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“Bad enough to knock him out of an entire game” seems to be an accurate assessment for the time being, no?Do you know the extent of his injury? I don’t.
“Bad enough to knock him out of an entire game” seems to be an accurate assessment for the time being, no?Do you know the extent of his injury? I don’t.
Never said it was.Is it a long term issue? People jack up their back and recover. Obviously this could be a long term issue but maybe we should, you know have that information before determine whether it is or not.
See, this is what I’m saying. You also don’t trust him. That’s not “overreacting” or framing a narrative. It’s a simple fact.If he’s healthy I’ll play him depending on his matchup and the matchups of my other options.
It is 100% accurate to say that back injuries are bad, often linger, and are easy to recur when healed.Unless it’s specific to Johnson, no thanks.
I just want accuracy.
I think this is a fair assessment & strategy.While watching you two go back and forth is entertaining, I’m still not starting Johnson until he finishes a game. For whatever reason, Johnson has been hurt too often for my taste this season. I’m not trading him because he is a WR2 if he plays a full game.
I didn’t make up a concussion, I misread a post. And I immediately corrected it and said my bad for that. Twice.That’s fine - we all have our own comfort levels. I just didn’t like some of the inaccuracies I was hearing - especially making up a concussion. Him leaving two games isn’t predictive of him missing any more games but you have to do what works for you.
These message boards don’t work if we get false claims being presented as fact. Like he’s left 3 out of 4 games when it’s been 2.
I'm not trying to gang up on you here but really? No more fear than any other player?If he’s healthy I have no more fear than I would have with any other player of him getting knocked out of the game.
Yes. I don’t think the fact he left two games early this season is predictive of what will happen going forward. Why I said “if healthy” was because I have no idea how bad this back injury was. So I’m obviously not going to start him if he’s out or even if he’s a game time decision (which would be the case with most players, provided I had options). But if he’s practicing all week (except for his usual Wednesday rest days), then I will start him. I also said depending on matchups because I don’t start him every week since I have good WR depth, I generally play matchups. I’m not even sure who Pittsburgh plays this week.I'm not trying to gang up on you here but really? No more fear than any other player?
Also I have to admit I giggled when you said "if he's healthy" because he's literally never been healthy in his career.
If we are going to take that statement at it's literal word I would not put him in something like Tom Brady category who's had to leave one game in his whole career. So there are other players I would fear leaving a game less to be sure.I'm not trying to gang up on you here but really? No more fear than any other player?
So if he's limited all week or DNP due to a back injury, that wouldn't be in is profile that would cause more concern than any other player?but I truly see nothing in his profile that leads me to believe he's more prone then the normal player instead of just having had a bad two games of luck.
I would apply the same what if game to the average NFL player and my answer would be the same for all of them.So if he's limited all week or DNP due to a back injury, that wouldn't be in is profile that would cause more concern than any other player?
Like over-reacting and over-hyping trash can Jarvis Landry?The over-reactions on this board are hysterical at times.
100 yd games
Diontae Johnson has poor YAC skills?100 yd games
Diontae Johnson - 0
Chase Claypool - 1
Yet you guys act like he’s a top 30 WR. He’s a WR who is unathletic and makes his bones at the LOS with poor YAC skills. He should have been a pass in the 7th, 8th round this offseason and he’s hardly a hold or buy right now.
For me, I was excited about the idea of what Dionte could do this season with the full attention of Big Ben. The first few weeks DJ was peppered with plenty of targets, but didn’t do much to capitalize. However, I felt his value was still there based on his high volume and market share, but what he did with them was pretty underwhelming. Injuries aside.100 yd games
Diontae Johnson - 0
Chase Claypool - 1
Yet you guys act like he’s a top 30 WR. He’s a WR who is unathletic and makes his bones at the LOS with poor YAC skills. He should have been a pass in the 7th, 8th round this offseason and he’s hardly a hold or buy right now.
I apologize to everyone for my role and I deleted most of my garbage posts to make it easier to read.Worst. Thread. Ever.
Ok - from that perspective I get where you were going. I don’t agree with all your points but if your main point was Claypool is a better overall talent and will be a better fantasy asset than Johnson, I wouldn’t necessarily disagree with that. The only pick I had in one league, the 2.11, became Claypool so I’m a fan of his also.100 yd games
Diontae Johnson - 0
Chase Claypool - 1
Yet you guys act like he’s a top 30 WR. He’s a WR who is unathletic and makes his bones at the LOS with poor YAC skills. He should have been a pass in the 7th, 8th round this offseason and he’s hardly a hold or buy right now.
Yea, tells you all you need to know.Diontae Johnson has poor YAC skills?
Yikes!
That's fine - we all have different levels of how we deal with perceived risk. My main point is that Johnson leaving two games isn't predictive of what will happen going forward.DocHolliday said:While watching you two go back and forth is entertaining, I’m still not starting Johnson until he finishes a game. For whatever reason, Johnson has been hurt too often for my taste this season. I’m not trading him because he is a WR2 if he plays a full game.
Yes - Big Ben is the biggest beneficiary of all the options in the Pitt passing game.The Steelers receivers as a unit, feels like chasing points week to week. I didnt even try to get Claypool because I knew someone else in my league would over pay for him......I'm holding DJ hoping he can get healthy and have some value.
Steelers coach Mike Tomlin said Diontae Johnson (back) will begin the week limited at practice.
Johnson's participation throughout the week will determine whether or not he's available on Sunday, though it doesn't sound like his injury is too serious. With 15 targets the past two games, Chase Claypool's usage alongside Johnson is still to be determined (and in limbo given Johnson's status). Claypool remains a commodity on waiver wires since it's still possible Johnson sits in Week 6.
SOURCE: Dale Lolley on Twitter
Oct 13, 2020, 10:02 AM ET
Facts.Yes - Big Ben is the biggest beneficiary of all the options in the Pitt passing game.
He’s on pace for it.Facts.
Big Ben is the real winner here. Roethlisberger may hit 40+ TDs this year.
I think DJ will have the Brown role and be the Steelers #1 WR with JSS and Claypool sharing weeks as the #2 pending match ups. The Steelers early season WR usage seemed to suggest this is their plan.BobbyLayne said:ROS seems like its gonna be week to week trying to figure out if it's a Claypool, Johnson or Smith-Schuster week. Likely plenty of targets to support two but not too many weeks will all three be in double digits (PPR.) None of them really have the makings of a WR1 in FF this year.
If I had to guess I'd say we're looking at WR20-25, WR25-30 and WR30-35
Fight me
- JSS
- Claypool
- DJ
This could certainly be the case, but could Claypool be forcing himself into the mix more with his play? DJ's never had anything like what Claypool did last week. Rooting for DJ but have no idea how this is going to play out...I think DJ will have the Brown role and be the Steelers #1 WR with JSS and Claypool sharing weeks as the #2 pending match ups. The Steelers early season WR usage seemed to suggest this is their plan.
I agree with your thought process. Looks like all three should be considered to be WR3 moving forward with any one of them capable of putting up WR1 numbers on occasion. Don’t think predicting the big weeks is possible unless Johnson continues to be injured.BobbyLayne said:ROS seems like its gonna be week to week trying to figure out if it's a Claypool, Johnson or Smith-Schuster week. Likely plenty of targets to support two but not too many weeks will all three be in double digits (PPR.) None of them really have the makings of a WR1 in FF this year.
If I had to guess I'd say we're looking at WR20-25, WR25-30 and WR30-35
Fight me
- JSS
- Claypool
- DJ
But things sure have changed now that Claypool has gotten more looks. I'm sure the Steelers will want him much more involved in the passing game.I think DJ will have the Brown role and be the Steelers #1 WR with JSS and Claypool sharing weeks as the #2 pending match ups. The Steelers early season WR usage seemed to suggest this is their plan.
Also keep in mind that Ben locks on to receivers. He force fed AB and Juju before, so if he now is in love with Claypool...But things sure have changed now that Claypool has gotten more looks. I'm sure the Steelers will want him much more involved in the passing game.
WR3 and the infinite melancholy of sadnessI agree with your thought process. Looks like all three should be considered to be WR3 moving forward with any one of them capable of putting up WR1 numbers on occasion. Don’t think predicting the big weeks is possible unless Johnson continues to be injured.
Pretty much how I see it as well.I think DJ will have the Brown role and be the Steelers #1 WR with JSS and Claypool sharing weeks as the #2 pending match ups. The Steelers early season WR usage seemed to suggest this is their plan.
He's glass so you will. Wind blows hard enough and his back hurts.Love it. I come to the DJ thread for uplifting projections about him becoming the WR1 in Pittsburgh.
Just hoping I'm not still popping in here week 14 for the same reasons.
Yeah I'm like the exact opposite at least until he became injury prone. When I watch him I'm like "He looks just like AB when he plays".interesting thought processes going on here
Johnson will be limited in practice this week per Tomlin - great matchup but in my view he's the one you cannot trust at this point
I don't see how anyone could think Diontae is the guy
but I guess that's why it's such an interesting hobby
Simply the stages of grief for those who thought they stole the Pitt/Ben WR1 in round five; and also from those who thought they stole from those who thought they drafted the Pitt/Ben WR1 in round five by drafting the actual Pitt/Ben WR1 in round 12. All the while, the real thieves were the Steelers themselves who drafted the true Ben WR1 in round 2 of the NFL draft.interesting thought processes going on here
Obviously you didn't draft him is the likely answerHonest question. Why is everyone so ready to anoint this guy as the Steelers #1WR? He’s played in 18 games and has yet to have a 100 yard game. While JuJu has already shown what he can do and the rookie put up a 100 yard game in his 4 game (with very limited opportunity in his first 3 games). What makes Johnson so much better than the other two? I’m just not seeing it.
Damn, that's meta.Simply the stages of grief for those who thought they stole the Pitt/Ben WR1 in round five; and also from those who thought they stole from those who thought they drafted the Pitt/Ben WR1 in round five by drafting the actual Pitt/Ben WR1 in round 12. All the while, the real thieves were the Steelers themselves who drafted the true Ben WR1 in round 2 of the NFL draft.
Agreed. Too bad I already have himDJ is a table pounding buy low if this thread is any indication.
Not really because owners still believe.DJ is a table pounding buy low if this thread is any indication.
Slayton was a "buy low" last week.Not really because owners still believe.
In my experience, it takes 3 things for a buy-low:
1. commodity diminishing in perceived, but not actual value
2. Prospective buyers remaining convinced the currently perceived value is lower than actual value
3. True believers losing faith in actual value, believing in perceived value.
it’s that 3rd one that likely hasn’t yet happened. Maybe if he’s limited all week and either misses week 6, or worse plays week 6 & has yet another early exit, those true believers will start to lose faith.
Of course then prospective buyers will also start to wonder if perception = reality, in which case they’re not buying low, they’re simply “buying”.
This logic applies to redraft. It’s way premature to expect dynasty owners to lose faith this quickly, but it never hurts to ask.
Lather, rinse, repeat about every 3-4 weeks (or when they play a secondary as inept as the Cowboys secondary has looked)Slayton was a "buy low" last week.