NCCommish
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You need to do more research. The Federalist papers make it clear that obstruction is more than enough for impeachment.
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Don't Noonan
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For month the trump-haters have mocked trump supporters because they believed the trump supporters would not accept the results of the investigation.....
sho nuff
Footballguy
Some don’t seem to accept the actual results. Which is why they keep repeating complete lies about it despite the truth being clearly shown to them.For month the trump-haters have mocked trump supporters because they believed the trump supporters would not accept the results of the investigation.....
Not sure why that’s funny to you.
sho nuff
Footballguy
sho nuff
Footballguy
Actually one of the first ones told me I’m in right. But you seem very interested in a trivial point I made about the word neutral. That’s odd.
BroadwayG
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Don't Noonan
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supermike80
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While I have been pretty adamant I think impeaching President Trump is a waste of time, I have to say the bolded above happens all the time. The prosecution doesn't always have a slam dunk case. They might think they have enough to convict, but obviously that isn't always the case.
So yeah, we are perfectly allowed to go ahead and try anyway, as long as we all stay under the "innocent till proven guilty" protections.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Hint...his post was laughable given the one side talking about the actual results of the investigation and quoting the report are accepting it...the ones lying about it over and over do not.
Cowboysfan8
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sho nuff
Footballguy
Sure it is...do you think my post about the word neutral was some big issue?
And obviously it must interest you as you have commented multiple times about it.
Cowboysfan8
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Mister CIA
Footballguy
This thread played out like a Groundhog Day sequel.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Only I didn’t actually do that...and it was a trivial side point from the start.
But hey...glad you could chime in on this important matter.
John Blutarsky
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sho nuff
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Ruffrodys05
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Can I get a list of the people who you think have not accepted the results of the investigation?For month the trump-haters have mocked trump supporters because they believed the trump supporters would not accept the results of the investigation.....
It seems like most of the anti-Trump people here have accepted the results of the investigation. It is the pro-Trump crowd that is struggling with the actual Mueller report - what it says, and what it means.
On the obstruction charge alone - the results of the investigation show that Mueller found several instances of obstruction, but, per DOJ policy, it is not his place to make that determination. Instead Mueller laid out the facts for congress to wrestle with - consistent with DOJ policy and the constitution.
On the conspiracy charge - Mueller did not establish evidence sufficient to charge anyone with conspiracy - but when you read the facts that were developed, and you see a rather ugly picture (assuming you are pro-American) - of both the Russian efforts, and the Trump campaign willingness to benefit from those efforts directly and indirectly. In any normal times - that alone would be enough to sink a presidency, even without criminal charges. (Imagine if this was President Hillary Clinton's campaign - the right would be apoplectic.)
The Commish
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jonessed
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If Mueller isn’t going to charge him, the DOJ isn’t going to charge him, and a Democratic House isn’t going to impeach him then Trump has, for all intents and purposes, been proven correct.
I’m actually surprised the House isn’t going to impeach him. They are basically just handing him the win. The rest of their antics are meaningless. Not much point in having teeth if you are just continue to drool and gum things.
I’m actually surprised the House isn’t going to impeach him. They are basically just handing him the win. The rest of their antics are meaningless. Not much point in having teeth if you are just continue to drool and gum things.
He's only proven that he knows how to play the system. He was protected by the DOJ saying you can't indict a siting president and being able to handpick an AG who was willing to protect and mislead for him. And knowing there's zero chance that the corrupt Republican senate would ever vote to remove him from office makes impeachment a political gamble. "Handing him the win" is what they fear going through the motions of an impeachment trial will end up doing in 2020.
Trump is even more guilty of crimes now than he was when the report was finished. Every day he continues to obstruct justice by ignoring having his staff ignore subpoenas. He knows that any contempt of congress charges won't be punishable until they go through......you guessed it, his handpicked protector, William Barr. He won. He rigged the system to make him above the law.
jonessed
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He certainly didn’t rig Mueller and he definitely can’t rig the House impeachment process.
Feel free to keep gumming at it though. Maybe add some thrashing about for effect. Just make sure you don’t actually do anything meaningful.
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GoBirds
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rockaction
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SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
This is a really good point, and it's basically the procedural basis for impeaching him. It's Congress' role. Exactly.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
The Russia thread has been pretty interesting with the recent influx of Trumpites IMO because after the Barr letter Trumpites danced, but after the Mueller report investigation supporters pointed to the report while most Trumpites did not return and those that did either undercut the Mueller report or strictly pointed to Barr or just the president if Barr failed them. It's been a demonstration of why Trump wanted that Barr letter and why he wanted his own AG in there.
Rove!
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None of the “incidents” detailed by Mueller amount to obstruction. Barr was probably so embarrassed that his former colleagues would raise such frivolous claims, that he felt compelled to fulfill his role of making a determination. Rosenstein, who once offered to wear a wire, concurred with Barr.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Mueller says otherwise. At least half and maybe as many as 7-8 definitely are. Barr/Trump hang their hat on the unitary executive power theory and that applies to the firing of Comey and Sessions only, even if you accept that at face value.
SaintsInDome2006
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Rove I do find it interesting you think that matters though.
The Commish
Footballguy
This is the new, though completely predictable, talking point. The GOP doesn't care that he TRIED to obstruct justice and was foiled by people simply refusing to do what he said. He wasn't successful so they aren't too concerned about the particulars of those conversations.
Rove!
Footballguy
Raising an issue about a potentisl conflict of interest is not obstruction. Publicly pronouncing your innocence is nit obstruction. Truthfully spinning a statement to the press is not obstruction.
Is obstructing every investigation by refusing to cooperate considered obstruction in your eyes?
Rove!
Footballguy
Mueller got all of the documents he asked for. He interviewed every administration official and campaign official he wanted to. In the case of the President, there is precedent that certain requirements need to be met for a sit down. Mueller settled for the written and it was all done legal and proper.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
No he didn’t, Trump & Jr didn’t interview for starters, and Junior May have taken the 5th.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Rove Trump himself said a refusal to answer by using ‘I don’t recall’ was obstruction, why don’t you stick with that?
The Commish
Footballguy
Nonsense. He refused to be interviewed. Jr. pleaded the fifth. Trump ordered the IRS not to honor the subpoena for his tax returns. He ordered McGahn not to honor the subpoena to testify. Barr is now saying he won't testify unless it's done his way....
The obstruction continues day after day. And you're fine with it?
Rove!
Footballguy
Obstruction would apply to the mueller investigation, nit the wild fantasies of Congress. With respect to Congress, asserting legal rights is not obstruction of justice and that will all be settled in the courts. You are conflating a number of things here.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Why oh why is it that the Trumpites who argue that the president is exonerated refuse to rely on the Mueller report for that point?
So you no longer believe that it's the house of representatives' job to provide oversight to the executive branch? Or only when it could get them in trouble?
The Commish
Footballguy
That was one of the most painful segments I have ever watched on television. At least now, the nation sees what many of us who lived in SC have seen for a really long time.
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