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Steelers' Diontae Johnson: Moving past drop issues

(14 hrs ago) Coach Mike Tomlin said Wednesday that he intends to give Johnson a clean slate after the wideout logged three drops during Sunday's loss to the Bills, Joe Rutter of triblive.com reports.

Tomlin said Johnson "responded appropriately" to being benched in the first half, saying "we will move forward." However, Tomlin also noted that "one of the ways you help a young man work through [issues] is to reduce his number of snaps" when talking about Chase Claypool, a hint that while Johnson's playing time doesn't seem to be in jeopardy for Monday's upcoming tilt in Cincinnati, the Steelers could consider a change if drops continue to be a problem.

 

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Exactly. Except Enron was a disaster for the whole country, Ebron just one in Detroit. 

And then what on 2nd and goal?

Near zero chance he plays this week. He's just not tough enough. 

2 hours ago, humpback said:

Unless he drops a pass on the first play of the game again...

This terrifies me. I've got other options (Landry, R. Anderson, Fournette, Zeke), but all those targets are hard to sit

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I've got some really good other options. Semis, though. I have been correct in my start/sit decision with him about half the time this year. The other times have burned me either in my lineup or on my bench. Maybe I'll bench him and just crush my opponent enough that it won't matter. I could sneak-drop him right before kickoff and get off on a technicality.

What a headache. After his punishment I wouldn't be surprised if they targeted him heavily. This is a flex call for me and am currently leaning solidly towards Hunt instead of Godwin or Diontae. 

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39 minutes ago, turkishkamel said:

This terrifies me. I've got other options (Landry, R. Anderson, Fournette, Zeke), but all those targets are hard to sit

It's a risk, but I don't think you should let it terrify you. Sure, it's the most recent game, but it's the only time it's happened so far this year. 

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I was comfortable letting him get a game under his belt after being put on notice, but now KAllen is trending in the wrong direction and he may be forced back into lineup for me.  Lockett is my other choice and, well, he’s good for a possible stinker too

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Perhaps another vote of confidence here from the OC.


 

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Randy Fichtner says Diontae Johnson had a "hell of a practice yesterday." And he said he believes he'll be more consistent going forward.

And FYI, because practice was moved indoors yesterday and today, media wasn't able to watch.

 

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Trying to decide between him, Godwin, Thielen, and Aiyuk. I can start three of those, need one on the bench.

Totally unsure.

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Benching for Hunt. My opponent in the semis has Claypool, though, and it will be aggravating to be in the clubhouse at the end of the day today when it could be Diontae vs Chase on MNF. I don't think Diontae is a bad play this week by any means, and I am starting him on other squads, but I'm going Hunt here. They could really curb stomp the Giants today. So could the Steelers to the Bengals tomorrow, but if so I like Hunt's outlook better. Tough call. Hoping it won't matter.

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On 12/20/2020 at 11:34 AM, barackdhouse said:

Benching for Hunt. My opponent in the semis has Claypool, though, and it will be aggravating to be in the clubhouse at the end of the day today when it could be Diontae vs Chase on MNF. I don't think Diontae is a bad play this week by any means, and I am starting him on other squads, but I'm going Hunt here. They could really curb stomp the Giants today. So could the Steelers to the Bengals tomorrow, but if so I like Hunt's outlook better. Tough call. Hoping it won't matter.

These are 2 guys that I need to keep deciding between in my PPR flex. This week I picked Diontae over Hunt, thankfully it did not matter this week. Next week looks like it may come down to the same 2 guys for my flex, if things don't look better in the 2nd half I may sit Diontae. Did not think it was heading in this direction.....

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Diontae Johnson caught 8-of-13 targets for 58 yards and one touchdown in the Steelers' Week 15 loss to the Bengals.

It was Johnson's ninth double-digit targets game of the season, and the 13 looks easily paced the team on 38 Ben Roethlisberger throws. He also caught Big Ben's lone touchdown, a 23-yarder in the third quarter, beating the corner in the back right corner of the end zone to get the Steelers on the board after a 17-0 hole. Johnson briefly left with what looked like a foot injury but quickly returned. Johnson will be a WR2 based on volume for Week 16 against the Colts.

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On 12/20/2020 at 8:34 AM, barackdhouse said:

Benching for Hunt. My opponent in the semis has Claypool, though, and it will be aggravating to be in the clubhouse at the end of the day today when it could be Diontae vs Chase on MNF. I don't think Diontae is a bad play this week by any means, and I am starting him on other squads, but I'm going Hunt here. They could really curb stomp the Giants today. So could the Steelers to the Bengals tomorrow, but if so I like Hunt's outlook better. Tough call. Hoping it won't matter.

Won by 1.1 but darned lucky to do so. Nice 0 from Ebron. 

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3 hours ago, Iceman03 said:

This dude sucks. I wish they would target Claypool with this volume. 6.1 yards per target, Larry Fitzgerald 6.0 yards per target. Awful. May as well be high volume targeting Ryan Switzer.

I think you are complaining about the wrong guy.   Ben is the QB not pushing the ball down the field.    Ben was also way off for the entire first half.  

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6 hours ago, Iceman03 said:

This dude sucks. I wish they would target Claypool with this volume. 6.1 yards per target, Larry Fitzgerald 6.0 yards per target. Awful. May as well be high volume targeting Ryan Switzer.

If Claypool got open more often they would. Johnson is the only guy getting any separation. Everything to everyone else(expect maybe the RBs) is contested. Maybe that is because Ben's accuracy(especially deep) hasn't been great lately but Johnson is their best means of moving the ball in the passing game. Even if its a little Welker-like.

 

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6 hours ago, Iceman03 said:

This dude sucks. I wish they would target Claypool with this volume. 6.1 yards per target, Larry Fitzgerald 6.0 yards per target. Awful. May as well be high volume targeting Ryan Switzer.

Dionte is decent, not great. He fits conceptually with the design of the offense, but from a fantasy lens offers mid WR2 upside, more likely landing as a reliable WR3.

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13 minutes ago, Ack88 said:

Dionte is decent, not great. He fits conceptually with the design of the offense, but from a fantasy lens offers mid WR2 upside, more likely landing as a reliable WR3.

Personally I think he's on his way to being great, he's better QB play, health and doing a better job of catching the ball away.

WR2 upside implies he's not been there yet. He's currently WR20 in PPG but that does not really illustrate how good he's done in fantasy because of the 3 early game exits. He averages 18.62 in his 10 full games, that's WR1 upside and would put him as WR6 right now.

As for his game it's helped to some degree by the short passing attack but when you can get open at will, when you are hard to press and run great routes, you work for any systems conception or it's not a good system.

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1 hour ago, travdogg said:

If Claypool got open more often they would. Johnson is the only guy getting any separation. Everything to everyone else(expect maybe the RBs) is contested. Maybe that is because Ben's accuracy(especially deep) hasn't been great lately but Johnson is their best means of moving the ball in the passing game. Even if its a little Welker-like.

 

It's hard to get open while double and triple teamed on deep passes, which was the case last night on several throws to Claypool. Claypool was open on the shorter passes, one which was almost turned into a TD after he broke a tackle. He also was open on a near TD throw in the end zone. 

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5 hours ago, DocHolliday said:

I think you are complaining about the wrong guy.   Ben is the QB not pushing the ball down the field.    Ben was also way off for the entire first half.  

Ya, you’re right. Let me complain about the first ballet HOF’er and not the guy leading the league in drops and barely having a YPT greater than N’Keal Harry.

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10 hours ago, barackdhouse said:

Won by 1.1 but darned lucky to do so. Nice 0 from Ebron. 

I needed 41 more yds or another TD.  That PI late in the endzone was maddening.  Also that first drive over throw that would have gone for 25+ yds (maybe even a score) if Ben hit him in stride.  Season over now.....ugh

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20 minutes ago, Iceman03 said:

Ya, you’re right. Let me complain about the first ballet HOF’er and not the guy leading the league in drops and barely having a YPT greater than N’Keal Harry.

Ben hasn't played anything like a HOF'er lately. Peyton Manning is arguably the best QB to ever play, and he was awful most of his last year, so was Brett Favre.  Roethlisberger is playing maybe the worst football of his career right now. 

To be honest, this last month or so, Ben has looked pretty similar to 2019 Mason Rudolph. Combine that with awful TE play, JuJu being incapable of getting open without pick plays, and Claypool having miscommunication issues, and its no wonder Johnson sees the targets he does. Ben doesn't have the accuracy to go deep right now, and Johnson(even with the drops) is the most reliable guy.

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2 hours ago, menobrown said:

Personally I think he's on his way to being great, he's better QB play, health and doing a better job of catching the ball away.

WR2 upside implies he's not been there yet. He's currently WR20 in PPG but that does not really illustrate how good he's done in fantasy because of the 3 early game exits. He averages 18.62 in his 10 full games, that's WR1 upside and would put him as WR6 right now.

As for his game it's helped to some degree by the short passing attack but when you can get open at will, when you are hard to press and run great routes, you work for any systems conception or it's not a good system.

I hope you are right. He's on my primary league roster. 

I'm still scared about the drops and dings, but if all, as you alluded to above, breaks right, it is in his range of outcomes to be a WR1.

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1 hour ago, Iceman03 said:

Ya, you’re right. Let me complain about the first ballet HOF’er and not the guy leading the league in drops and barely having a YPT greater than N’Keal Harry.

Johnson definitely has hands issues but someone has to stay within 5 yards of Ben and his toasted arm.    2020 Ben is nowhere close to HOF Ben.    Johnson gets open and even avoided the drops last night.   

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Everyone is already discussing durability and mental consistency, both of which I agree are primary barriers to solidifying his value. But I also wonder (as @travdogg mentioned) about the QB situation. If Ben comes back next season then that’s another year of delaying a transition that probably needs to happen. Ben won’t be so bad that they’ll get a high pick, and not good enough to threaten the field beyond short to intermediate passing, so Johnson could be valuable in ppr based on accumulation but that seems like best case. Then we’re hoping for maybe a later pick hitting at QB or a good FA acquisition. Claypool is in the same boat. 

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Diontae Johnson caught 3-of-4 receptions for 96 yards in the Steelers' Week 17 loss to the Browns. 

With Mason Rudolph at the controls, one of Johnson's targets was a season-long 47-yard reception. He closes the book on the regular campaign with a sterling 88/923/7 line. It's surprising that Johnson emerged as one of the league's top compilers this season, though he enters the postseason as Pittsburgh's clear-cut No. 1 wideout. Also amongst the league's drop leaders, Johnson will need a clean performance for Pittsburgh's Browns rematch in the Wild Card Round. 

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Diontae Johnson caught 11-of-16 targets for 117 yards in Pittsburgh's Wild Card beatdown from the Browns.

Even in frustratingly leading the league in drops (10) and battling multiple injuries mid-game throughout the year, Johnson added to his resume by finishing with a team-high in targets (144) and receiving yards (923) across 15 appearances. Pittsburgh’s third-round pick last season, 2020 was already Johnson’s second time to lead his team in receiving in as many years. His opportunities through the air ranked eighth in the league, falling 22 shy of Stefon Diggs’ NFL-leading mark (166). With JuJu Smith-Schuster set to hit the market as an unrestricted free agent, Johnson is a terrific bet to again lead the Steelers in targets across from Chase Claypool in 2021. Ben Roethlisberger’s contract, which the organization could choose to part with this spring, will ultimately dictate how high Johnson should be valued in offseason fantasy drafts.

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