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Just now, boots11234 said:

If we all ignore the poster in question perhaps he’ll just go away.  

Definitely wouldn’t engage or indulge him in any conversation. Problem is he’s like a tattletale in grammar school , imo. It’s like a hobby for him to report people he politically disagrees with , imo of course 

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2 minutes ago, HellToupee said:

Definitely wouldn’t engage or indulge him in any conversation. Problem is he’s like a tattletale in grammar school , imo. It’s like a hobby for him to report people he politically disagrees with , imo of course 

It would be for example, now this is strictly an example mind you, how pigeons treat a wounded pigeon with a broken leg. They leave it alone and eventually it just limps away and dies presumably. 

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6 hours ago, Gopher State said:

They showed Trump at the Daytona 500 on the news.  More Trump flags in the infield then American flags.  The crowd went crazy when they played his 2016 campaign song you don’t always get what you want.  No protesters or boos, he’s getting stronger.

 

The Rolling Stones have repeatedly Asked Trump to quit using their song.

Just something to think about.  Or don’t think.   Your choice.

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6 minutes ago, knowledge dropper said:

Sounds like he is legally allowed to use these songs and it’s not the artists call. 

The song is about Maryanne Faithfull’s heroine addiction and her ability to manipulate people in order to score. He’s totally entitled to use it, the question is why people just blithely ignore the message.

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2 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

The song is about Maryanne Faithful’s heroine addiction and her ability to manipulate people in order to score. He’s totally entitled to use it, the question is why people just blithely ignore the message.

I doubt a lot of people know the original message of 50-year old songs. They apply certain lines of the song to today and enjoy the music.  

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Harvard Law School professor emeritus Alan Dershowitz told Breitbart News Sunday this weekend that billionaire left-wing financier George Soros told then-President Barack Obama to investigate someone.

Dershowitz would not identify who, precisely, the target of the investigation was, but said that the name would soon emerge in in a lawsuit that had yet to be filed.

The revelation was so startling that this host had to double-check:

Q: But let me just ask you — you said that George Soros asked Barack Obama to have his Justice Department investigate somebody?

Dershowitz: We’re — that’s going to come out in a lawsuit in the near future. Yeah

Q: Wow, well, we look forward to hearing more about that new.

Dershowitz: That’s not unusual. That is not unusual. People whisper to presidents all the time. Presidents whisper to [the] Justice Department all the time. It’s very common. It’s wrong, whoever does it, but it’s common, and we shouldn’t think that it’s unique to any particular president. I have in my possession the actual 302 form [an FBI record of an interview], which documents this issue, and it will, at the right time, come out. But I’m not free to disclose it now because it’s a case that’s not yet been filed.

 

Well this sounds interesting...

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In addition, Dershowitz reflected on his experience in the impeachment trial of President Donald Trump, noting that his argument had been grotesquely distorted by CNN — so much so that he could, if he wanted to, sue the network.

CNN — and House impeachment managers — claimed Dershowitz said that the president can do whatever he wants to do, as long as he claims to have believed he was acting in the public interest. Dershowitz had specifically said that criminal-like behavior was indeed impeachable.

 

Also this...

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2 hours ago, knowledge dropper said:

I doubt a lot of people know the original message of 50-year old songs. They apply certain lines of the song to today and enjoy the music.  

Oooof, that's the biggest But Trump! hot take I've heard in awhile.  Frustration must be setting in.

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My apologies Gents, if anyone of you felt like I was trolling with my comment/question yesterday about abortion.  It was not a troll.  I've tried to be respectful of this thread and ask genuine questions or give Trump a kudos for a policy issue I've liked.    

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15 hours ago, Gopher State said:

They showed Trump at the Daytona 500 on the news.  More Trump flags in the infield then American flags.  The crowd went crazy when they played his 2016 campaign song you don’t always get what you want.  No protesters or boos, he’s getting stronger.

Like I said. Nascar is 100% Trumpland.

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45 minutes ago, tonydead said:

Biden dead. 

There are many that will sit out rather than vote for Bloomberg. 

Lots of people are convinced Socialism won't win.

Is the hope now Pete or Amy somehow get the nomination AND are capable of beating Trump?

I think nobody will have a majority of the delegates heading into the convention. It’s pretty likely, IMO, that the two candidates with the most delegates will be Sanders and Bloomberg, who aren’t really Democrats.

My hope is that the contested convention will bypass those two front-runners and coalesce behind an actual Democrat like Buttigieg or Klobuchar, who will go on to win in November.

So, basically, yes.

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On 2/15/2020 at 9:06 AM, Dinsy Ejotuz said:

Per 538: Since polling, 8 presidents ran for reelection after full first term. Net approval ratings on day 1121 for winners:

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  • GWB +4.5
  • BHO +2.1

Losers:

  • JEC +21.9 (hostages)
  • GHWB -1.5

Trump is -8.9. [which is his best standing in nearly three years]

I think this line at Obama is interesting because IIRC Obama was the first modern president to lose electoral votes and win. Trump has much less room (304-227, 77 / ~39 EV difference) than Obama did vs his first run (365-173, 192 / ~97 EV difference). Obama won 2012 by 126, so he lost 66 EVs after having been +2.1 at this point.

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1 hour ago, tonydead said:

Biden dead. 

There are many that will sit out rather than vote for Bloomberg. 

Lots of people are convinced Socialism won't win.

Is the hope now Pete or Amy somehow get the nomination AND are capable of beating Trump?

Agree with this. I do think both Pete or Amy could win but I agree with the betting markets that have Trump a slight favorite right now.

I disagree about Bloomberg but that he isn’t out there talking is a huge red flag. He’s the media expert so he’s probably got it all plotted out but seems bad at the moment.

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8 minutes ago, The General said:

Agree with this. I do think both Pete or Amy could win but I agree with the betting markets that have Trump a slight favorite right now.

I disagree about Bloomberg but that he isn’t out there talking is a huge red flag. He’s the media expert so he’s probably got it all plotted out but seems bad at the moment.

Republican's to win the presidency is -180 and Trump specifically at -170.  The best (or worst) it's ever been.  That's my point.

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With each passing day ahead of the 2020 United States presidential election, Donald Trump's odds to spend another four years in the White House continues to improve.

Bloomberg is the only guy favored head to head.

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6 minutes ago, tonydead said:

Republican's to win the presidency is -180 and Trump specifically at -170.  The best (or worst) it's ever been.  That's my point.

Oddsshark:

Bloomberg is the only guy favored head to head.

Don’t you think those odds come down when the Dems have one candidate?  I think these odds reflect them crapping the bed and being all over the place. 

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13 minutes ago, tonydead said:

Republican's to win the presidency is -180 and Trump specifically at -170.  The best (or worst) it's ever been.  That's my point.

Oddsshark:

Bloomberg is the only guy favored head to head.

If Trump were to lose do we like Bloomberg better than the other old career politicians on the Left from a small business owner perspective?

 

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Just now, GoBirds said:

If Trump were to lose do we like Bloomberg better than the other old career politicians on the Left from a small business owner perspective?

 

I do, simply because I believe Bloomberg is just saying what it takes to get elected.  Take his stop and frisk reversal, it came only when he decided to run for President years later.  Less than a year ago he is on tape saying he would never go on an apology tour like Joe Biden, yet here he is.  I think if he got in office he's not going to be as anti-business as many of the others.

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4 minutes ago, The General said:

Don’t you think those odds come down when the Dems have one candidate?  I think these odds reflect them crapping the bed and being all over the place. 

Currently, that's what the head to head odds represent.  Bloomberg is the only one favored -105/+125.  Pete or Bernie are +125/-105

MT talks about a contested election in hopes of getting Pete or Amy the nomination.  If Pete has to get it that way I suspect his odds go down. 

 

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2 minutes ago, GoBirds said:

If Trump were to lose do we like Bloomberg better than the other old career politicians on the Left from a small business owner perspective?

 

I have no idea, haven't had the opportunity to hear him talk yet.  I don't think he's on the stage Wednesday.

I suppose I should start reading about him.

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7 minutes ago, tonydead said:

Currently, that's what the head to head odds represent.  Bloomberg is the only one favored -105/+125.  Pete or Bernie are +125/-105

MT talks about a contested election in hopes of getting Pete or Amy the nomination.  If Pete has to get it that way I suspect his odds go down. 

 

We’ll see. Unless there’s some disaster at the Dem Convention I’d expect these betting lines to tighten up. To close to 50/50 as the margin of victory is razor thin.

Trump has had his best month or so maybe over his whole 3 years but still has those unfavorable numbers that are locked in no matter what he does at this point.

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2 minutes ago, The General said:

We’ll see. Unless there’s some disaster at the Dem Convention I’d expect these betting lines to tighten up. To close to 50/50 as the margin of victory is razor thin.

Trump has had his best month or so maybe over his whole 3 years but still has those unfavorable numbers that are locked in no matter what he does at this point.

Some light reading for you.

I think Newsweek is left leaning isn't it?

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24 minutes ago, The General said:

Yeah like the article title says that could happen.

Sanders versus everyone else. Sanders has the most rabid supporters.

 

Of course it could. Right now it’s about 33% of a chance, and that’s baked into the odds. The difference being if it happens it goes to 100% baked in and I don’t think it’s a good thing by nature. And if Pete or someone else is picked by the superdelegates that isn’t the favorite you can’t convince me that’s a good thing for the Democrats or the odds.  

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22 hours ago, beef said:

What verses would you say explicitly state God's view on abortion?  I don't know of any where abortion is a major talking point, other than some dark prophesies in the OT about ripping babies from wombs.  

Then there is Genesis 2.7 -  "Then the Lord God formed a man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being."  

Without the breath of life, is a baby living?  I'm not advocating for or against abortion and am personally against it and would never ask a woman to have one.  

I’m not an expert but the first thought that came to mind was Luke 1:39-44. Mary visits Elizabeth while Elizabeth is pregnant. When Mary greets Elizabeth the babe leaps in Elizabeth’s womb.  The reference is to a baby. For what it’s worth. 

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2 hours ago, tonydead said:

Biden dead. 

There are many that will sit out rather than vote for Bloomberg. 

Lots of people are convinced Socialism won't win.

Is the hope now Pete or Amy somehow get the nomination AND are capable of beating Trump?

I’ll admit, while trump is riling up crowds at Daytona the dems are floundering around, no one gaining momentum. MT I believe keeps saying that the odds will even out once a candidate is picked, but when might that happen? Trump shows these large crowds over and over while the dems get blasted for “socialism” and have a bunch of candidates that all have question marks. Seriously, the last time we had a dem president the world didn’t end, and the country rebounded from some tough times, and regardless of who ends up there it will be more of the same. Trump, Warren, sanders, Biden, bill weld, the country will keep moving along. Doesn’t really matter imo. But right now if you asked the general public two questions you’d get these answers:

Whats the first word that comes to mind when I say Bernie Sanders? (Socialism likely)

Are you ready for “socialist” policies? (Likely pretty uneasy about “socialism.”)

This is the unified voice of the Republican Party right here- dem=socialist, socialist=evil. And it’s effective. And you see trump at Daytona and everyone cheers, it’s hard to imagine the odds evening out with whatever time is left after the dems choose a candidate. 

 

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8 minutes ago, Snorkelson said:

I’ll admit, while trump is riling up crowds at Daytona the dems are floundering around, no one gaining momentum. MT I believe keeps saying that the odds will even out once a candidate is picked, but when might that happen? Trump shows these large crowds over and over while the dems get blasted for “socialism” and have a bunch of candidates that all have question marks. Seriously, the last time we had a dem president the world didn’t end, and the country rebounded from some tough times, and regardless of who ends up there it will be more of the same. Trump, Warren, sanders, Biden, bill weld, the country will keep moving along. Doesn’t really matter imo. But right now if you asked the general public two questions you’d get these answers:

Whats the first word that comes to mind when I say Bernie Sanders? (Socialism likely)

Are you ready for “socialist” policies? (Likely pretty uneasy about “socialism.”)

This is the unified voice of the Republican Party right here- dem=socialist, socialist=evil. And it’s effective. And you see trump at Daytona and everyone cheers, it’s hard to imagine the odds evening out with whatever time is left after the dems choose a candidate. 

 

I don't think MT has been saying that, Tim has.  The head to head lines should be exactly where they are today, if today there were less or only one candidate.  Obviously if Amy (+200) drops out then Trump's overall odds decrease, if Pete (+125) drops out then Trump's overall odds increase.  That's how the math works.

Warren = Sanders = Socialism = things like M4A and tuition reimbursement.  None of those will get my vote and I hope a lot of other American's votes.

 

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1 hour ago, tonydead said:

Of course it could. Right now it’s about 33% of a chance, and that’s baked into the odds. The difference being if it happens it goes to 100% baked in and I don’t think it’s a good thing by nature. And if Pete or someone else is picked by the superdelegates that isn’t the favorite you can’t convince me that’s a good thing for the Democrats or the odds.  

Pete is the most inspirational I think of the moderate Dems. Amazing speaker, good story. Young, vet. 

Klobacher about as boring as they get but if that’s what people want there you go.

Bernie to me is the biggest wild card. A lot of young people seem to want this.

If Trump were to quit Twitter for the summer do his rallies in key spots, the economy keeps strong stock market just holds steady it will be 50/50, down to a few states making all the difference. 

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9 minutes ago, The General said:

If Trump were to quit Twitter for the summer do his rallies in key spots, the economy keeps strong stock market just holds steady it will be 50/50, down to a few states making all the difference. 

If you think that then you should take the field at +160 now while you can get it.

 

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On 2/12/2020 at 2:59 PM, Sheriff Bart said:

Now on Bovada Trump -$185 but republican party -$190, which is interesting, and dem party +$145

Current on Bovada Trump -$170 but republican party -$180, which is interesting, and dem party +$135

 

They added a new bet though:

Which party will win the popular vote in the 2020 Presidential Election?

Democrats -$165    Republicans +$125

 

Most, if not all of us, know why these two bets are seemingly contradictory but aren't.  IMO highlights a major problem with the POTUS election.

 

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7 minutes ago, Sheriff Bart said:

Current on Bovada Trump -$170 but republican party -$180, which is interesting, and dem party +$135

They added a new bet though:

Which party will win the popular vote in the 2020 Presidential Election?

Democrats -$165    Republicans +$125

Most, if not all of us, know why these two bets are seemingly contradictory but aren't.  IMO highlights a major problem with the POTUS election.

What problem is that?   Basing your entire POTUS election strategy around the popular vote?  :)

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8 minutes ago, Sheriff Bart said:

Current on Bovada Trump -$170 but republican party -$180, which is interesting, and dem party +$135

 

They added a new bet though:

Which party will win the popular vote in the 2020 Presidential Election?

Democrats -$165    Republicans +$125

 

Most, if not all of us, know why these two bets are seemingly contradictory but aren't.  IMO highlights a major problem with the POTUS election.

 

The numbers make sense and we know as it stands today that a divergence in the electoral college results when compared to the popular vote results more likely favors Trump.  Even though Bush beat Gore in 2000 in similar fashion,  leading up to that election the odds of such a split actually more favored Gore to be the beneficiary of such a split.  Over time those type chances can flip flop. 

Today it's more likely because of how polarized the nation is and people tend to "live with their own".  We live under a federalist system where the states are supposed to share power with the federal government and this system does give power to those individual states.  It's the very same reason we have a separate House and Senate and why one gives states more power while the other is strictly based on population.  I always find it interesting since Trump's election that the electoral college system that's spelled out in the Constitution comes under fire the most from the same folks who called Trump a threat to the Constitution.  

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5 minutes ago, Shula-holic said:

The numbers make sense and we know as it stands today that a divergence in the electoral college results when compared to the popular vote results more likely favors Trump.  Even though Bush beat Gore in 2000 in similar fashion,  leading up to that election the odds of such a split actually more favored Gore to be the beneficiary of such a split.  Over time those type chances can flip flop. 

Today it's more likely because of how polarized the nation is and people tend to "live with their own".  We live under a federalist system where the states are supposed to share power with the federal government and this system does give power to those individual states.  It's the very same reason we have a separate House and Senate and why one gives states more power while the other is strictly based on population.  I always find it interesting since Trump's election that the electoral college system that's spelled out in the Constitution comes under fire the most from the same folks who called Trump a threat to the Constitution.  

Correct but the founders effort to make sure that everyone is represented has given a disproportionate amount of power to the minority of people.

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Just now, Sheriff Bart said:

Correct but I the founders effort to make sure that everyone is represented has given a disproportionate amount of power to the minority of people.

My belief is they did it to make absolutely sure that minority views, especially if said minority views federally were majority views within those individual states, are represented and protected. From the beginning, the federal government always needed support of the individual states.

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1 minute ago, Shula-holic said:

My belief is they did it to make absolutely sure that minority views, especially if said minority views federally were majority views within those individual states, are represented and protected. From the beginning, the federal government always needed support of the individual states.

I agree but I don't think they did it with the intention of giving them power over the majority.  They were interested in equality.

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44 minutes ago, Shula-holic said:

We live under a federalist system where the states are supposed to share power with the federal government and this system does give power to those individual states.  It's the very same reason we have a separate House and Senate and why one gives states more power while the other is strictly based on population.  I always find it interesting since Trump's election that the electoral college system that's spelled out in the Constitution comes under fire the most from the same folks who called Trump a threat to the Constitution.  

I tend to agree with you since I support the EC myself, but this point would have legs if Trump supporters weren’t so regularly cheering the dismantling of several of the US Constitution’s other provisions daily just in the way you say. One threat or outcome of that is the radicalization of opposition. 

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