2019-20 NBA Thread: new forum, same great taste

[MAC_32 12,506]

11 minutes ago, Moe. said:

He will finally get a chance to install this ball movement/motion offense we've been hearing so much about

With who?

[Long Ball Larry 14,296]

18 minutes ago, Moe. said:

Screw making Miami better at this point. A Jimmy Butler injury (guy played for Thibs for the better part of a decade) and those picks look incredible 

If Butler and Paul are on the same team, Someone is getting murdered in that organization somehow

[Frostillicus 14,083]

2 minutes ago, Long Ball Larry said:

If Butler and Paul are on the same team, Someone is getting murdered in that organization somehow

And it would be glorious.

[caustic 3,911]

NBA 2k20 cover released

[Capella 30,389]

2 minutes ago, caustic said:

NBA 2k20 cover released

Amazing 

[Frostillicus 14,083]

3 minutes ago, caustic said:

NBA 2k20 cover released

As horrible as the internet is, it's also genius.

[Craig_MiamiFL 2,542]

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@BobbyMarks42

From 2020 to 2026: 15 first-round picks and the swap rights in 4 years.   (OKC)

 

Amazing. Probably their best hope of ever creating a "super team"

Though we're talking about the same franchise that took Durant/Westbrook/Harden in back-to-back-to-back years and somehow never won a title. I don't watch much TV, have they done a 30-for-30 on this yet??? Everytime I see Kendrick Perkins or a tweet of his, it's all I think about  

Edited July 12, 2019 by Craig_MiamiFL

[Judge Smails 3,733]

Really loved Chris Paul's game and thought he'd eventually win a championship.  Now, not so much.  Terrible contract for everyone not in the Paul family, Father Time catching up, won't play second fiddle.  But he's gettin' paid.

[Joe Summer 9,489]

Can't wait to see how the spoiled OKC fanbase deals with the upcoming 8-year "process."

[Encyclopedia Brown 2,635]

Has anyone read this story on Twitter? It seems that every other tweet about Chris Paul has a clip of some short, pudgy dude having a meltdown at a bakery.  

[Good Posting Judge 13,668]

5 hours ago, facook said:

I mean, Harden and Westbrook sharing the ball?  Cmon.

Westbrook's terrible with the ball! Iso, running PNR, terrible! Their offense works because Harden's an elite iso and pnr player, with guys who are excellent at spotting up (incl Paul), and a good roll man in Capella.

Maybe Morey's operating at a higher frequency than I am, but I can't see how this makes basketball sense.

 

 

[bigbottom 11,108]

1 hour ago, Good Posting Judge said:

Westbrook's terrible with the ball! Iso, running PNR, terrible! Their offense works because Harden's an elite iso and pnr player, with guys who are excellent at spotting up (incl Paul), and a good roll man in Capella.

Maybe Morey's operating at a higher frequency than I am, but I can't see how this makes basketball sense.

 

 

Running it back was not going to be an option for Tilman. 

[Deamon 5,461]

17 hours ago, Insein said:

Pacers may be better than them now but these are odds to win the title. Raptors are defending champs, Nets may get KD back come playoff time and Boston played better two years ago without Khyrie. It's very unlikely the Pacers win the title with all the other teams they have to go through.

just came to say the identical thing.  Pacers may be better but the experience and star talent on the other teams give them a better shot to win the whole thing.  Would be blown away if Indiana were nba champs next year.

[Deamon 5,461]

most exciting offseason in sports history?

[Jayrod 4,433]

3 hours ago, Deamon said:

most exciting offseason in sports history?

I would say so...at least in my memory.

[Insein 10,714]

3 hours ago, Deamon said:

most exciting offseason in sports history?

Definitely the most movement I can ever remember.

[SHIZNITTTT 3,346]

8 hours ago, Joe Summer said:

Can't wait to see how the spoiled OKC fanbase deals with the upcoming 8-year "process."

Spoiled?  what do you mean?  

[Ghost Rider 6,295]

11 hours ago, ShamrockPride said:

Danny Green: Kawhi wanted own route, never wanted to sign with Lakers

In other words: Kawhi didn't want the media fondling LeBron while Kawhi carried

Kawhi never would have carried them anyway. 

It’s far more likely that he wanted nothing to do with the circus that the Lakers have become, one that Magic always takes to the next level by always yapping to the media. Magic isn’t technically part of the organization anymore, but he still represents them in a big way. 

Edited July 12, 2019 by Ghost Rider

[TobiasFunke 29,547]

3 minutes ago, SHIZNITTTT said:

Spoiled?  what do you mean?  

I think he means you had one losing season when you got a new franchise followed by seven years of winning, many of which put the team in legitimate contention for the title. 

That's not how it works most of the time.  Generally when you get a new or sold+moved franchise in this or any sport you're looking at many years of rebuilding before you even crack .500. It took the Raptors 20 years to post a 50 win season.  It took the Hornets 7 years and they still haven't reached the conference finals 30 years later.  Riley and the Heat needed 9 years to build a contender.  The Grizzlies needed a decade to make it out of the first round of the playoffs after the move from Vancouver and they still haven't reached the Finals.  That's what NBA reality is for most fans.

That said, I think most NBA fans would still happily swap franchises with Oklahoma City.  They are going to have a relatively quick rebuild and are probably gonna be a terrifying force  when it's done. If you had to put up odds for the 2026 NBA title you figure they'd be one of the favorites, I think.

[Long Ball Larry 14,296]

9 hours ago, Craig_MiamiFL said:

Amazing. Probably their best hope of ever creating a "super team"

Though we're talking about the same franchise that took Durant/Westbrook/Harden in back-to-back-to-back years and somehow never won a title. I don't watch much TV, have they done a 30-for-30 on this yet??? Everytime I see Kendrick Perkins or a tweet of his, it's all I think about  

can't wait to see Presti find the next James Harden in the draft and then trade him away as soon as possible.

[SHIZNITTTT 3,346]

5 minutes ago, TobiasFunke said:

I think he means you had one losing season when you got a new franchise followed by seven years of winning, many of which put the team in legitimate contention for the title. 

That's not how it works most of the time.  Generally when you get a new or sold+moved franchise in this or any sport you're looking at many years of rebuilding before you even crack .500. It took the Raptors 20 years to post a 50 win season.  It took the Hornets 7 years and they still haven't reached the conference finals 30 years later.  Riley and the Heat needed 9 years to build a contender.  The Grizzlies needed a decade to make it out of the first round of the playoffs after the move from Vancouver and they still haven't reached the Finals.  That's what NBA reality is for most fans.

That said, I think most NBA fans would still happily swap franchises with Oklahoma City.  They are going to have a relatively quick rebuild and are probably gonna be a terrifying force  when it's done. If you had to put up odds for the 2026 NBA title you figure they'd be one of the favorites, I think.

I am just hoping that OKC doesn't become a farm team in the future for other franchises.   OKC has a great fan base. 

[TobiasFunke 29,547]

Just now, SHIZNITTTT said:

I am just hoping that OKC doesn't become a farm team in the future for other franchises.   OKC has a great fan base. 

I think it's kind of tough to evaluate the fan base when they've yet to experience the trials that the rest of us have endured.  But as for the farm team thing, I can't imagine that happening any more than it happens to the other NBA franchises in less desirable/populous destinations. They are locked and loaded for the long term. I'd give my left ### to swap the personnel, front office and assets of the Thunder and the Wizards.

[modogg 4,757]

5 hours ago, Deamon said:

just came to say the identical thing.  Pacers may be better but the experience and star talent on the other teams give them a better shot to win the whole thing.  Would be blown away if Indiana were nba champs next year.

on same hand, I can see Indiana stretch most series to 7 games. Luckily Sixers match up well with them, but they are definitely the overlooked team

[modogg 4,757]

7 minutes ago, SHIZNITTTT said:

I am just hoping that OKC doesn't become a farm team in the future for other franchises.   OKC has a great fan base. 

Presti is doing a wonderful job. I don't see any way they use all those 1st round picks themselves, but man they can get almost anybody with the amount of unprotected firsts they have. they don't have to make that jump immediately, but their assets at this point are superior to pretty much everyone. Pelicans are in conversation, but a few of the young guys they have are due for their extensions this year or next

[ffldrew 3,236]

8 minutes ago, modogg said:

Presti is doing a wonderful job. I don't see any way they use all those 1st round picks themselves, but man they can get almost anybody with the amount of unprotected firsts they have. they don't have to make that jump immediately, but their assets at this point are superior to pretty much everyone. Pelicans are in conversation, but a few of the young guys they have are due for their extensions this year or next

Problem with a lot of those firsts as it stands today are that they are going to be late round picks. You are better off with 2nd round picks at that point so you avoid guaranteed money. 

[Insein 10,714]

16 minutes ago, ffldrew said:

Problem with a lot of those firsts as it stands today are that they are going to be late round picks. You are better off with 2nd round picks at that point so you avoid guaranteed money. 

I think they're banking on the Clippers and Rockets to fall apart by the time the picks come due. 

[Long Ball Larry 14,296]

41 minutes ago, Insein said:

I think they're banking on the Clippers and Rockets to fall apart by the time the picks come due. 

and Heat.  I do think there is some point at which the future is too hard to even reasonably assign a value to and 2026 is definitely on that line, but when you consider how many picks they own from different teams (including themselves and also Denver 2020), their asset portfolio () is really diversified.  I mean, all of these picks are really valuable a few years from now once Harden, Morey, Kawhi, George, Jerry West, Butler, Paul, and Pat Riley are all dead and gone and Tilman Fertitta and Steve Ballmer are somewhere trying to open a high-tech casino...

2021 MIA (HOU 5-30 swap right)

2023 Own (LAC swap right)

2023 MIA (15-30)

2024 Own 2024

LAC 2024

HOU (5-30)

2026 LAC

2026 HOU (5-30)

[Insein 10,714]

13 minutes ago, Long Ball Larry said:

and Heat.  I do think there is some point at which the future is too hard to even reasonably assign a value to and 2026 is definitely on that line, but when you consider how many picks they own from different teams (including themselves and also Denver 2020), their asset portfolio () is really diversified.  I mean, all of these picks are really valuable a few years from now once Harden, Morey, Kawhi, George, Jerry West, Butler, Paul, and Pat Riley are all dead and gone and Tilman Fertitta and Steve Ballmer are somewhere trying to open a high-tech casino...

2021 MIA (HOU 5-30 swap right)

2023 Own (LAC swap right)

2023 MIA (15-30)

2024 Own 2024

LAC 2024

HOU (5-30)

2026 LAC

2026 HOU (5-30)

It's also not about making the pick every time. They can use these to get whoever is the stud player of the time who may not like their current team. Obviously best case is draft 2-3 studs and build around them.

[Don't Noonan 5,722]

6 hours ago, Deamon said:

most exciting offseason in sports history?

It has been crazy.  10 years when we look back at this off season it seems likely the biggest move will have been the Blazers somehow letting Jake Layman go the the T Wolves.

[Frostillicus 14,083]

9 hours ago, Good Posting Judge said:

Westbrook's terrible with the ball! Iso, running PNR, terrible! Their offense works because Harden's an elite iso and pnr player, with guys who are excellent at spotting up (incl Paul), and a good roll man in Capella.

Maybe Morey's operating at a higher frequency than I am, but I can't see how this makes basketball sense.

 

 

Maybe?

[wikkidpissah 18,511]

On 7/7/2019 at 1:46 PM, wikkidpissah said:

If Russ was paired w the Beard, the NBA would have to create a new stat - steals from teammate.

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[Jayrod 4,433]

Another shocking NBA note, Grayson Allen got kicked out of a Summer League game last night.

[wikkidpissah 18,511]

7 minutes ago, Jayrod said:

Another shocking NBA note, Grayson Allen got kicked out of a Summer League game last night.

saw that live. wish his game were better so it wouldnt be a stone minus for guys to be deckin' him.

[Leeroy Jenkins 2,846]

Tobias Harris saying Simmons drained two 3s on him while playing one-on-one in recent workout and that his jumper looks good and confident. 

[Vanilla Guerrilla 935]

5 minutes ago, Leeroy Jenkins said:

Tobias Harris saying Simmons drained two 3s on him while playing one-on-one in recent workout and that his jumper looks good and confident. 

I was at a bar once and told a gal that my buddy was a good guy.  Wing man's job.

[Sammy3469 10,260]

3 hours ago, TobiasFunke said:

I think he means you had one losing season when you got a new franchise followed by seven years of winning, many of which put the team in legitimate contention for the title. 

That's not how it works most of the time.  Generally when you get a new or sold+moved franchise in this or any sport you're looking at many years of rebuilding before you even crack .500. It took the Raptors 20 years to post a 50 win season.  It took the Hornets 7 years and they still haven't reached the conference finals 30 years later.  Riley and the Heat needed 9 years to build a contender.  The Grizzlies needed a decade to make it out of the first round of the playoffs after the move from Vancouver and they still haven't reached the Finals.  That's what NBA reality is for most fans.

That said, I think most NBA fans would still happily swap franchises with Oklahoma City.  They are going to have a relatively quick rebuild and are probably gonna be a terrifying force  when it's done. If you had to put up odds for the 2026 NBA title you figure they'd be one of the favorites, I think.

I don’t think that’s the case at all,  most of their good picks don’t come due until 2022 on and then you’d need time for the players to develop. I mean I like what they did given the circumstances, but they might not have any real developed All-Stars for a good long time.

[Insein 10,714]

11 minutes ago, Leeroy Jenkins said:

Tobias Harris saying Simmons drained two 3s on him while playing one-on-one in recent workout and that his jumper looks good and confident. 

Yea I like Tobi but there is a difference between one on one and in an NBA game. If Ben starts taking shots, that's the first step. If he starts making shots, that's step 2. Step 4, profit... For us. He's already gonna get paid.

[NutterButter 6,158]

15 minutes ago, Leeroy Jenkins said:

Tobias Harris saying Simmons drained two 3s on him while playing one-on-one in recent workout and that his jumper looks good and confident. 

he failed to mention the 28 he missed

[modogg 4,757]

20 minutes ago, Leeroy Jenkins said:

Tobias Harris saying Simmons drained two 3s on him while playing one-on-one in recent workout and that his jumper looks good and confident. 

he sinks them a lot pre game. It is the inability to even attempt during live 5-on-5 which is worrisome. he can shoot them though. It does seem that this year he will be trying some, that's what I am looking forward to the most with the first 3-4 games of the season if he makes any attempts.

[Gr00vus 11,921]

An interesting thing to me is how the NBA is dominating sports talk right now. I realize NFL camps haven't opened yet, but usually NFL starts taking over the news cycle mid July. And MLB - they're in midseason and I hardly hear any baseball talk, pretty sad.

[thecatch 2,233]

12 minutes ago, Sammy3469 said:

I don’t think that’s the case at all,  most of their good picks don’t come due until 2022 on and then you’d need time for the players to develop. I mean I like what they did given the circumstances, but they might not have any real developed All-Stars for a good long time.

No, but they have the ammo to go trade for whoever they want. Adams is still early in his prime. If SGA is as good as people think he is, they can go reload with a couple more stars real quick (maybe Beal and someone after the Wizards start 5-25). 

[TobiasFunke 29,547]

13 minutes ago, Sammy3469 said:

I don’t think that’s the case at all,  most of their good picks don’t come due until 2022 on and then you’d need time for the players to develop. I mean I like what they did given the circumstances, but they might not have any real developed All-Stars for a good long time.

Yeah, maybe 20207 or 2028.  Although the flip side is that they're gonna start sucking and getting high lottery picks pretty much immediately, and if they hit on one or two of them all those draft assets and cap space can be transformed into established players to pair with the draft hits.

[wikkidpissah 18,511]

i'm torn between loving CP3 on Elba and not wanting OKCers (who already have to pay a toll to go to Tulsa) to suffer.

[Gr00vus 11,921]

It's also interesting that the Knicks never got in the mix for Westbrook. Seems like a thing they'd have done in the recent past. Maybe they're actually figuring things out?

[Good Posting Judge 13,668]

1 hour ago, Frostillicus said:

Maybe?

He signed Chris Paul to a gigantic max contract, maybe he's not that smart either.

[thecatch 2,233]

6 minutes ago, Gr00vus said:

It's also interesting that the Knicks never got in the mix for Westbrook. Seems like a thing they'd have done in the recent past. Maybe they're actually figuring things out?

That would have interfered with Scott Perry’s general strategy of signing mediocre veterans to big money, short term deals.

[Sammy3469 10,260]

20 minutes ago, thecatch said:

No, but they have the ammo to go trade for whoever they want. Adams is still early in his prime. If SGA is as good as people think he is, they can go reload with a couple more stars real quick (maybe Beal and someone after the Wizards start 5-25). 

I think the whole trade for whoever they want is overblown.  For non-top 20 NBA guys sure, but the top guys continue to force their way out of places like OKC not to OKC.  It’s going to be their weird guy that stays out of the major markets.  

[Gr00vus 11,921]

8 minutes ago, thecatch said:

That would have interfered with Scott Perry’s general strategy of signing mediocre veterans to big money, short term deals.

Waiting for 2021 free agency isn't the worst of strategies if you're obviously not a contender right now. Of course what they do when it arrives is another story.

[Long Ball Larry 14,296]

4 hours ago, Insein said:

Definitely the most movement I can ever remember.

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Every free agency transaction in what will go down as the wildest 11 days in NBA history

 

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[Capella 30,389]

32 minutes ago, modogg said:

 he can shoot them though. 

No he can’t