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TRUMP TO INFINITY AND BEYOND HQ - The Great and Positive Place (11 Viewers)
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Something along the lines of painting with broad brushes, lumping all supporters of XYZ in a horrible bucket. The thread is there if you want to go read it.
Here is the comment.
Followed by: "They are who we thought they were", "you suck" and "worse". It's not hard to figure out who reported it.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Boots post was pretty bad...the “you suck” seemed to be the only comment out of like after that.
Hawkeye21
Footballguy
I agree. I like to ask questions though to see if I am understanding where they are coming from. When asked a question I think it's reasonable to expect a legit response with some thought put into it.
Don't Noonan
Footballguy
Thanks. I am sure @Ilov80s walked away with no punishment after telling another poster he sucks. Seems pretty unexcellent.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
I didn’t report him and if someone wants to report me and suspend me, so be it. I stand by what I said. He was being a jerk. I’ve been suspended before for making fun of Irish Catholics (which I am) so I can live with another one at this point. I try to be respectful and polite to people here but at some point I’m just going to be honest with someone who is trolling.
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timschochet
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But see I didn’t do any of that. I didn’t name every Trump supporter. The 4 people I named had all posted within the last 24 hours about how great a President Trump is; I was challenging that assumption. I wasn’t making any generalizations. I don’t see anything wrong with it.
SaintsInDome2006
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I totally agree there. But I guess I've been following this stuff with great interest since 2015-16, I suppose mainly because there appears to be a possible political realignment in this country and I've been stumped by why. But it may just die quickly also and not be a real realignment at all. So what's happening? A few thoughts:
- News sources. Personally I think this has happened because of manipulation but Trump supporters will tell you they've lost faith in MSM/journalism. The answer here is it literally didn't happen, whatever it is you're claiming happened.
- Nihilism/cynicism/apathy. - This is the hypocrisy argument. So even if you believe in A, and TrumpGuy believes in A, the fact that you once argued against A in some other situation means that A is now off the table, and the only option is Omega, because either 'let's blow it all up,' 'they're all the same', or something similar. - The answer is here you're just a partisan and don't mean or believe it.
- Lib Tears - liberals/progressives/Dems are upset and wailing? - Oh yeah bring it on. Is this thing being talked about contrary to everything Republicans and conservatives have ever stood for? So what, bring it on.
- The Economy Yo. - I think most Trump supporters who advocate this don't really stick around to discuss it. They like what the economy is doing first, so nothing else matters. The why/how doesn't really matter and they're not reading the WSJ back sections.
- Cult of Personality - All Trump, all day, all the time. Like a football team you root for is the best way to understand it, do or die.
- Actual past policies - I think somewhere in the background mistakes have been made on economics and foreign policy. This may be obvious. Iraq, the 2008 recession are two keys that come to mind, but also (yes) immigration policies. Some might say trade policies, but a world in which the US has not created the WTO, IMF, NAFTA, etc. is probably a world in which the US is fractured far more than now and leaving 1st world status while some true international baddies lead the way. I kind of think since 1990 this whole concept hasn't been well curated or explained by our leadership. So, there probably is a legitimate policy discussion to be had but it almost never breaks out, it's almost always one of the above
GoBirds
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When we are told only to report posts way over the line how did he get suspended for that?
Sounds fair.
Don't Noonan
Footballguy
As for the economy and Trump's policies. Basic economics supports the theory that lower taxes and less regulations spurns higher growth. It is hard for me to believe that someone will beat Trump in 2020 running on increasing your taxes on day 1!
Hawkeye21
Footballguy
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Traditional Republican / conservative economics calls for lower taxes.... and balanced budgets. What we have here are near record setting deficits two years in a row (eta - ie for a normal economic period).
- eta - Btw I agree yes, it's a popular policy, as in the populism that I mentioned. It may very well help in the election, I agree.
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HellToupee
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Christ almighty do you understand differing opinions???????
You aren’t changing anyone’s mind. You’re like the blowhard uncle at the thanksgiving table pontificating about anything and everything . It’s palaver .
timschochet
Footballguy
I thought we were in this sub forum for discussion and debate. You take umbrage at your opinions being challenged?
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
But that point about the taxes is a good example - you're for it because it's popular and because it's popular it will help get Trump get elected. The point is, what helps get Trump elected is the point, not is it good policy.
Don't Noonan
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Oh I believe it is good policy too. I do agree with you that the debt will need to be addressed. The problem is that the solution will be unpopular to the other party whoever proposes it.
Don't Noonan
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Hawkeye21
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Don't Noonan
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Hawkeye21
Footballguy
I would say that's pretty accurate for this year but isn't the tax reform set up to where that tax break gets smaller each year and eventually some made be paying in more than they were before the reform? I thought I saw a graphic that showed that when the new tax plan was announced. The 1% keep their tax break the same though.
Sammy3469
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timschochet
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Great news for President Trump: Mnuchin says the trade deal with China is “90% complete”
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2019/06/26/mnuchin-says-us-china-trade-deal-was-90-percent-complete.html
Those of you who want to see Trump re-elected, this will certainly help if it goes through. Obviously I don’t want to see him win again, but I’m rooting for this anyhow, and my hat will be off to the President if he can make this happen.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2019/06/26/mnuchin-says-us-china-trade-deal-was-90-percent-complete.html
Those of you who want to see Trump re-elected, this will certainly help if it goes through. Obviously I don’t want to see him win again, but I’m rooting for this anyhow, and my hat will be off to the President if he can make this happen.
Don't Noonan
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Don't Noonan
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I think you are correct that the individual tax cuts are removed in 10 years but the corporate tax cuts are permanent. Corporate tax cuts are not the 1% though.
Gopher State
Footballguy
This is huge for Trump if it happens. The stock market will set new records and people vote with their pocket books. It will be a win.
jomar
Footballguy
I think I remember reading that something like 80% of Americans own just 8% of the stock market. are those 80% going to line up for Trump because the market is doing well (while running trillion dollar deficits, btw)? some of them will but it won't have anything to do with their pocket books
Maybe. maybe not. What you would expect to happen usually doesn't. The market has not jumped at all after these announcements. Usually it rockets immediately.
40% of americans believe a recession has already begun.
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/40-of-americans-say-the-next-recession-is-already-here-or-on-the-horizon-2019-06-26
I am not one of them but am monitoring that closely. The Russell 2000 is in correction territory as is the Dow transports and that is a red flag.
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timschochet
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I don't care about how the market reacts, especially short term. A trade deal with China would be a wonderful thing for us long term. TPP would have been much better IMO, but this will do. If we get it, that is.
Sammy3469
Footballguy
James Daulton
Footballguy
Great news that he just found out that Japan can sit back and watch tv while we're being attacked.
Thanks Trump voters!
Thanks Trump voters!
Don't Noonan
Footballguy
GoBirds
Footballguy
Is this accurate or just Tim setting up “It’s a done deal” so if it doesn’t come together he can start a new bash Trump thread?
timschochet
Footballguy
Its not a done deal. In fact, the Secretary of Agriculture is skeptical, so who knows? Mnuchin says it's 90% done.Is this accurate or just Tim setting up “It’s a done deal” so if it doesn’t come together he can start a new bash Trump thread?
This is not something I want to bash Trump for. Trust me on this. I really really REALLY want him to win on this.
Shula-holic
Footballguy
Exactly. It does need to be addressed. Each side if they were to truly address it would come at it from an opposite view that would be intolerable to the other side. Therefore the can is continually kicked down the road. At some point, and maybe we are there or nearing that point, it will no longer be a matter of either higher taxes or cutting entitlements being enough. When I opposed President Obama, it wasn't because he was "from Kenya" or because of the color of his skin. I thought adding a new entitlement program would do long term damage to the country. I still feel that way. It's awfully hard to even cut an entitlement program, take Social Security for example, much less totally do away with it. I would prefer lower taxes and fewer entitlements, but the longer we as a country and not just individual parties kick the can down the road the harder and more painful the eventual fix will become.
timschochet
Footballguy
Tell her that if we get a Democrat next time there will be a taco truck on every corner.
I texted her back something similar, but, if I posted it here I'd probably get a time out.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
HellToupee
Footballguy
zoonation
Footballguy
It is pretty bad.This Democrat debate is about 10 times the gutter ball I thought it would be.
Biden sitting back with his feet up.
timschochet
Footballguy
I thought it was excellent.This Democrat debate is about 10 times the gutter ball I thought it would be.
knowledge dropper
Footballguy
I got 3 days in the hole for the tribbles reference. I need to be better. Creating the one pro-Trump thread has made me a target and I have to accept it.
knowledge dropper
Footballguy
knowledge dropper
Footballguy
Sadly, I had to spend part of my suspension watching the debate in Miami. Nobody in the upper bracket stood out as a threat to the throne. Unless Biden drops a bunch of racial slurs tonight, I am going to start breaking down Biden speech film next week.
Max Power
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2019/politics/who-spoke-most-at-democratic-debate-june/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.303dbcf7e3ca
Last night was underwhelming. This format isn't doing anyone any favors. Trump's tweets are getting as much airtime today as any candidate.
Last night was underwhelming. This format isn't doing anyone any favors. Trump's tweets are getting as much airtime today as any candidate.
GoBirds
Footballguy
Yep, plenty of
going on just have to ingnore them as threads like this aren’t treated the same as the Trump ranting threads. 
Widbil83
Footballguy
I’m hearing this bantered around quite a bit this morning and think it’s the opposite. As terrible as the other Democrat candidates are, half the people on that stage would have run circles around Biden. The guy hasn’t had an original thought in 30 years and has a proven track record of being terrible at running for President. If I were a Biden guy I would be scared to death after what I saw last night.
Widbil83
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