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53 minutes ago, tonydead said:

Please list out how it's dangerous to say they are testing drugs that might help.  "Maybe they will or maybe they won't."  How is that dangerous exactly?  I've got to see this list of dangers you are talking about.

It is dangerous for leadership to use unclear language. 

Saying you are hopeful or a “Big Fan” of chloroquine is great we are all hopeful even Peter whatever his name is from NBC! 

It means nothing however and we now know this because of people asking questions.

The FDA has not yet approved this as a treatment for COVIS leading to confusion. Fauci and every DOCTOR stress the need for clinical study. 

I realize Trump likes to think he could have been doctor and diminish people who are experts in fields where he knows nothing but his experts have to clean up his statements because what he says is frequently nonsensical. That is dangerous. Every president would face the same critique and parsing of their words.

The guy tossed him an opportunity to say some "we are all in this together, we are all hoping for the best, etc." Instead he takes it as a personal attack when it's his inadequacy to communicate that is the problem. 

 

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19 minutes ago, Sneegor said:

Aren't you the guy who originally said we should just let the virus run its course and infect everyone right away and now you are for completely shutting everything down?  :lol: 😷

Yes, I had bad information then. I didn’t realize how much of a threat it is to our older population. I was very wrong. I decided that it would be wise to listen to the experts. That’s what I’m doing. 

But none of this has anything to do with what your wrote. Your statement that California and New York are willing to shut down and destroy our economies in order to defeat Trump is so incredibly insane that I sincerely hope it’s nothing but shtick on your part. If it isn’t, please seek help is my best advice. 

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31 minutes ago, timschochet said:

Wow. Are there truly people who believe this? 

Here in the people’s republic of Illinois there absolutely is. Especially restaurant owners I know who were trying to scratch by on carryout/takeout who will be forced to close down tomorrow.  

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1 minute ago, Widbil83 said:

Here in the people’s republic of Illinois there absolutely is. Especially restaurant owners I know who were trying to scratch by on carryout/takeout who will be forced to close down tomorrow.  

They think this is all being done to destroy Trump? I see. Do you believe this as well? 

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16 minutes ago, tonydead said:

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2 hours ago, boots11234 said:

Trump cannot win. OMB. He’s suppose to be hopeful yet when he is he’s vilified when he isn’t he’s vilified. The media is driving the panic, even drudge. I surprised we arnt all dead yet. This is going to end up being a huge over reaction I’m starting to think. 

 

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23 minutes ago, tonydead said:

I'll write my congressman and let him know KPD on FBGs thinks he knows better than the experts in Washington.

Do I?  We don't know.  Because THE EXPERT ON EVERYTHING, KING TRUMP makes all of the real experts be quiet unless they want to lose their jobs.

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What is hard to understand about what is going to happen?  It's plain as day.  It has happened in China and Italy and it is happening here.  If you don't test and severely restrict the free movement of everyone, the virus will spread like wildfire, overwhelm the health system and leave thousands dead and many more thousands with lifelong complications (lung damage).

What is political about it?

Yeah, the economy is gonna tank so that we can save lives.  Is that a trade off Americans are unwilling to make?

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3 minutes ago, tonydead said:

A couple things here General:

1- Over reaction does not mean it's "nothing".  In fact it would have to be something to garner any reaction.

2- My name is not boots.

We are all very hopeful that this drug helps.

The president saying that he's a big fan and seeing great things, saying it's available as soon as the FDA cuts through the redtape and then your expert comes up and says you’ve got to be careful when you say ‘fairly effective.’ It was never done in a clinical trial that compared it to anything. It was given to individuals and felt that maybe it works. 

Without Fauci there everyone would be racing to get this drug, where is it, who gets it, why don't we have more, on and on. It causes confusion and distraction.

Trump should let his experts speak on medical issues he needs to be very careful in how he talks about issues that he is out of his depth. He has Fauci right there let him talk to us. He is knowledgable and skilled in talking to the media let the guy do his job.

 

 

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17 minutes ago, KPD said:

Do I?  We don't know.  Because THE EXPERT ON EVERYTHING, KING TRUMP makes all of the real experts be quiet unless they want to lose their jobs.

Hot take!  But Trump!

Take this crap to the safe space threads.

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30 minutes ago, timschochet said:

They think this is all being done to destroy Trump? I see. Do you believe this as well? 

Oh I don’t know about that, I was referring to Pritzker’s shelter in place order. There is a still a lot of confusion here as to who and what will be open. 

I do think It’s funny JB endorsed Biden on Monday and thought it was safe enough for us to vote 3 days ago.

 

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8 minutes ago, The General said:

We are all very hopeful that this drug helps.

The president saying that he's a big fan and seeing great things, saying it's available as soon as the FDA cuts through the redtape and then your expert comes up and says you’ve got to be careful when you say ‘fairly effective.’ It was never done in a clinical trial that compared it to anything. It was given to individuals and felt that maybe it works. 

Without Fauci there everyone would be racing to get this drug, where is it, who gets it, why don't we have more, on and on. It causes confusion and distraction.

Trump should let his experts speak on medical issues he needs to be very careful in how he talks about issues that he is out of his depth. He has Fauci right there let him talk to us. He is knowledgable and skilled in talking to the media let the guy do his job.

 

 

"racing out to get this drug"

Ok, not that dangerous, you have to have a prescription.

Anything else can you dream up that is "dangerous"?

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1 minute ago, tonydead said:

"racing out to get this drug"

Ok, not that dangerous, you have to have a prescription.

Anything else can you dream up that is "dangerous"?

People are going nuts for TP,  lining up for hours to buy crap at Costco. I'm sure they wouldn't lose their mind if they think there is some miracle drug out there.

People definitely wouldn't think up any type conspiracy theories on this.

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15 minutes ago, The General said:

We are all very hopeful that this drug helps.

The president saying that he's a big fan and seeing great things, saying it's available as soon as the FDA cuts through the redtape and then your expert comes up and says you’ve got to be careful when you say ‘fairly effective.’ It was never done in a clinical trial that compared it to anything. It was given to individuals and felt that maybe it works. 

Without Fauci there everyone would be racing to get this drug, where is it, who gets it, why don't we have more, on and on. It causes confusion and distraction.

Trump should let his experts speak on medical issues he needs to be very careful in how he talks about issues that he is out of his depth. He has Fauci right there let him talk to us. He is knowledgable and skilled in talking to the media let the guy do his job.

 

 

Anecdotal, but doctors are already calling in prescriptions for this for their families that don't even have Covid yet.  Fun society we have here.

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1 hour ago, tonydead said:

I'll write my congressman and let him know KPD on FBGs thinks he knows better than the experts in Washington.

 

17 minutes ago, tonydead said:

Hot take!  But Trump!

Take this crap to the safe space threads.

Hey buddy, I just added to your crap pile.  I can't help it that you #### in your own thread.   How can we know if my opinion differs from experts that Trump silences?  Maybe it doesn't. 

Look at Italy.  Just because Trump doesn't want to rock the boat and enforce closures nationally yet doesn't mean it isn't coming.  And it would be better if he did it sooner rather than later.

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1 minute ago, The General said:

People are going nuts for TP,  lining up for hours to buy crap at Costco. I'm sure they wouldn't lose their mind if they think there is some miracle drug out there.

People definitely wouldn't think up any type conspiracy theories on this.

A couple things here General:

1- You can't hoard prescription drugs like you can TP.  You need a prescription that limits you.

2- Nobody said there is a miracle drug out there.  They went out of their way to stay there is no miracle drug or cure. 

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1 minute ago, KPD said:

 

Hey buddy, I just added to your crap pile.  I can't help it that you #### in your own thread.   How can we know if my opinion differs from experts that Trump silences?  Maybe it doesn't. 

Look at Italy.  Just because Trump doesn't want to rock the boat and enforce closures nationally yet doesn't mean it isn't coming.  And it would be better if he did it sooner rather than later.

Dr. Fauci spoke for quite awhile this morning, perhaps you missed it?   It may indeed be coming, but, the experts currently aren't anticipating having to.  

Please try and control yourself in here.  Plenty of other threads to spread disinformation in.

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8 minutes ago, KPD said:

 

Hey buddy, I just added to your crap pile.  I can't help it that you #### in your own thread.   How can we know if my opinion differs from experts that Trump silences?  Maybe it doesn't. 

Look at Italy.  Just because Trump doesn't want to rock the boat and enforce closures nationally yet doesn't mean it isn't coming.  And it would be better if he did it sooner rather than later.

Unbelievable this stuff is allowed 

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3 minutes ago, tonydead said:

A couple things here General:

1- You can't hoard prescription drugs like you can TP.  You need a prescription that limits you.

2- Nobody said there is a miracle drug out there.  They went out of their way to stay there is no miracle drug or cure. 

They went out of their way to explain because people follow up with questions. That's role the media plays in this. 

Trump having a fit isn't productive. Poor leadership and shouldn't be celebrated.

We'll hope this drug does something.

 

 

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4 minutes ago, tonydead said:

Dr. Fauci spoke for quite awhile this morning, perhaps you missed it?   It may indeed be coming, but, the experts currently aren't anticipating having to.  

Please try and control yourself in here.  Plenty of other threads to spread disinformation in.

He was probably too busy spreading his #FreeFauci hashtag on twitter during the presser.

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1 minute ago, The General said:

They went out of their way to explain because people follow up with questions. That's role the media plays in this. 

Trump having a fit isn't productive. Poor leadership and shouldn't be celebrated.

We'll hope this drug does something.

 

 

No.  Fauci said that way before this exchange even happened.  That's what gave Peter the great idea to try and push his narrative.  Wait, you didn't even watch it, did you.

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14 minutes ago, tonydead said:

No.  Fauci said that way before this exchange even happened.  That's what gave Peter the great idea to try and push his narrative.  Wait, you didn't even watch it, did you.

Fauci was answering questions cleaning up Trump's comments before and after the exchange with Peter. 

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On 3/19/2020 at 6:35 PM, tonydead said:

The biggest reason for the shortage was the first test developed by the CDC, back in January in SOP response, failed.  Trump probably said some things but I doubt that had any affect on the CDC's efforts. 

This is Robert Redfield, Trump's appointee to head the CDC.

Note this is the second Director CDC under Trump. The first Brenda Fitzgerald had to resign because she had investments in tobacco companies, which yaknow sorta conflicted with the CDC's mission.

Before Fitzgerald, Trump waited 7 months to even name a director after entering office, but he fired the prior director. So for 7 months the CDC was leaderless.

Anyway, here's Redfield (& Fitzgerald):

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Redfield's early engagement with the AIDS epidemic in the US in the 1980s and 90s was controversial. As an Army major at Walter Reed Medical Institute, he designed policies for controlling the disease within the US military that involved placing infected personnel in quarantine and investigating their pasts to identify and track possible sexual partners. Soldiers were routinely discharged and left to die of AIDS, humiliated and jobless, often abandoned by their families.

In the 1980s Redfield worked closely with W. Shepherd Smith, Jr. and his Christian organization, Americans for a Sound AIDS/HIV Policy, or ASAP. The group maintained that AIDS was "God's judgment" against homosexuals, spread in an America weakened by single-parent households and loss of family values.

Redfield wrote the introduction to a 1990 book, "Christians in the Age of AIDS," co-written by Smith, in which he denounced distribution of sterile needles to drug users and condoms to sexually active adults, and described anti-discrimination programs as the efforts of "false prophets."

In the early 1990's, ASAP and Redfield also backed H.R. 2788, a House bill sponsored by deeply conservative Rep. William Dannemeyer (R-California). It would have subjected people with HIV to testing, loss of professional licenses and would have effectively quarantined them. (The bill died in Congress.) In the 2000s, Redfield was a top advocate for the so-called "ABCs of AIDS" in Africa, pressing to prevent HIV infection through sexual abstinence, monogamy and the use of condoms only as a last resort.

In 1992, Redfield, then a colonel, was part of a Walter Reed team backing an AIDS vaccine called VaxSyn, manufactured by a Connecticut company, MicroGeneSys. Redfield claimed that a small clinical trial had shown VaxSyn to protect the immune systems of infected soldiers, limiting the worst outcomes of AIDS.

Because this was a clear exaggeration, the Army investigated Redfield, eventually concluding he had made an innocent mistake. Redfield continued to strongly support VaxSyn, pushing Congress to fund a $20 million clinical trial on HIV-positive men. But VaxSyn never worked, and no fine-tuning in its biochemistry could have made a difference.

Independent scientists showed that the MicroGeneSys compound targeted a part of the HIV virus that mutates so frequently that infected individuals' bodies are filled with multiple forms, most of which VaxSyn could not affect.

The White House has had a hard time choosing, vetting and retaining top appointees. After 16 months in office the President has fired or accepted the resignations of 23 top officials, including Redfield's predecessors, Dr. Thomas Frieden and Dr. Brenda Fitzgerald. 

Six months later, Dr. Fitzgerald, then state health commissioner in Georgia, was appointed to lead the agency that protects Americans from epidemics, water contamination, cancer-causing compounds and hundreds of other health threats, at a salary of $197,000. Questions were immediately raised about her relationship with the Coca-Cola Corporation and their sponsorship, at her behest, of a Georgia anti-obesity campaign.

In September Fitzgerald made decisions in CDC's Atlanta headquarters involving $28.6 million worth of private contracts for electronic data-keeping relevant to opioid prescriptions. One of the companies receiving those grants was Greenway Health, in which Fitzgerald and her husband held stock worth $300,000. Senate queries led to a larger investigation and the discovery that she continued in December to hold stocks in pharmaceutical and medical management companies that posed clear conflict violations.

And on Jan. 30 she submitted her resignation, following a Politico disclosure that the Fitzgeralds owned tens of thousands of dollars' worth of tobacco stocks, some of which had been purchased after her CDC appointment.

- So it's interesting that you place blame on the CDC when maybe look who has been placing the leadership over it in such incompetent, corrupt hands.

Btw, there's nothing wrong with Messonnier - head of the National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases - but she clearly doesn't make decisions on requisitions, she's a medical expert, and yet she is never on the dais with Trump and she is not part of the official leadership team. Weird.

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2 hours ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

So it's interesting that you place blame on the CDC when maybe look who has been placing the leadership over it in such incompetent, corrupt hands.

He is repeatedly corrupting key government positions.

Today...

The Trump administration has hired Anna Seidman, formerly a longtime lawyer at the trophy hunting advocacy group Safari Club International, to lead the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service’s international affairs program.

:thumbdown:

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19 minutes ago, BigSteelThrill said:

He is repeatedly corrupting key government positions.

Today...

The Trump administration has hired Anna Seidman, formerly a longtime lawyer at the trophy hunting advocacy group Safari Club International, to lead the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service’s international affairs program.

:thumbdown:

you realize that people hunt responsibly right?

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28 minutes ago, boots11234 said:

you realize that people hunt responsibly right?

She was not mentioned as a hunter at all in my post.  Instead as a lawyer/profiteer who advocates for getting access to kill animals.

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12 minutes ago, BigSteelThrill said:

She was not mentioned as a hunter at all in my post.  Instead as a lawyer/profiteer who advocates for getting access to kill animals.

Is she single?  If so you got her number?  Sounds like my type of gal.  Giraffe with catchup.  YUMMY!!

 

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13 hours ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

This is Robert Redfield, Trump's appointee to head the CDC.

Note this is the second Director CDC under Trump. The first Brenda Fitzgerald had to resign because she had investments in tobacco companies, which yaknow sorta conflicted with the CDC's mission.

Before Fitzgerald, Trump waited 7 months to even name a director after entering office, but he fired the prior director. So for 7 months the CDC was leaderless.

Anyway, here's Redfield (& Fitzgerald):

- So it's interesting that you place blame on the CDC when maybe look who has been placing the leadership over it in such incompetent, corrupt hands.

Btw, there's nothing wrong with Messonnier - head of the National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases - but she clearly doesn't make decisions on requisitions, she's a medical expert, and yet she is never on the dais with Trump and she is not part of the official leadership team. Weird.

Wow. Looks like you had a fun Friday night. 

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11 hours ago, timschochet said:

From what I’ve read, Trump’s sons do not. 

Did you see that Inslee is NOT shuttering Washington or even King County yesterday?  He had some ground breaking ideas how to enforce social distancing tho. Told parents to keep kids from hanging out together by threatening to take their inheritance away. Yes ladies and gentlemen, that is how the leftist elite thinks the world works, getting your children to do something responsible by threatening to take away their fortunes.

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The (Trump/Pompeo/Barr) Justice Department has quietly asked Congress for the ability to ask chief judges to detain people indefinitely without trial during emergencies — part of a push for new powers that comes as the coronavirus spreads through the United States.

 

That would be a suspension of all your American rights.  :missing:

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2 minutes ago, BigSteelThrill said:

The (Trump/Pompeo) Justice Department has quietly asked Congress for the ability to ask chief judges to detain people indefinitely without trial during emergencies — part of a push for new powers that comes as the coronavirus spreads through the United States.

 

That would be a suspension of all your American rights.  :missing:

Not a fan of this at all.

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15 hours ago, BigSteelThrill said:

The (Trump/Pompeo/Barr) Justice Department has quietly asked Congress for the ability to ask chief judges to detain people indefinitely without trial during emergencies — part of a push for new powers that comes as the coronavirus spreads through the United States.

 

That would be a suspension of all your American rights.  :missing:

Can finally “Lock her up.”

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