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WR Jerry Jeudy, CLE (3 Viewers)
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King of the Jungle
Footballguy
I agree. Jeudy has amazing feet. It is almost as if he is double-jointed. He can get open and receive the ball well. Just like Marvin his YAC is limited and he protects himself as a football player. He tends to gravitate towards the sideline when receiving near the boundary. I have zero issue with this but it is how he plays (which is great for preservation and longevity). His footwork is so special if paired with a good young QB he has a chance to put up special numbers for a long time. What he does well is get open. If a team plays to his strengths he will kill it.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
But is there any evidence that it would be inflated more for Jeudy than anyone else? Doesn't the same mechanism work to inflate everyone equally, aside from some analysis that includes differentiating between which top WR recruits were used as decoys or otherwise not targeted, like a % of routes that they got targets. Because otherwise that inflation mechanism should be equal for all. And in that world, Jeudy had the highest number in the class per the yards per route metric. So........? Not sure what that means but I don't think those metrics are different in the way you're saying they are.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
I'm a bad overanalyzer, too. It occasionally gets me in trouble and I've certainly been told I think too much. For me these rookies all have some pluses and minuses and I don't fret too much about ranking them despite as much wrangling as I do. What gets me is the in season starting lineup calls. I work the wire really good and I think I'm a solid trader, and drafting is perhaps my biggest strength, but yeah starting lineups get me.Dr. Dan said:
I have no idea if he is a bust against man coverage but if he is it would be good to know. Strongly considering the 4th RB over him.
rockaction
Footballguy
I'm an overanalyzer, too, which is why I looked into this on Ruggs and found out I might be wrong. Guys are saying he is physical enough to have played outside and won against press. But take it with a grain of salt because I'm a Ruggs honk. Only know that I am looking for flaws as much as the next guy, and finding them mainly in his absence of dominator status and his potential fantasy non-usage as decoy, both of which might tie in together. All I know is that I've been trying to read up on his physicality and he seems to pass some of the non-lazy evaluator's tests. (I don't trust the guy that compared him to Darrius Heyward-Bey and the guy talking about him being a body catcher. That means they weren't watching.)
To bring it back to Jeudy, it seems like the analyzers are saying he played more effective in the slot and against zones, which means something to me, anyway. I don't have Jeudy in my first round ever; but I only have one first-rounder at 1.01, so that's sort of natural, as his ADP is below that but way before 2.01.
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King of the Jungle
Footballguy
It may mean something, it may not. His yards per route versus man don't seem terrible in comparison. Maybe his quarterback was more comfortable when facing zone coverage (Ruggs numbers dont look great). If a team drafts him and plays toward his strengths he will be great. He has the feet to be one of the better route runners in the NFL. He will not be a tackle breaking machine or a Moss-like deep threat, but he can be a quarterbacks best friend and become a PPR star. He has enough savvy and speed to come up with periodic big plays. I will probably side with Lamb if Jeudy ends up in a poor quarterback situation. I do think Lambs skills are a little more universally accepted although I do worry about his ability to separate at the next level. But Lamb is so aggressive after catch which will bode well for any offense.
Neither of these guys are perfect prospects, but both do offer some elite qualities that if put into the right situation can have a huge FF impact. Destination will play a huge role in the success of a lot of these top RB & WR prospects.
Notable yards per route #s vs man in WR class Jerry Jeudy 3.14 Denzel Mims 2.86 K.J. Hill 2.65 Tyler Johnson 2.62 Brandon Aiyuk 2.51 Jalen Reagor 2.43 Ceedee Lamb 2.38 Isaiah Hodgins 2.34 Michael Pittman Jr. 2.26 Justin Jefferson 2.02 Bryan Edwards 1.36 Henry Ruggs III 1.08
Mike Renner
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Yards per route vs. man coverage leaders for WR class over past two seasons: 1. Laviska Shenault Jr. 4.98 2. Tee Higgins 4.25 3. Easop Winston Jr. 3.75 4. Jauan Jennings 3.52 5. K.J. Hamler 3.43
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
The thing is barring help from a second corner/safety, playing press coverage against a guy like Ruggs is very risky because if he does get past the press corner he's gone and no one is catching back up to him.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
True but also if you can jam him for 2 seconds, it may mean that the QB won’t have time to hold the ball and target him 25 yards down field.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Free Waldman content on Jeudy:
INSANE feet on two cuts
Nice ball tracking in tight coverage
A route examined
INSANE feet on two cuts
Nice ball tracking in tight coverage
A route examined
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
9 on the Wonderlic.....good gracious....
ffmail4me
Footballguy
Ryan Leaf scored a 27 on that test. And Frank Gore scored a 6 and is still in the league....I'm not putting ANY stock in that stupid test.
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Futeki
Footballguy
Running back (and cornerback) generally allow for the dumbest players. Wide receivers need more, but I don't claim to know how much moreRyan Leaf scored a 27 on that test. And Frank Gore scored a 6 and is still in the league....I'm not putting ANY stock in that stupid test.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
The bar for WRs is pretty low. Everything I've seen says this guy can play the game and will at least try to get better.
DocHolliday
Footballguy
Faust is killing it.
rockaction
Footballguy
I don't care what anyone says about the Wonderlic and how easy it is. I dropped 99% bombs on the LSAT and two GRE sections and couldn't break thirty on that damn thing.
Skeletore Eh
Footballguy
Yeah everything you hear about the kid says his idea of a good friday night is studying film. File this under who cares
cloppbeast
Footballguy
rockaction
Footballguy
It was an online Wonderlic, so I wonder about its accuracy, but that thing was hard, man. It requires knowledge outside of the exam, the ability to shape and process complex mathematical formulas quickly, and other traits that focus on what I call "fast intelligence," that is, intelligence that has a time limit. Generally, the timed tests put out by ETS and other boards don't have quite the time crunch of the ASVAB you took in high school or the Wonderlic, both of which put an emphasis on how quickly you can process information.
I was just using thirty as a benchmark; I forget what I got, but it was lower than I expected.
cloppbeast
Footballguy
It's a test which measures how well a person can process information quickly. I could see why it might matter for a receiver; but then you look at the list @Faust linked with Randy Moss, Torey Holt, and Reggie Wayne near the bottom. So maybe it doesn't.
cloppbeast
Footballguy
I took it once online, got completely frustrated and quit before I saw how I did. I didn't even want to know my score. It's really not easy and not something you can prepare for. Anybody should be able to answer all the questions correctly if given as much time as needed, the clock gets you. The quick thinking makes it useful for football where decisions have to be made in split seconds.
cloppbeast
Footballguy
Deamon
Footballguy
barackdhouse
Footballguy
I did it once and got mid 40s. I don't know how else to say it but I thought it was pretty easy. I was shocked, once I did it, to see how low some people scored. I don't know. I've always crushed tests so I know I'm an outlier.
Deamon
Footballguy
I found one and got 39. Damn, that 12 minutes goes fast! I only answered 40 of the 50 questions.
I'm not sure I could have gone any faster, but I suppose with 1 minute left I could have just started guessing random answers quickly (but it didn't tell me what question I was on)
Tried doing it again but it was the same questions.
rockaction
Footballguy
Then you all got me. I truly forget what I got, but I remembered being a good bit behind Fitz and the boys, which made me a modicum of upset with a huge side of salt (not it he wounds, but salt in that I didn't care).
The Wonderlic. Pun not intended: I wonder what on earth they use it for. So much of the intelligence required in football is kinetic/spatial.
Back to Jeudy: I wonder what his play strength is? Can't be that high, can it?
cloppbeast
Footballguy
Not all games are played at the end of the day. Which guy is the best in the afternoon?
JohnnyU
Footballguy
The Colorado Springs Gazette's Woody Paige reports the Broncos could be looking to trade into the Top 10 for Alabama WR Jerry Jeudy in next week's draft.
It's the same thing NFL Network's Daniel Jeremiah reported in his most recent Move the Sticks podcast. Broncos GM John Elway is clearly high on Jeudy, and while it would be wise to sit back and allow what's being touted as the deepest wide receiver class in history to simply fall where they may, the organization is doing a poor job of keeping their cards close to the vest. Oklahoma's CeeDee Lamb, Alabama's Henry Ruggs, and Jeudy are all expected to hear their names called at some point between picks 8-16, but the ongoing mystery of exactly where they land is what continues to make this year's draft the Wild West.
SOURCE: Pro Football Talk on Twitter
Apr 19, 2020, 5:26 AM ET
It's the same thing NFL Network's Daniel Jeremiah reported in his most recent Move the Sticks podcast. Broncos GM John Elway is clearly high on Jeudy, and while it would be wise to sit back and allow what's being touted as the deepest wide receiver class in history to simply fall where they may, the organization is doing a poor job of keeping their cards close to the vest. Oklahoma's CeeDee Lamb, Alabama's Henry Ruggs, and Jeudy are all expected to hear their names called at some point between picks 8-16, but the ongoing mystery of exactly where they land is what continues to make this year's draft the Wild West.
SOURCE: Pro Football Talk on Twitter
Apr 19, 2020, 5:26 AM ET
Johnny B. Goode
Footballguy
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Aznflyer14
Footballguy
Every source is probably supplied by one of the GMs' runner to spread lies in hope to drop the value on the targeted prospects. It is known to happen such as Laremy Tunsil on gas-mask bong.
massraider
Footballguy
Listen chief, I don't know if you are questioning the source of this Philly reporter none of us have ever heard of, right before the Eagles need a WR, but I don't think I like the insinuation.Andy Dufresne said:
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Yeah this sounds like "lying season" at it's best.Andy Dufresne said:
Faust
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