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Please explain.
Just another way companies are double dipping to make customers cover their expenses.Please explain.
WTF does this mean?It's the wage the company pays to have a driver.
Am I still expected to tip at the same rate?It's not a tip. It's the wage the company pays to have a driver. Plus whatever extra the company wants to milk out of it.
You don't have to tip anything. No one's forcing you.Am I still expected to tip at the same rate?
Companies, like Domino's for example, add on that fee as a direct way to pay for the driver.WTF does this mean?
So the driver has already been paid and an additional tip is unnecessary?Companies, like Domino's for example, add on that fee as a direct way to pay for the driver.
I tip the hell out of pizza drivers. You bring me food when my drunk ### can't drive somewhere to get it myself, you're damn right you're getting some extra cash.Pay a good tip you cheap bassturds. Those guys work hard for little dough, and it hurts nobody tip a guy well.
Arguing over semantics about tipping is just cheap and petty talk. All you guys who won’t tip out of principle should be ashamed of yourselves.
Help your fellow man for crissakes.
Nope. However, if I normally tip $5 and the delivery fee is $3, the driver is only getting an additional $2. I really hate companies that do this. Makes you feel like you're stiffing the delivery guy.So the driver has already been paid and an additional tip is unnecessary?
The practice is 100% archaic and many countries have progressed beyond it.Just another way companies are double dipping to make customers cover their expenses.
The whole tip driven employment scheme is such a scam. The idea that it will lead to better service is just an excuse for companies to make you pay for their employees. I just got back from New Zealand where service people are paid real wages and tips are truly optional and service was 10x better than what it is here in the States.
Then of course, you get these sorts of replies from people that completely miss the point, and want to shame others into their backwards mindset.Pay a good tip you cheap bassturds. Those guys work hard for little dough, and it hurts nobody to tip a guy well.
Arguing over semantics about tipping is just cheap and petty talk. All you guys who won’t tip out of principle should be ashamed of yourselves.
Help your fellow man for crissakes.
What?Nope. However, if I normally tip $5 and the delivery fee is $3, the driver is only getting an additional $2. I really hate companies that do this. Makes you feel like you're stiffing the delivery guy.
I'm all for a living wage and no tipping, just know the price of everything is going up and you're going to end up paying about the same anyway.The practice is 100% archaic and many countries have progressed beyond it.
Then of course, you get these sorts of replies from people that completely miss the point, and want to shame others into their backwards mindset.
Absolutely, and I hope establishments pledge to allocate 100% of that increase to staff.I'm all for a living wage and no tipping, just know the price of everything is going up and you're going to end up paying about the same anyway.
Plenty of other countries pay their servers a real wage and pizza delivery places were doing fine before they started charging delivery fees.I'm all for a living wage and no tipping, just know the price of everything is going up and you're going to end up paying about the same anyway.
To be perfectly clear--I am just speculating based on being the manager of a business. When I have an employee that I need to ask to run a delivery--it costs our business a lot more than if a customer comes to us. If I have to send an employee out-- it costs far more payroll (lets say the delivery takes a total of 30 minutes round trip) versus the employee time it would take if the customer came to us, it also costs the business the mileage fees that are owed to that employee, as well as the insurance costs associated with the liability of having an employee driving around.Please explain.
He must hate America.Why do you want the CEO to take a pay cut?!?!
Customers are the ones paying for employees no matter what.Just another way companies are double dipping to make customers cover their expenses.
The whole tip driven employment scheme is such a scam. The idea that it will lead to better service is just an excuse for companies to make you pay for their employees. I just got back from New Zealand where service people are paid real wages and tips are truly optional and service was 10x better than what it is here in the States.
Would you agree the corporate pizza joint offering delivery likely gets a much larger market share versus the local mom and pop that doesn’t?To be perfectly clear--I am just speculating based on being the manager of a business. When I have an employee that I need to ask to run a delivery--it costs our business a lot more than if a customer comes to us. If I have to send an employee out-- it costs far more payroll (lets say the delivery takes a total of 30 minutes round trip) versus the employee time it would take if the customer came to us, it also costs the business the mileage fees that are owed to that employee, as well as the insurance costs associated with the liability of having an employee driving around.
If you look at a pizza joint---a customer that places a $25 order for carryout versus a customer that places the same order for delivery is going to result in vastly different profit margins for the restaurant. The driver getting "tips" is not going to change or effect that profit margin discrepancy for the business itself. The delivery fee is just the businesses/restaurants way of recouping their physical costs of delivery.
Delivery fees rarely, if ever, go to the driver.Companies, like Domino's for example, add on that fee as a direct way to pay for the driver.
I meant in that the company is getting paid for the cost of a driver plus whatever convenience fee they feel they can get away with. $3 a delivery for a 3-4 mile round trip that has 4-5 stops covers the companies cost of having to pay whatever low wage they are giving the drivers. The drivers get screwed because they have to pay their own gas.Delivery fees rarely, if ever, go to the driver.
Is this a corporate thing? None of the local places we order from do this. This fee wouldnt influence that behavior, but it would get me to pause before ordering when I'm out of town.Plenty of other countries pay their servers a real wage and pizza delivery places were doing fine before they started charging delivery fees.
Profits.I have no idea what that money is for or where it goes.
Just get an electric bike and you can go to it.I'm in NYC, so eliminate the car and gas/etc from the equation...almost all guys on electric powered bikes. We use seamless delivery app service for all our takeout, where it leaves an option to tip (autopopulated @20% which we change to 10, depending on the weather).
Lately we've noticed some restaurants have put in the delivery charge...upwards of 5 bucks. Given the bicycles and close proximity, I have no idea what that money is for or where it goes...also makes a small order turn into a why bother order, so we eliminate the restaurants that do this from our roster of go-tos. Sucks though, because one of them was a go-to.
How would you tip an Amazon delivery?Always tip delivery drivers 20% (or more), you bums. Pizza, Chinese, Amazon, whatever. Those people are working hard while you're at home, sitting on your biscuit.
Sorry, I'm talking Prime Now, not the normal Amazon deliveries. My bad.How would you tip an Amazon delivery?
Didn't even know that was a thing!Sorry, I'm talking Prime Now, not the normal Amazon deliveries. My bad.
I always carry at least some cash. Always tip in cash. Because you never know.If I tip in the door dash app the company screws the driver and takes part of the money. Not cool
Same here with waitresses. Even if I pay with a card.I always carry at least some cash. Always tip in cash. Because you never know.
I dont despise tipping. I actually prefer it.I despise tipping. Just pay people a suitable wage like every other damn profession.
It's really just tipping the company at that point. Not the driver.I dont despise tipping. I actually prefer it.
What i despise is the attempt to expand tipping.
I thought that's what the tip was for?It is a fee you pay for having food brought to you as opposed to going to pick it up
My time and convenience is usually well worth the few bucks.
This has already been covered. It costs the pizza place more to deliver you a pizza than it does if you go pick it up. This includes the base wage for the driver, insurance, vehicle/mileage etc. The fee shouldn't really be that hard to understand.I thought that's what the tip was for?
How is that different from any other service a company provides that they have an employee for? If they're including the cost of that service in the fee then why am I also expected to tip?This has already been covered. It costs the pizza place more to deliver you a pizza than it does if you go pick it up. This includes the base wage for the driver, insurance, vehicle/mileage etc. The fee shouldn't really be that hard to understand.
The tip is for the driver himself.
Even if we did away with tipping, as the discussion has moved in that direction, the delivery fee might still exist because of the added cost it represents to the restaurant vs. walk-in business.
This is why every pizza chain now advertises cheap "walk-in specials" now too.
I still don't see how any of that applies to NYC delivery guys on bicycles... But I know the metropolitan markets might be a different niche.This has already been covered. It costs the pizza place more to deliver you a pizza than it does if you go pick it up. This includes the base wage for the driver, insurance, vehicle/mileage etc. The fee shouldn't really be that hard to understand.
The tip is for the driver himself.
Even if we did away with tipping, as the discussion has moved in that direction, the delivery fee might still exist because of the added cost it represents to the restaurant vs. walk-in business.
This is why every pizza chain now advertises cheap "walk-in specials" now too.
Except we don't live in other countries, so the servers and delivery drivers in the good old USA are working under the conditions of our country.The practice is 100% archaic and many countries have progressed beyond it.
Then of course, you get these sorts of replies from people that completely miss the point, and want to shame others into their backwards mindset.
Firstly, delivery fees are a relatively new thing. They didn't exist 15 years ago. Pizza places wouldn't be what they are if they didn't deliver. It's a cost of doing business that they're now attempting to pass on to the customer, no different than the crummy #####bags that charge extra if you pay with a credit card.This has already been covered. It costs the pizza place more to deliver you a pizza than it does if you go pick it up. This includes the base wage for the driver, insurance, vehicle/mileage etc. The fee shouldn't really be that hard to understand.
The tip is for the driver himself.
Even if we did away with tipping, as the discussion has moved in that direction, the delivery fee might still exist because of the added cost it represents to the restaurant vs. walk-in business.
This is why every pizza chain now advertises cheap "walk-in specials" now too.
How is it different than paying for toppings on a pizza? There's a cost to putting pepperoni and bacon on your pizza, so you pay more for it than you do for the cheese pizza. Delivery is the same thing.How is that different from any other service a company provides that they have an employee for? If they're including the cost of that service in the fee then why am I also expected to tip?
The guy on the bike isn't getting paid and isn't insured?I still don't see how any of that applies to NYC delivery guys on bicycles... But I know the metropolitan markets might be a different niche.
There's a service fee for putting toppings on your pizza?How is it different than paying for toppings on a pizza? There's a cost to putting pepperoni and bacon on your pizza, so you pay more for it than you do for the cheese pizza. Delivery is the same thing.
There's a fee to offset the added cost.There's a service fee for putting toppings on your pizza?
Yes. It's usually $.50 to a dollar more at some places for toppings.There's a service fee for putting toppings on your pizza?