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sho nuff
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But that isn’t what Horowitz said...he stated it was legal and proper...didn't he? Even the renewal. In what was was it illegal...please cote something stating this...because the IG did not.
A former lawyer possibly going to jail...maybe...but based on what? Lets see an indictment rather than a referral first. As we heard that based on referrals and grand juries refused to indict people.
Max Power
Footballguy
He is refereed to as "former FBI Office of General Counsel (OGC) attorney" in this article that states the FBI needs to review his other casework for errors now.
https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/fisa-court-fbi-must-identify-all-cases-that-involved-lawyer-who-altered-carter-page-application/
timschochet
Footballguy
It would be great if the situation was as resolved as you’re claiming here but unfortunately that’s not the case. Things are temporarily stabilized and that’s a good thing but the future remains unknown.
It’s also a bit disingenuous to compare the US embassy in Bagdad, one of the most well protected and secure buildings in the world, to the unsecured non-embassy that we occupied in Benghazi.
John Blutarsky
Footballguy
If only requests for more security in Benghazi had happened.
https://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2016/oct/07/paul-ryan/state-department-under-hillary-clinton-refused-sec/
"There are disagreements about whether State acted reasonably, but that it didn't honor requests for additional security is established fact," said Georgetown University adjunct assistant professor Daveed Gartenstein-Ross, who is also a senior fellow at the Foundation for Defense of Democracies, which focuses on foreign policy and national security.
The State Department has acknowledged it rejected requests to provide more security personnel in Libya. It also acknowledged rejecting a request to erect guard towers at the Benghazi mission, but notes that a number of physical security upgrades, such as the installation of concrete barriers to block unused gates, were made during 2012.
The State Department’s own Accountability Review Board concluded that the number of diplomatic security staff in Benghazi in the months leading up to the attacks was inadequate "despite repeated requests" from the Benghazi mission and the embassy in Tripoli for additional staffing.
In addition, PolitiFact National has reported that the numerous requests from officials on the ground in Libya for better security for the Benghazi compound are undeniable and well-documented.
timschochet
Footballguy
I agree and so did Hillary Clinton. In her testimony to Congress she acknowledged that mistakes were made, delays that could have been avoided, errors in judgment. She apologized for all of it as Secretary of State. What she did NOT do is admit to some sort of deliberate conspiracy which some conservatives at the time were claiming (which was utter nonsense.)
But it’s still not comparable. Had the Benghazi compound been more secure some lives might have been saved but the final result would have been the same, because it was an indefensible building to begin with, completely different from our embassy in Bagdad.
You’ll note I am not criticizing President Trump’s actions in the last few days, (if I did I wouldn’t choose to post it in this thread, which I respect as a place for positive posts about the President.) I just don’t think it’s fair of @knowledge dropper and others to attempt to use this situation as way to denigrate Obama and Hillary over what happened in Benghazi, which was completely different.
John Blutarsky
Footballguy
I'd like to see links on this? Others? And from what I have seen, KD posted a tweet and it didn't mention Obama.
knowledge dropper
Footballguy
I like administrations that fix problems before they fix blame. In the case of Benghazi, it was all the fault of a cartoon?
timschochet
Footballguy
Hmm. I find myself unable to respond to this post in such a way that does not point out serious deficiencies in our current President, which I won’t do in this thread. So let’s just say I find your statement to be rather incompatible with your expressed support of Donald Trump.
John Blutarsky
Footballguy
Trump administration to approve the largest solar farm in the U.S.
https://thehill.com/changing-america/sustainability/energy/476489-the-trump-administration-could-approve-the-largest
https://thehill.com/changing-america/sustainability/energy/476489-the-trump-administration-could-approve-the-largest
James Daulton
Footballguy
The General
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Max Power
Footballguy
absolutely not. Horowitz never said the FISA warrants were legal and proper. The FBI lying to FISA courts and misrepresenting facts deprived the court the ability to make informed decisions. So the FISA was continued under false pretenses or fraudulently. This was so bad, the FISA courts came out publicly and are making the FBI state why they should be allowed to use FISA going forward and come up with a list of corrective actions to ensure this won't happen again.
The lawyer is going to jail because an email said "Carter Page is a source for the CIA". the Lawyer changed it to "Carter Page is not a source for the CIA" and that is what they submitted to the courts. If you can't see the wrongdoing in that, I can't help you.
boots11234
Footballguy
James Daulton
Footballguy
Link where Horowitz said the FISA warrants were illegal? Who will be going to jail for the unlawful FISA abuse? Besides the low level lawyer for a couple of days.
Max Power
Footballguy
Im not sure if Horowitz called them illegal. I believe his terminology was obtained under false pretenses. Which isnt "legal and proper".
No one is going to jail outside of that lawyer that I know of.
James Daulton
Footballguy
If they were obtained illegally, Horowitz would have called it out and recommended people for prosecution. While the FISA process clearly needs more oversite, it was not used to spy on Trump.
boots11234
Footballguy
https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/us-stocks-jan-2-2019
Now all we need is Trump to focus on our nations debt and BAM!! The gains we will see then!!
Now all we need is Trump to focus on our nations debt and BAM!! The gains we will see then!!
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SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
He didn’t go beyond the Page Fisa as far as that’s concerned.Max Power said:
HellToupee
Footballguy
Donald
boots11234
Footballguy
Don’t F with the Donald or you’ll be fired...on by attack helicopters.
That's exactly what we need, another armed conflict in the Middle East. Does nobody think about consequences anymore?
boots11234
Footballguy
Where is the location of that embassy? The Middle East! The idea of it being American soil is well past irrelevant here. We should not be authorizing what amounts to political assassinations here.
boots11234
Footballguy
RBM
Footballguy
He was a terrorist first and foremost to us. A terrorist that was actively planning to kill American citizens. What in God's name is wrong with you?
boots11234
Footballguy
I'm sick of dead soldiers that got that way fighting in wars that are completely unnecessary and frankly unwanted. I'm sick of the hawkish attitude that says pretty much exactly what you just said. By your logic, we should just glass the whole region while we're at it.
That's what in God's name is wrong with me. You want a war, you go fight it.
James Daulton
Footballguy
ShamrockPride
Footballguy
GoBirds
Footballguy
Are you suggesting they know better than the extreme left that bash everything under a trump presidency?Military leaders seem to support the actions.
Max Power
Footballguy
The feeling is that we have run the gamut in regards to our responses to Iranian and Iranian sponsored hostilities. Iran continued to poke the bear and after emerging threat streams appeared credible, the US executed a time sensitive strike. Iran has operated without repercussions for a while now.Are you suggesting they know better than the extreme left that bash everything under a trump presidency?
I'm not going to say if this was the right or wrong thing to do, but I'll say that this was a military recommendation. We have game planed for this and calculated the response.
yak651
Footballguy
So today we believe military leaders? I keep getting the days mixed up where they are to be believed and when they aren't
Max Power
Footballguy
What are you referring to?So today we believe military leaders? I keep getting the days mixed up where they are to be believed and when they aren't
GoBirds
Footballguy
It's kind of obvious what you do today, well everyday, is complain about anything under Trump. It gets old, we get it already and no need for it in this thread. Thanks.So today we believe military leaders? I keep getting the days mixed up where they are to be believed and when they aren't
yak651
Footballguy
General Mattis and John Kelly, thought their comments about POTUS weren't to be believed?
knowledge dropper
Footballguy
RBM
Footballguy
He was already killing American soldiers. I guess you're option is to let that continue. You're a real patriot.
HellToupee
Footballguy
Everyday we have to remember the true tenet of most here is Orange Man Bad
Widbil83
Footballguy
Every day we have to remember the Orange Man Bad crew are wrong about almost every prediction they make. Steele Dossier, Russian Collusion, pushing the imminent recession narrative last year.
The anti-Trump crew is almost always on the wrong side of history and that won’t change in 2020.
adonis
Footballguy
GoBirds
Footballguy
Seriously, we get it, they spend all day complaining about him. No matter what the issue they have to come in here and act like it’s the end of the world.....like groundhogs day with the same characters for 3 years. Every other thread in this forum is for that type complaining......yet they come?
squistion
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They are still batting ZERO. Trump with a masterful no hits, no runs and definitely no errors perfect game.
RBM
Footballguy
You'd think after three years of getting literally everything wrong they would just stop and try to understand. Such an unearned arrogance amongst them.
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