Fantasy Football - Footballguys Forums
Welcome to Our Forums. Once you've registered and logged in, you're primed to talk football, among other topics, with the sharpest and most experienced fantasy players on the internet.
2019-20 NBA Thread: new forum, same great taste (9 Viewers)
- Thread starter Capella
- Start date
Deamon
Footballguy
Desert_Power
Footballguy
The Gator
Footballguy
I am fine with however the NBA goes here.
But, I think many NBA players just might be willing to walk out of the bubble altogether.
And, where does that leave the NBA? Its a delicate balance, that nobody is quite prepared to figure out in an instance.
And, if we are talking about forfeits, we are missing the bigger picture here - America is coming apart at the seams. We need to figure out how to address some very serious issues without simply paying lip service.
Deamon
Footballguy
Ted Lange as your Bartender
Footballguy
Historically maybe, but the current face of the league has been very vocal on this issue
Ilov80s
Footballguy
They certainly do. They have a much better contract, there are less players and they are less replaceable. Also, they are much wealthier with longer careers so missing paychecks isn't as big of a deal.
Don't Noonan
Footballguy
Reaching into the car for a possible weapon defying police orders is completely stupid and officers I believe have authority to shoot
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Good. There was with the Lions too but we create our own little bubbles. I wouldn't be following the type of people who would hate tweet. But I saw a lot of the players responding back and expressing frustration with some of the really nasty things said.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
What can the NBA do? I assume all they can do is wait for the players to say they’re ready.
mr. furley
Footballguy
eh, i'd bet it's far, far, far less than 100%.
you have fans who quit watching and supporting the GREEN BAY PACKERS because players knelt.
Wisconsinites care far less about the Bucks and this is a team quitting pre-game, not just kneeling. social media is going to be ablaze with "i quit the NBA!" and "#### the Bucks!"
Don't Noonan
Footballguy
Capella
Footballguy
Deamon
Footballguy
Like hell they don't. It's a bold move for sure, but if they packed up to go home and boycott the rest of the season then I'd agree. But they won't, nor will the league count the game as a loss. It's actually an absolute no risk move.
If they really don't care, then they will leave the bubble.
whoknew
Footballguy
I think they can be more aggressive than that. I know they have been pro-active in messaging. But maybe they start a lobbying effort? Or a charitable effort?
I'm not totally sure - completely spitballing. But I bet the NBA can team with the players to form ... some organization that helps.
-fish-
Footballguy
-fish-
Footballguy
What is the message that you send by postponing a game for a couple days? "I'm not willing to take a loss over this issue, but I will cause some logistical problems?"
If they take the loss or end the season, it means something. If all they do is play in a day or two, it's a nice gesture but pretty meaningless.
uh.....it doesn't count less. But making a stand that involves zero risk absolutely is not the same thing as taking a stand with a high degree of risk to your own situation. Like him or not, Kaep took his stance with a very high degree of risk. Tommie Smith and John Carlos took a lot of risk in the 68 Olympics.
This boycott is not the same as those two. They have no risk at all in doing it. Now if they pack up and leave the bubble, then they have sacrificed for a cause. As of now, there is no sacrifice.
I agree with the boycott.
trader jake
Footballguy
The Lakers/TrailBlazers game is also being boycotted and will not be played this evening.
DJackson10
Footballguy
Unfortunately some people are tone deaf to situations. its easy when you can afford a lawyer and white to say just listen to the cops and then if anything happens handle it latter. However when you are a minority in a poor neighborhood cops know they can toe or cross the line. Cops know they can't pull their BS in a rich neighborhood as they can lose their badge and gun messing with the wrong person. Going into a poor neighborhood where you can't afford a lawyer they know they can press some BS charges or lie about incidents. It'd be nice if lawmakers though didn't make laws that basically targeted the poor and minorities though that allow corrupt cops to allow them to be themselves. It's amazing we still have to talk about these situations though in this country but it doesn't surprise me anymore.Failing to comply with police orders shouldn’t be a death sentence, it seems like this has to be reiterated every single time.
I hope this starts real change though
DJackson10
Footballguy
DJackson10
Footballguy
trader jake
Footballguy
The NBA, as much as any sports league can, gets it. Now we see what the ramifications will be and how this plays out.
Either way, the Milwaukee Bucks (and the other teams that followed suit) made a powerful statement today.
Last edited by a moderator:
I didn't say that. In fact I actually said "it doesn't count less". And a protest with no sacrifice can have impact. The team taking a no risk stance on an important social issue is truly a noble thing to do.
But in no way is it the same thing as taking a stand when there is risk to your personal situation. What truly gets most peoples attention is people who take a stance where there is some degree of risk and personal sacrifice involved.
I support the cause and their boycott, but sorry for me it's just a little hollow if they get back on the court and try to win a championship over the coming weeks. The NBA as a whole has done a wonderful job addressing the BLM movement and social justice issues, and I believe, they also see that it will not be a negative impact to their bottom line.
However, when it comes to China, where there are far greater human rights concerns they run with a tail between their legs just because one executive tweeted "Fight for Freedom, Stand with Hong Kong". Nearly everyone backtracked including the league stars who wanted nothing to do with the issue. Why? Not because they didn't agree with Morey or the issue. They were protecting league revenues.
So yeah...get with me when a player/team makes a sacrifice that negatively impacts their personal situation then I'll see it as a stronger stance.
mr. furley
Footballguy
strykerpks
Footballguy
#### yeah, go Bucks!!
Sounds like the Brewers might do the same tonight. This could be a very significant domino.
Sounds like the Brewers might do the same tonight. This could be a very significant domino.
-fish-
Footballguy
In 10 years when people look at the recordbooks and there is no champion for 2020, they'll talk about the season that was ended to protest police brutality.
In 10 years when people look at the recordbooks and see that the Clippers won in 7, they aren't going to say, "oh, yeah, that's the year where a couple of game 5's were delayed by 48 hours."
Please keep the non basketball aspect of this to the Political Forum.
caustic
Footballguy
Adrian Wojnarowski @wojespn
Emotions are raw, players were already worn out of bubble environment prior to the Jacob Blake shooting and sources say discussions within teams are ongoing about postponing tomorrow's three games too -- and beyond. "The season is in jeopardy," one vet player here tells ESPN.
4:56 PM · Aug 26, 2020
Emotions are raw, players were already worn out of bubble environment prior to the Jacob Blake shooting and sources say discussions within teams are ongoing about postponing tomorrow's three games too -- and beyond. "The season is in jeopardy," one vet player here tells ESPN.
4:56 PM · Aug 26, 2020
Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
Last edited by a moderator:
The Gator
Footballguy
This is kind of what I was thinking - this has been such a long and awkward season, that the players may just be tired of it all.
DJackson10
Footballguy
Woo just reported an 8PM meeting between the players left in the bubble and League tonight. Vet players told WOj "Season is in jeopardy."
Gr00vus
Footballguy
That makes sense. They'll need to be pretty careful with their messaging to ensure the "they're just tired of being in the bubble" narrative doesn't creep into the spin from the boycott/cancellation.
Last edited by a moderator:
-fish-
Footballguy
Interesting that news organizations are saying the Brewers are "postponing" their game, but the NBA teams are "boycotting." Since NBA players are business partners in the league, they aren't "boycotting" anything by postponing games to a later date. You can't boycott yourself.
DJackson10
Footballguy
Discussions of not playing by MLB teams is more WC games as A few east coast games have already started or been played today.
DJackson10
Footballguy
Wow Kenny Smith just walked off the set
Tim Bontemps
@TimBontemps
Kenny Smith just said he doesn't feel equipped to be on Inside The NBA tonight, and, standing in solidarity with the players who chose not to play today, just walked off the set.
Tim Bontemps
@TimBontemps
Kenny Smith just said he doesn't feel equipped to be on Inside The NBA tonight, and, standing in solidarity with the players who chose not to play today, just walked off the set.
caustic
Footballguy
jvdesigns2002
Footballguy
That might very well happen. Optically how does it look if they just picked up and started playing tomorrow or over the weekend--or next week? By boycotting today--I think the cancellation of the season very much comes into play because there is no optically good time to just start playing again. Will players be okay just sitting in the bubble indefinitely until they figure out the right moment to play again? I don't think thats likely.
Last edited by a moderator:
DJackson10
Footballguy
whoknew
Footballguy
I think the coaches are going to have to carry the load here of convincing the players to play. Doc Rivers' answer last night about it was a good start. I think they will have to pound that message home.
Similar threads
