe, but there has been a lot of talk of him opting out and looking more for a 3 year contract. he is one of the top C's on the market, and considering how many teams have tons of cap space it would make sense for him to shop around a bit. if I were him, signing a multi-year contract would be better considering the wear and tear on his body at this point.
A lot probably depends what really happened on that team this year with the chemistry and multiple issues. Everyone seems to blame Kyrie for all of it, but that is all media doing that, and Terry Rozier. I remember seeing Morris shove Brown on the court in November, so who knows what really is the locker room issue. But I imagine that has to weigh in Horford's decision too
Charlie Harper
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modogg
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you would have to think he at least explores the open market. there is a lot of money out there, and he is top 1 or 2 C on the market. would be silly for him to just resign with Boston when he may get a lucrative deal from some desperate team. it comes down to what he wants with championship aspirations (if Kyrie leaves does he want to stay), how much wear and tear on his body (does he want to play more 4 or 5), and really how he wants to finish his career. Boston is really dependent on him, but if he moved to a team with a good young promising C he could maybe add some years onto his career
Da Guru
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Soulfly3
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well, the whole premise was he wanted to be "home" in LA.... Toronto basically has to win him over with salary (easy), winning (also easy, currently), and the way they kept his body healthy all season long was apparently much appreciated by the player.
If he goes to the clippers, it's legitimately to be home.That's the bottom line.
Da Guru
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As ESPN's Adrian Wojnarowski reported Monday morning, Beilein had "become increasingly frustrated with the nature of college basketball recruiting and the retention of top players to build a program." Let's take those one by one. The FBI investigation that uncovered just how prevalent cheating had become underlined the challenges a by-the-book recruiter like Beilein faced annually. Trust me when I tell you, he won't miss that part of the sport at all.Good god, why?
Meantime, Michigan is losing three starters early to the NBA Draft even though none of them are locks to be selected in the first round. That would obviously be frustrating for anybody -- especially when you consider the Wolverines could've theoretically returned every player from a roster that won 30 games and finished No. 6 last season. Had things broken a certain way, Michigan would've been the 2019-20 preseason No. 1. As it is, the Wolverines are losing their top three scorers -- and now their coach. That's a rough turn of events.
Either way, count me among those with mixed emotions. On one hand, I couldn't be happier for a decent man who started his career as a high school coach and weaved his way through the profession without ever being an assistant for anybody. It really is an amazing climb. I'll personally be rooting for Beilein to succeed. But, on the other hand, this is a big blow for college basketball, and that's unfortunate. In a sport short on people who entered it for the purest of reasons -- not to get wealthy or famous, but simply to teach young people -- Beilein was unique and one of the few coaches you could reasonably trust to mold a quality team, without a hint of rules violations, out of almost any roster. Michigan will definitely miss him. So will college basketball in general.
Being realistic is not being a jackass. People get all upset because I have no problem telling them their team/player isn't that good.
tommyboy
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hell no. one guy can rain jumpers out to 27 ft consistently, the other can't hit 10 footers consistently
Don't Noonan
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