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3 minutes ago, knowledge dropper said:

Don Lemon pointed this out and her handlers botched it. 

I live in Ohio.  She has no buzz here. 

Umm...the concept of what buzz someone has to one person doesn't seem like a reliable way to judge this overall.  I think I will wait to see how she does when actually there or speaking or how the polls come out about her.  How she does in key states that would be in play (Michigan, Wisconsin...).  

What did she botch...  What exactly is the issue about the black vs african american thing?

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12 minutes ago, knowledge dropper said:

The whole black vs. African American debate will go front and center.  She has not handled well and could easily implode on her.  She is picking up on some ideas like $100 billion loan assistance for blacks and back to busing.  She does not play well in the states she needs to and picks unpopular sides (eg Jussie Smollet and anti Knights of Columbus). 

She is one of the easiest targets in a 1:1 race.  

Same could've been said about Obama.  He won.  Didn't rise to any meaningful level in discussions.

This is primarily an issue folks who oppose her politically are clinging to in hopes that it damages her electability.

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5 minutes ago, sho nuff said:

Umm...the concept of what buzz someone has to one person doesn't seem like a reliable way to judge this overall.  I think I will wait to see how she does when actually there or speaking or how the polls come out about her.  How she does in key states that would be in play (Michigan, Wisconsin...).  

What did she botch...  What exactly is the issue about the black vs african american thing?

Google the Lemon interview.  

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3 minutes ago, knowledge dropper said:

Google the Lemon interview.  

Here is the exchange with Ryan I think you are talking about. But what was the botch by her camp? I have only heard her refer to herself as black, not African-American, but obviously haven't heard everything. 
https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1145447135455961090

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53 minutes ago, timschochet said:

You guys are creating a false narrative in your minds. It doesn’t exist. Yes, eventually there will be a schism between progressive and centrist Democrats and we’ll have to see where it goes. But not now. Democrats are unified like never before to defeat Trump. They won’t sit at home. They won’t split their votes. 

We’re really not though.  The Democrat candidates all raised their hands in favor of giving healthcare to non citizens and Democrats in Congress are accusing our federal border agents of running “concentration camps.”  Immigration is the #1 issue to Americans in almost every poll/survey, and Democrats have completely went off the path to winning any votes besides the fringe left.  I’ve never felt more confident than today that President Trump will be re-elected. 

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1 hour ago, Widbil83 said:

President Trump back up to 50% and 3pts higher than Obama at this point in his presidency. :thumbup:

http://m.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/trump_administration/prez_track_jul08

Obama:

09-Jul-11

-18 Approval Index

23% Strongly Approve

41% Strongly Disapprove

46% Total Approve

53% Total Disapprove

******

Trump:

09-Jul-19

-7 Approval Index

35% Strongly Approve

42% Strongly Disapprove

49% Total Approve

51% Total Disapprove

******

- Trump's doing better than Obama at this point. It's probably worth remembering this was Obama in the midst of spending political capital on the health care debate.

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8 minutes ago, knowledge dropper said:

Google the Lemon interview.  

I will...but was asking for your take on it...an opinion, if you will.  Not that of a talking head.

Ive read the notes from the interview...and other articles about the whole thing.  Lemon comes off not so good...but worse is Don Jr. and then the defense from Tucker Carlson.

I don't think attacking her race will be a winning issue for anyone.

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6 minutes ago, Widbil83 said:

We’re really not though.  The Democrat candidates all raised their hands in favor of giving healthcare to non citizens and Democrats in Congress are accusing our federal border agents of running “concentration camps.”  Immigration is the #1 issue to Americans in almost every poll/survey, and Democrats have completely went off the path to winning any votes besides the fringe left.  I’ve never felt more confident than today that President Trump will be re-elected. 

Immigration is a huge issue.  Where do voters sit on path to citizenship?

Healthcare is a huge issue.  Where do voters sit on healthcare?

I don't think they went as far off path as you think.  Because we will see what they mean by "coverage" for non-citizens (who we already cover in a way already...a point that continues to be missed).

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5 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Obama:

09-Jul-11

-18 Approval Index

23% Strongly Approve

41% Strongly Disapprove

46% Total Approve

53% Total Disapprove

******

Trump:

09-Jul-19

-7 Approval Index

35% Strongly Approve

42% Strongly Disapprove

49% Total Approve

51% Total Disapprove

******

- Trump's doing better than Obama at this point. It's probably worth remembering this was Obama in the midst of spending political capital on the health care debate.

And its all withing the margin of error.

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12 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Obama:

09-Jul-11

-18 Approval Index

23% Strongly Approve

41% Strongly Disapprove

46% Total Approve

53% Total Disapprove

******

Trump:

09-Jul-19

-7 Approval Index

35% Strongly Approve

42% Strongly Disapprove

49% Total Approve

51% Total Disapprove

******

- Trump's doing better than Obama at this point. It's probably worth remembering this was Obama in the midst of spending political capital on the health care debate.

Trump is also in the middle of finally addressing immigration.  

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13 minutes ago, sho nuff said:

I will...but was asking for your take on it...an opinion, if you will.  Not that of a talking head.

Ive read the notes from the interview...and other articles about the whole thing.  Lemon comes off not so good...but worse is Don Jr. and then the defense from Tucker Carlson.

I don't think attacking her race will be a winning issue for anyone.

I don’t like Lemon, but I don’t feel like he handled this poorly.  Seems like an important issue to him.  

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28 minutes ago, knowledge dropper said:

Truman was a good President that guided us through some of our toughest times after inheriting a mess.  He had to make some of the toughest decisions any President had to make.  Sometimes doing the RIGHT thing is not the POPULAR thing.  People will start to recognize that (and I think they already are) and Trump will get re-elected.   

Clearly deflecting from the point that Trump's approval rating isn't actually improving, but I'll play... What tough decisions has Trump had to make?

And better yet, what has he done right? So far he's increased our federal debt, lifted sanctions on our enemies, added tariffs to our allies, obstructed justice, denied climate change and repealed EPA regulations to hasten it, and more. I'm sure he's done a few things right - a blind squirrel occasionally finds a nut. But he's clearly done more harm than good. 

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14 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Obama:

09-Jul-11

-18 Approval Index

23% Strongly Approve

41% Strongly Disapprove

46% Total Approve

53% Total Disapprove

******

Trump:

09-Jul-19

-7 Approval Index

35% Strongly Approve

42% Strongly Disapprove

49% Total Approve

51% Total Disapprove

******

- Trump's doing better than Obama at this point. It's probably worth remembering this was Obama in the midst of spending political capital on the health care debate.

In a poll directed specifically to conservatives.  Sorry charlie, Trump will always hover between 40-45% and that's it with regular people. 

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Sometimes people like to take moral fiber into account when voting, so here's a little copypasta for some to review and others to blindly ignore. I've linked a couple but many more sources are linked in the original here: https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/caca8y/why_the_trump_white_house_is_caught_up_in_the/

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“Jane Doe” alleges Donald Trump sexually assaulted her on four separate occasions, culminating in a rape when she was just 13 at Jeffrey Epstein’s mansion.

Her evidence? Three sworn declarations – from her, a friend she confided in at the time, AND one of Epstein’s recruiters.

This case was filed in New York federal court in 2016. You can read her pleading here The case was NOT dismissed. Jane withdrew her complaint on November 4, 2016, saying she was “afraid to show her face” due to “numerous threats” against her.

Jane came to New York in June 1994 “in the hope of starting a modeling career.” She soon met "Tiffany," who offered to bring her to parties where she could meet folks in the business - hosted by Epstein.

This is eerily similar to tales of recruiters in MiamiHerald's reporting.

Jane claims Trump had “sexual contact" with her at four parties she attended that summer. She understood both Trump and Epstein "knew that [she] was 13 years old.”

The fourth time, she says "Trump tied me to a bed, exposed himself to me, and then proceeded to forcibly rape me."

Jane claims a 12-year-old named Maria was forced to be involved in the third encounter. She never saw Maria again after that.

Following the rape, Jane says Trump threatened to hurt her and her family if she ever told anyone. He suggested he could make her “disappear like Maria.”

Jane is not the only witness offered in this filing. A woman using the pseudonym “Joan Doe” attests that she is willing to testify that Jane told her about the sexual encounters with Trump and Epstein “in the 1994-95 school year.”

Here is her sworn declaration

Jane also filed a sworn declaration from Tiffany, who says Epstein employed her starting in 1991 “to get attractive adolescent women to attend these parties.” Tiffany corroborates Jane’s story and claims to have “personally witnessed” the four encounters between Jane and Trump.

Tiffany also claims she personally witnessed the “one occasion where Mr. Trump forced [Jane] and a 12-year-old female named Maria [to] perform oral sex” on him. She also claims to have witnessed Trump’s later threats against Jane.

Tiffany says she worked for Epstein until 2000.

Trump admits to a close friendship with Epstein. He told New York magazine in 2002:

“I’ve known Jeff for fifteen years. Terrific guy...it is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side.”

MotherJones' description of Trump's modeling agency is eerily similar to parts of Epstein's scheme as well.

Though there is less reporting on this, Trump seems to have illegally brought girls as young as 14 to the U.S. to work uncompensated. Sounds a lot like trafficking, no?

Flash forward to 2007. Epstein is being prosecuted for “assembling a large, cult-like network of underage girls – with the help of young female recruiters.”

The prosecutor? Future Trump Labor Secretary, Alex Acosta.

Epstein’s attorney? Future Trump mouthpiece, Alan Dershowitz.

According to the MiamiHerald report this week, Acosta worked with Dershowitz to give Epstein a sweetheart deal - just 13 months in county jail.

Perhaps more egregious, Acosta "granted immunity to 'any potential co-conspirators’" in these crimes.

This unusual move not only exempts Trump from criminal prosecution for raping Jane Doe. It also protects Dershowitz.

Virginia Roberts claims Alan had sex with her "six times...the first time was when I was about 16, early on in my servitude to Epstein.’’

Ten years after Acosta coddled Epstein and gave immunity to his co-conspirators, Trump appointed Acosta Secretary of Labor.

If you recall, Acosta replaced Andrew Puzder, who was charged with serious domestic abuse.

Abusive behavior is not the exception here. It is the rule.

I have no way of verifying Jane's claims. But three sworn declarations filed in federal court ARE evidence. Congruence with details in the MiamiHerald and multiple ties to Trumps' inner circle add credibility.

At the very least, Jane must be heard. We all deserve the truth.

Here is more on Epstein that matches details in the MiamiHerald reports: being forced to give him massages, Epstein forcing digital penetration, his irritation at her protests, etc.

Listen to her voice. Listen to her story.

Here she recounts her first encounter with Trump when she was 13. Her description matches his known idiosyncrasies and germophobia:

He required her to touch him with a glove.

"He seemed to take a liking to me because I was so young...he kind of liked things to be his first."

"Donald Trump specifically asked about me because I remind him of his daughter, and she said, 'Well, she's 13 as well.'"

I know we avoid seriously discussing this because it is disturbing beyond comprehension. But we all know what Trump has said about Ivanka.

This. Adds. Up.

You can watch her full recorded testimony here It is dated February 11, 2016.

Based on all of the details we now know, her story is very credible. It is past time we confront this as a nation.

 

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40 minutes ago, knowledge dropper said:

Trump is also in the middle of finally addressing immigration.  

Which begs the question.  Why is he just now finally doing that?  It was his major campaign issue and with control of congress nothing happened.  In fact, the government shut down because of an inability to get something done and immigration was the wedge issue.

 

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14 minutes ago, sho nuff said:

Which begs the question.  Why is he just now finally doing that?  It was his major campaign issue and with control of congress nothing happened.  In fact, the government #### down because of an inability to get something done and immigration was the wedge issue.

 

#### = shut?

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1 hour ago, Mystery Achiever said:
1 hour ago, knowledge dropper said:

Google the Lemon interview.  

Here is the exchange with Ryan I think you are talking about. But what was the botch by her camp? I have only heard her refer to herself as black, not African-American, but obviously haven't heard everything. 
https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1145447135455961090

Harris didn't botch anything. It's just a talking point being pushed by bots and by people who think Blexit is real.

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1 hour ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Obama:

09-Jul-11

-18 Approval Index

23% Strongly Approve

41% Strongly Disapprove

46% Total Approve

53% Total Disapprove

******

Trump:

09-Jul-19

-7 Approval Index

35% Strongly Approve

42% Strongly Disapprove

49% Total Approve

51% Total Disapprove

******

- Trump's doing better than Obama at this point. It's probably worth remembering this was Obama in the midst of spending political capital on the health care debate.

True, but Obama always has the entire media supporting him at that time and they still blamed EVERYTHING on Bush. 

Today Trump has 95% of the media against him and they still blame him for pictures of kids in cages from 2014 during the Obama years. 

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9 minutes ago, Widbil83 said:

True, but Obama always has the entire media supporting him at that time and they still blamed EVERYTHING on Bush. 

Today Trump has 95% of the media against him and they still blame him for pictures of kids in cages from 2014 during the Obama years. 

Geez, talk about beating a talking point to death. :deadhorse:

Trump has earned that negative press. Even Murdoch's paid shills can't keep the tone positive half the time.

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3 hours ago, GoBirds said:

Regarding Biden, as many knock that our current President is a reality show start does it negatively impact Biden that he’s attempting to look like Bob Barker while getting owned by other candidates?

I’ve been wayyyyy ahead of the Biden curve around here as our good buddy Tim can vouch for. I’m not even sure Democrats can prop him up like Bernie Lomax long enough to get through New Hampshire.  Which opens it up for Sanders, who is the only Democrat candidate who as any sort of chance become President in 2020.

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23 minutes ago, Widbil83 said:

I’ve been wayyyyy ahead of the Biden curve around here as our good buddy Tim can vouch for. I’m not even sure Democrats can prop him up like Bernie Lomax long enough to get through New Hampshire.  Which opens it up for Sanders, who is the only Democrat candidate who as any sort of chance become President in 2020.

A Democrat who openly calls himself a Socialist would be the dream nominee for you.

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35 minutes ago, Widbil83 said:

I’ve been wayyyyy ahead of the Biden curve around here as our good buddy Tim can vouch for. I’m not even sure Democrats can prop him up like Bernie Lomax long enough to get through New Hampshire.  Which opens it up for Sanders, who is the only Democrat candidate who as any sort of chance become President in 2020.

Bernie will be a gimme putt for Trump.  

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3 minutes ago, sho nuff said:

We already are giving them healthcare. You think they get turned away at the ER?

If someone is railing against giving non-citizens free healthcare, logically they should be against ER treatment too. I would hope that would be a step too far even for the most hard hearted, but sometimes I am not so sure.

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44 minutes ago, Widbil83 said:

True, but Obama always has the entire media supporting him at that time and they still blamed EVERYTHING on Bush. 

Today Trump has 95% of the media against him and they still blame him for pictures of kids in cages from 2014 during the Obama years. 

I thought KD had a good point above about Trump driving the immigration issue, though I am not sure if that's really costly for Trump. I really don't know.

The press issue always come down the same way - Trump's supporters see it as a motivating factor and they are clearly not turned off by negative reports. Reagan was teflon but it was nothing like this, it's like 'the spoon does not exist' stuff. There is no teflon, there is no pan, there is no egg, Trump just floats high above it all, not only impervious but untouchable under any conceivable circumstances. And I'm not saying that as a criticism, I promise (at least not here), I'm just saying the role of the press has almost no effect on Trump himself.

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1 hour ago, James Daulton said:

In a poll directed specifically to conservatives.  Sorry charlie, Trump will always hover between 40-45% and that's it with regular people. 

I think it's fair as a benchmark against itself though. Actually when I looked that up in the link Widbill provided I actually suspected the strong approve/disapprove numbers would look different, but actually Trump is doing pretty well there too. - I just keep pointing out that modeling off of Obama 2012 is not necessarily a good thing, Obama lost EVs and percentage in 2012. Trump has to improve on his own 2016.

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THIS story represents a real problem for Trump: 

https://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe/watch/miners-union-invites-20-dems-to-coal-country-63525957636

In 2016 coal workers were all for Trump, who promised to do everything he could to protect their jobs (Hillary promised to find them new jobs since she predicted coal was a dying industry.) 

Trump has kept all his promises- he’s done everything he could to keep this industry going. And it hasn’t helped; the jobs are disappearing at a faster rate than even before. Now the coal workers appear at least willing to listen to the Democrats. 

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15 minutes ago, knowledge dropper said:

Bernie will be a gimme putt for Trump.  

I don’t believe that at all for several reasons.

1. He’s authentic.  Much like Trump he’s not afraid to stick to his guns. 

2. He’s not a puppet like the rest of the Democrat field.  He’s running against complete phonies. 

3. His supporters. Next to Trump his supporters are the most enthusiastic.  

Some of my other Trump brethren have had the same reaction thinking Sanders would get stomped, but all I’m saying is careful what you wish for. 

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38 minutes ago, timschochet said:

Again you’re not paying attention to what’s actually happening. As I write this, Bernie supporters are defecting in droves to Liz Warren. 

And Bidens went to Harris after then first debate.

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