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6 minutes ago, The General said:

Why would either candidate step foot in those states from say their conventions on? Has Trump every stepped foot in Maine?

 

Yes, every last EV is important.  Given how few states there are in play and the permutations.  Even that 1 vote in Maine attracted Trump in 2016.  I had their districts reversed before, it's ME-2 in play

https://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/donald-trump-maine-224961

ETA, Clinton won NH in 2016 by fewer than 3,000 votes.  Very minimal change can swing 3 EV.  I'd be shocked if Trump didn't spend time in NH as well this time to try and flip it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_United_States_presidential_election_in_New_Hampshire

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6 minutes ago, Shula-holic said:

Yes, every last EV is important.  Given how few states there are in play and the permutations.  Even that 1 vote in Maine attracted Trump in 2016.  I had their districts reversed before, it's ME-2 in play

https://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/donald-trump-maine-224961

ETA, Clinton won NH in 2016 by fewer than 3,000 votes.  Very minimal change can swing 3 EV.  I'd be shocked if Trump didn't spend time in NH as well this time to try and flip it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_United_States_presidential_election_in_New_Hampshire

I'd be happy if he spends time there. Would have to come at the expense of Penn, Florida, and Michigan.

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5 minutes ago, tonydead said:

So will Clinton, and he still gets invited to all the ex president parties. Its just not that big of deal. 

Not only that, but they almost voted him back into the WH in 2016.  So I guess being impeached doesn't really matter after all.

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3 hours ago, The General said:

Good times for MAGA folks.

I think this is the high water mark for him. Impeachment done, Dems all bashing the #### out of each other. The number will hover here for a few months.

Once Dems pick a candidate will drop to 50/50. 

You actually think things will get better for the Democrats when they finally pick a candidate? Hate to break it to you but thats the point the wheels really start to fall off for Democrats. Especially with those candidates. 

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11 minutes ago, The General said:

I'd be happy if he spends time there. Would have to come at the expense of Penn, Florida, and Michigan.

But still valuable.  When you start looking at possibilities of states, there are scenarios where those make the difference.  And at the least they change the states he could afford to lose.  Right now, Trump could lose 2 of the 3 of WI/PA/MI and be fine.  I don't see a situation he could lose FL and be ok because it's hard for me to envision him winning those 3 states and losing FL.  To me it's bang for your buck.  Your visits to places such as ME and NH are very possibly proportionally more advantageous.  If you win 5,000 votes from a stop, is that more valuable in NH or FL?  It's statistically more likely to be the difference in NH or ME-2.  Ignoring them would be foolish.

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4 minutes ago, Widbil83 said:

You actually think things will get better for the Democrats when they finally pick a candidate? Hate to break it to you but thats the point the wheels really start to fall off for Democrats. Especially with those candidates. 

Especially when it heads for a contested convention.  And if they put someone in there other than who the people chose.  You think Iowa was a joke, hang on. 

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4 minutes ago, Shula-holic said:

But still valuable.  When you start looking at possibilities of states, there are scenarios where those make the difference.  And at the least they change the states he could afford to lose.  Right now, Trump could lose 2 of the 3 of WI/PA/MI and be fine.  I don't see a situation he could lose FL and be ok because it's hard for me to envision him winning those 3 states and losing FL.  To me it's bang for your buck.  Your visits to places such as ME and NH are very possibly proportionally more advantageous.  If you win 5,000 votes from a stop, is that more valuable in NH or FL?  It's statistically more likely to be the difference in NH or ME-2.  Ignoring them would be foolish.

Michigan has double the EV of both those states put together and was won by something like 10k votes. Much bigger bang for you buck there.

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9 minutes ago, Widbil83 said:

You actually think things will get better for the Democrats when they finally pick a candidate? Hate to break it to you but thats the point the wheels really start to fall off for Democrats. Especially with those candidates. 

Of course it will. There will be one candidate to rally behind.

I have full faith in Trump's ability to unite the Dem party.

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3 minutes ago, The General said:

Of course it will. There will be one candidate to rally behind.

I have full faith in Trump's ability to unite the Dem party.

Bernie, AOC, Talib, Omar, etc.-  the real leaders of the Democrat party - will never let that happen.

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2 minutes ago, BladeRunner said:

Bernie, AOC, Talib, Omar, etc.-  the real leaders of the Democrat party - will never let that happen.

I know you guys love AOC, Omar and Talib. But, Bernie is the only one of that group that matters and he has repeated at every chance the most important thing is to defeat Trump. 

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3 minutes ago, The General said:

I know you guys love AOC, Omar and Talib. But, Bernie is the only one of that group that matters and he has repeated at every chance the most important thing is to defeat Trump. 

Of course he and the gang are going to say that - they are trying to install Socialism.  Anything to distract you guys from that ultimate goal is the key.

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6 minutes ago, The General said:

Of course it will. There will be one candidate to rally behind.

I have full faith in Trump's ability to unite the Dem party.

You just had 62,000 less Democrats than in 2008 show up at the Iowa Caucus. There is zero enthusiasm for the Democrat candidates even from Democrats. You got a complete clunker on your hands.

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12 minutes ago, The General said:

Michigan has double the EV of both those states put together and was won by something like 10k votes. Much bigger bang for you buck there.

Sure, if it's that close.  I think WI is the lowest hanging fruit of the 3 of those for Trump.  In many ways MI may be the toughest for him.  Not that he should give up on that either, but I can promise you both Trump and whoever the Dem nominee is are both going to be in NH, and likely ME as well given that Trump got that one extra vote last time.

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2 minutes ago, Widbil83 said:

You just had 62,000 less Democrats than in 2008 show up at the Iowa Caucus. There is zero enthusiasm for the Democrat candidates even from Democrats. You got a complete clunker on your hands.

This is a legitimate concern although Iowa is going Trump either way I think.

His 28 billion socialist farmer bailout is cementing that. 

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18 minutes ago, The General said:

Michigan has double the EV of both those states put together and was won by something like 10k votes. Much bigger bang for you buck there.

Also, to point out the math there, take the 2016 map.  Say Trump loses MI and PA and only keeps the lowest EV state of those 3 rust belt states he flipped in WI.  He wins 270 to 268.  Well, how important is ME-2 then?  Because if he lost it as well it's 269-269 and goes to the House, currently held by the Democrats.  Then look at that from Trump's view, ok, if that happens, where can we gain?  The obvious answer is NH given how tight that was.  Given that WI is probably the one of the three that is most suited to Trump it's important to find ways from both standpoints to get ME-2 and NH.  The math of the map dictates it.  That's assuming the election is close again.

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3 minutes ago, The General said:

This is a legitimate concern although Iowa is going Trump either way I think.

His 28 billion socialist farmer bailout is cementing that. 

WI also will go Trump strong support from farmers and Americans who are greatful for his support for having the safest and lowest cost food in the world.  28 billion a small amount to pay.  However, maybe we shouldn’t count the Dems out with them wanting free healthcare for illegals.

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3 minutes ago, Gopher State said:

WI also will go Trump strong support from farmers and Americans who are greatful for his support for having the safest and lowest cost food in the world.  28 billion a small amount to pay.  However, maybe we shouldn’t count the Dems out with them wanting free healthcare for illegals.

I guess the socialist programs we support are in the eye of the beholder. 

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8 minutes ago, Shula-holic said:

Also, to point out the math there, take the 2016 map.  Say Trump loses MI and PA and only keeps the lowest EV state of those 3 rust belt states he flipped in WI.  He wins 270 to 268.  Well, how important is ME-2 then?  Because if he lost it as well it's 269-269 and goes to the House, currently held by the Democrats.  Then look at that from Trump's view, ok, if that happens, where can we gain?  The obvious answer is NH given how tight that was.  Given that WI is probably the one of the three that is most suited to Trump it's important to find ways from both standpoints to get ME-2 and NH.  The math of the map dictates it.  That's assuming the election is close again.

We can divide the board up any number of ways. Neither side is willing going to give up EVs but the amount of attention given to the 5 or so states that have gotten it over the past few elections is going to be the same. I’d be surprised if Maine, NH will get even slightly more attention than say Washington where I live and a fraction of what Penn, Florida, Michigan get. 

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1 minute ago, The General said:

We can divide the board up any number of ways. Neither side is willing going to give up EVs but the amount of attention given to the 5 or so states that have gotten it over the past few elections is going to be the same. I’d be surprised if Maine, NH will get even slightly more attention than say Washington where I live and a fraction of what Penn, Florida, Michigan get. 

You won't see either candidate in the general election, neither will I, but NH and ME-2 will.  Now, they certainly will not see the volume of attention and visits as those three rust belt states and Florida.  I'll leave it up to the campaigns to settle that argument for us.  I'll take the odds that NH and ME will get more general election visits than you and I do in WA and AL.

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29 minutes ago, The General said:

This is a legitimate concern although Iowa is going Trump either way I think.

His 28 billion socialist farmer bailout is cementing that. 

Just take Trump out of all that (I realize the irony of this being a Trump thread). For 3 years all we have heard is how energy the Democrats have. Then when it’s time to show up they didn’t.

I think we all know why if we’re being totally honest here, the candidates just stink. Like a couple tiers worse than Hillary bad. 

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2 minutes ago, Widbil83 said:

Just take Trump out of all that (I realize the irony of this being a Trump thread). For 3 years all we have heard is how energy the Democrats have. Then when it’s time to show up they didn’t.

I think we all know why if we’re being totally honest here, the candidates just stink. Like a couple tiers worse than Hillary bad. 

No one I’m particularly excited for but all better than Trump. When it gets down to one it will be easier to rally I believe unless people get their feelings hurt. 

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10 minutes ago, Widbil83 said:

Just take Trump out of all that (I realize the irony of this being a Trump thread). For 3 years all we have heard is how energy the Democrats have. Then when it’s time to show up they didn’t.

I think we all know why if we’re being totally honest here, the candidates just stink. Like a couple tiers worse than Hillary bad. 

The hand is totally shown here, Trump is beyond horrible so the strategy is to make the opposition unacceptable and thereby suppress D turnout. Almost all of these candidates have bios that are ethical, experienced and likable. So though folks like Graham try to rehab Trump constantly it’s pretty apparent no one believes it will be successful because just look at the overt strategy.

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1 minute ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

The hand is totally shown here, Trump is beyond horrible so the strategy is to make the opposition unacceptable. Almost all of these candidates have bios that are ethical, experienced and likable. So though folks like Graham try to rehab Trump constantly it’s pretty apparent no one believes it will be successful because just look at the overt strategy.

100% agree!

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9 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

The hand is totally shown here, Trump is beyond horrible so the strategy is to make the opposition unacceptable and thereby suppress D turnout. Almost all of these candidates have bios that are ethical, experienced and likable. So though folks like Graham try to rehab Trump constantly it’s pretty apparent no one believes it will be successful because just look at the overt strategy.

So Trump is suppressing the Democrat turnout? It’s his fault 62,000 less Democrats showed up last week in Iowa than in 2008? 

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5 minutes ago, Shula-holic said:

I was surprised how close MN came in 2016.  I haven't really given much thought to it in 2020 but I never thought I'd see the day it got as close as it did.

It won’t be that close this time.  2018 was big time D.

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3 minutes ago, Widbil83 said:

So Trump is suppressing the Democrat turnout? It’s his fault 62,000 less Democrats showed up last week in Iowa than in 2008? 

Voter suppression here means a strategy to discourage. I’m not referring to barriers to poll access or anything like that. Look at the discussion by Bannon. What is the point of raising Hillary’s failure to campaign in the Midwest in 2016? Sure the Dems could totally make the same mistake but I seriously doubt it. The point is the ‘arrogance’ tag, which elicits resentment, anger, disgust. 

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2 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Voter suppression here means a strategy to discourage. I’m not referring to barriers to poll access or anything like that. Look at the discussion by Bannon. What is the point of raising Hillary’s failure to campaign in the Midwest in 2016? Sure the Dems could totally make the same mistake but I seriously doubt it. The point is the ‘arrogance’ tag, which elicits resentment, anger, disgust. 

I would guess D turnout would not depend on Trump depressing numbers.  They have a clear reason to vote regardless of what he says.  Lower taxes on rich people, reduce benefits for everyone to pay for it.

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4 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Voter suppression here means a strategy to discourage. I’m not referring to barriers to poll access or anything like that. Look at the discussion by Bannon. What is the point of raising Hillary’s failure to campaign in the Midwest in 2016? Sure the Dems could totally make the same mistake but I seriously doubt it. The point is the ‘arrogance’ tag, which elicits resentment, anger, disgust. 

If that’s your definition of voter suppression, I am never turning on the news or picking up a newspaper again. I might just hide in a remote shack in the woods until November 3rd.

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1 hour ago, The General said:

This is a legitimate concern although Iowa is going Trump either way I think.

His 28 billion socialist farmer bailout is cementing that. 

The fact that we are even talking about voter turnout mattering for the Democrats should be a huge concern. It's Donald Trump, the worst president in our country's history, remember? If the Democrats can't get people to turnout for this election, the party has bigger concerns than just the presidential election.

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2 minutes ago, KingPrawn said:

The fact that we are even talking about voter turnout mattering for the Democrats should be a huge concern. It's Donald Trump, the worst president in our country's history, remember? If the Democrats can't get people to turnout for this election, the party has bigger concerns than just the presidential election.

True dat

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14 minutes ago, KingPrawn said:

The fact that we are even talking about voter turnout mattering for the Democrats should be a huge concern. It's Donald Trump, the worst president in our country's history, remember? If the Democrats can't get people to turnout for this election, the party has bigger concerns than just the presidential election.

Yes. It is one state but it’s not a great start. 

Dems had been doing well in prior elections post-Trump election so we’ll see what happens.

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6 hours ago, Maurile Tremblay said:

Trump has DOUBLED his chance of being re-elected since one year ago. The big uptick has been over the last three months.

https://electionbettingodds.com/President2020.html

He hasn’t done anything to cause this. And the impeachment had nothing to do with it (I still say it’s going to hurt him, perhaps fatally. ) 

It all has to do with the ever increasing chance that progressives are going to force a socialist candidate on the Democrats. 

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1 hour ago, timschochet said:

He hasn’t done anything to cause this. And the impeachment had nothing to do with it (I still say it’s going to hurt him, perhaps fatally. ) 

It all has to do with the ever increasing chance that progressives are going to force a socialist candidate on the Democrats. 

Come on Tim, you can't seriously believe that.

Just look at the s*** show the Democrat party is right now.  they haven't even elected their presidential candidate and biden has been the frontrunner forever.

Trump's approval, in my opinion, is due to the constant made up attacks against him and the complete chaos and civil war that is happening inside the Democrat party today.  The whole impeachment nonsense and mueller report fiasco has turned him into a martyr.  

I agree that the extreme left that's trying to take over the party is not helping, but it's not all due to socialism.  

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They should charge him with terrorism.

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The 27-year-old Florida man who police say drove a van into a tent that housed supporters for President Trump reportedly arrived in court on Sunday smiling and nodding to the cameras before he was seated, a report said.

Action News Jax reported that Gregory Timm, according to witnesses, ran over chairs and tables the day before at the Kernan Village shopping center.  Witnesses told the station that he recorded the scene moments after the incident, made an obscene gesture and sped off.

The Jacksonville Sheriff’s Office said via social media that 27-year-old Gregory William Loel Timm has been charged with two counts of aggravated assault on a person 65 years old or older, one count of criminal mischief and driving with a suspended license. The Republican party of Duval County said it had set up the tent on Saturday in order to register voters.

The county GOP said via Twitter that six volunteers for President Donald Trump’s campaign “were intentionally targeted while registering voters.”

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.foxnews.com/us/arrest-made-after-van-plowed-through-tent-of-trump-supporters-in-a-florida-parking-lot.amp

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5 minutes ago, Widbil83 said:

Hopefully he gets his felony record before 11/3.  
 

Dangerous rhetoric from the left has consequences.  Glad everyone is okay.  This loon belongs off the streets forever.  

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13 hours ago, Widbil83 said:

If that’s your definition of voter suppression, I am never turning on the news or picking up a newspaper again. I might just hide in a remote shack in the woods until November 3rd.

I'll agree to call it whatever you like, but the clear strategy is to decrease anti-Trump turnout. That's done by creating the impression of 'they all suck just as much as Trump' or creating wedge between Sanders and moderates, or creating faux corruption scenarios and parallels with Trump's own moral and ethical failings. The point is to generate a sense of disgust that will blur the liens between Trump and opponents, leading to people who are genuinely appalled by Trump from GOP, Indy or Dem tracts to just not show up, vote 3rd party, or simply pull the lever for Trump because he's {cough} not 'a politician'.

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More bad news for the Democrat candidates-

Jonathan Karl@jonkarl

Cold rain, snow and lots of Trump supporters.  Despite the miserable weather, there are already more people lining up outside the venue of @realDonaldTrump ‘s rally tonight than you see at most of the events for the Democratic candidates. Some have been out here all night

https://twitter.com/jonkarl/status/1226895888037093376?s=21

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23 minutes ago, Widbil83 said:

More bad news for the Democrat candidates-

Jonathan Karl@jonkarl

Cold rain, snow and lots of Trump supporters.  Despite the miserable weather, there are already more people lining up outside the venue of @realDonaldTrump ‘s rally tonight than you see at most of the events for the Democratic candidates. Some have been out here all night

https://twitter.com/jonkarl/status/1226895888037093376?s=21

He’s got some great new material for tonight.  Is FoxNews broadcasting?  

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25 minutes ago, Widbil83 said:

More bad news for the Democrat candidates-

Jonathan Karl@jonkarl

Cold rain, snow and lots of Trump supporters.  Despite the miserable weather, there are already more people lining up outside the venue of @realDonaldTrump ‘s rally tonight than you see at most of the events for the Democratic candidates. Some have been out here all night

https://twitter.com/jonkarl/status/1226895888037093376?s=21

He's not sleeping on how close NH was in 2016.  There's going to be a press to turn those 3 EV red.

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