Before last week, he was 5th in the league in routes run, and 16th in targets. The production didn't match the metrics. Freeman is just good enough right now too to give the defense a little something to think about, without being a total target vacuum like Barkley. I'm not saying that we're talking about a WR1 here, but wouldn't shock me at all if Slayton finishes around WR20.
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WR Diontae Johnson, CAR (4 Viewers)
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Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Just the definition of a "buy low"
With DJ you might actually be paying exactly for what you're getting.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Ah - got it. Yeah, there’s often a narrow window to “buy low”. Likewise with “selling high”Just the definition of a "buy low"
With DJ you might actually be paying exactly for what you're getting.
if you’re right about either, one would expect to not be able to do either for very long, as those expected risers or fallers will have risen or fallen.
I still think Slayton is prone to wild swings in production, with a high ceiling/low floor, making him also a “buy at actual value” guy, but we all have our takes on that.
Grid71
Footballguy
There we have it. It’s sell high for some owners thinking Diontae will get injured and over shadowed by the new shiny #11.
I would look at this as a good time to float an offer because even with Claypool, Diontae should still get a ton of targets. He is too good at getting separation. In fact, Claypool could actually help him by drawing coverage elsewhere.
I literally just laughed out loud!AWESOME! Another semantics debate about the definition of "buy low" - CANT WAIT!
I think I read an article that he creates the most separation per target in the league, actually.
DocHolliday
Footballguy
I don’t think many question his talent. It’s the repeat injuries and all the mouths to feed in Pittsburgh that is concerning. First, Johnson has to finish a game. Secondly, he needs to receive a decent amount of targets.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
I don’t think you read that recently though - he’s around 15th rn
For the season he’s at 3.4, which is a respectable number (though misleading as a stand alone metric)
I mean per NextGen Gabriel David & Olamide Zaccheaus creates more average separation
Lots of very good to elite WRs create less separation but understand leverage - they win 50/50 balls on body control, positioning & sheer strength
Drunken Cowboy
Footballguy
Milkman
Footballguy
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
probably, I’m sure it was true at some point
as someone else pointed out, no one is denying he has some talent
but he’s also not AB just because he’s little & went to a MAC school (ironically the guy trashing made the comp pg 1)
hope he gets healthy in a few weeks, will be good for everyone if he does
Milkman
Footballguy
Looks just like him when he plays. AB is a great comp. Now can he get lucky and stay healthy like AB did for basically 5 straight years......that's the million dollar question.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Probably good news if they play the 49er, as I’m pretty sure they’ve suited up the medical staff to play DB at this point. Warm bodies.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
LawFitz
Footballguy
Health/durability is a lot less a matter of luck than most here care to believe. Some guys take better care of their bodies/nutrition. Others know how to subtly dodge the biggest hits. Some are very good at body control/balance and don't fall quite as hard. Others are just made of genetic steel. And the most durable have some combo of all of the above. Don't get me wrong, there is obviously some luck involved too. But not nearly close to all.
Best indicator, I would guess is past history, but then you still have the Frank Gores who bust up multiple times early, then become utter tanks later. Without having some regression analytics to lean this into, I'd suspect Frank would prove to be the rare exception to a general rule that past history is the best single indicator of injury proclivity. If true, that doesn't bode well for your man-crush turned turnip.
Milkman
Footballguy
Buck Bradcanon
Footballguy
I know all the back and forth in here but going to be hard to trot him out if you have another decent option. Then watch he goes ham. Ugh..
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
My wr problem from day one. Is he healthy? Should I play a lesser wr that is healthy? Start, bench, or waiver wire?
DocHolliday
Footballguy
Worth holding for a couple of weeks but I don’t feel comfortable starting him. Let’s see if he can get healthy, get on the field, and stay on the field.Leroy Hoard said:
turkishkamel
Footballguy
And owners everywhere adding Claypool to their starting lineup
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Sounds like something bought at a high priced mall. Nice to look at until it breaks a week later.
The Frankman
Footballguy
Backs can be really tricky, you hope it's not a longterm nerve issue with him...
unless you're the Claypool owner apparently.
unless you're the Claypool owner apparently.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I tried telling folks this and was lambasted for it since I didn’t know the specifics of Dionte’s injury.
The fact is back injuries are among the most difficult to predict the outcome for, and can be aggregated merely by sleeping wrong, much less taking a hit from an NFL LB or S.
I said it before, I’ll say it again. He’s a hard player to trust right now.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
If it's just spasms, it can also heal up and be of no further issue real quickly.
Dealt with them a few times in my young hockey playing days. Would go for a few days feeling like I might never be able to move comfortable again, to playing in a week.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
Clarity is nice
What’s the basis for this statement about the Steelers being hush hush about it or being out several weeks? They said he has a back injury and it must be significant enough that he’s been ruled out early. What more would you expect at this stage? A copy of his medical file?
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Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
This is why I said hard to trust.
I suffered back issues for 6 months. Almost had surgery for a slipped but stable L5. The cortisone shot finally knocked out the inflammation.
But by nature back injuries can be debilitating. it makes it difficult to trust.
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
bolldpt
Footballguy
DocHolliday
Footballguy
In small leagues, is he droppable if not playing next week? Can’t imagine anyone wants him in a trade in redraft.
dipandglide
Footballguy
Sammy Watkins, move over, there is a new sherrif in town!
That would have to be a really small league. Still a lot of reason to think Johnson is the Steelers #1 WR.
I think he's arguably the best buy-low in redraft right now, at least among non-elite guys.
He still leads the team in targets despite basically missing 2 games, he's their best route runner, and best RAC WR.
If I were ranking it as everyone is healthy, its Johnson>JuJu>Claypool, and if Claypool stays hot, I think its at JuJu's expense, not Johnson's.
I feel like we've been through this already with the Steelers with Conner, when people were ready to write him off after week 1, when he underachieved and got hurt, and Snell looked good in his absence. Johnson feels like a potential stud WR(especially in PPR) in the 2nd half of the season.
I'm not saying Johnson will 100% be the #1, but there is no reason to think he won't be, and he clearly was when healthy so far. Considering what else has been said in this thread, and in Claypool's, Johnson feels like an obvious buy-low for pennies on the dollar.
KingPrawn
Footballguy
Wake me up when any WR has the kind of game Claypool had last week...
Wake me up when Claypool has the kind of game Claypool had last week...
