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Either way it's BS. People get banned for nicknames and you get nothing for insults. Random mods jump in deleting what they don't like, protecting your ignorance.Dude, I had nothing to do with the posts being deleted, yours or mine. It is unfortunate my clever retort to you was also deleted.
My grammar is fine, thank you. I don't wish for or need your help.
And FYI:
Irony is deliberately contrary to what is expected. An example of irony is accidentally blowing yourself up inside your bomb shelter. That would be ironic. People bickering, from either side is the opposite of that, it is what I would expect in here. The term you were looking for is hypocritical; people saying not to do it while doing it themselves. It may be hypocritical, but, it's not ironic. [\spoiler]
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knowledge dropper
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Warren is the biggest phony in politics and it's not even close. I'd make a list, but, I'd probably run out of characters.
timschochet
Footballguy
So the other day I wrote that healthcare is a winning issue for Democrats IF they support Obamacare. The latest polling seems to bear that out. A slight majority of Democrats supports single payer (Medicare for All) but only 14% of Republicans support it, and only about 38% of independents.
Can it be any more clear? If next year's election is about Medicare for All, Trump wins (at least on that issue.) If next years election is about Obamacare, Trump loses.
So of the 5 viable candidates on the Democratic side, which ones want Medicare for all? Warren and Sanders, no surprise. Which ones want to strengthen Obamacare? Biden and Buttigieg. And Harris is back on forth, seemingly on both sides.
Buttigieg has no real shot at the nomination, I only call him "viable" at the moment because of polling numbers. Thus my conclusion: Biden and Harris can beat Trump, Warren and Sanders won't.
Anybody disagree?
Can it be any more clear? If next year's election is about Medicare for All, Trump wins (at least on that issue.) If next years election is about Obamacare, Trump loses.
So of the 5 viable candidates on the Democratic side, which ones want Medicare for all? Warren and Sanders, no surprise. Which ones want to strengthen Obamacare? Biden and Buttigieg. And Harris is back on forth, seemingly on both sides.
Buttigieg has no real shot at the nomination, I only call him "viable" at the moment because of polling numbers. Thus my conclusion: Biden and Harris can beat Trump, Warren and Sanders won't.
Anybody disagree?
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
With all due respect, that is contradictory. Running against Hillary and the 2020 Dem slate has nothing to do with his sweeping claims of authoritarian powers he claims that are in Article II but which are not. He did not specify them, but our Constitution is one of limited executive powers, don't you agree? As a conservative you must.
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knowledge dropper
Footballguy
Biden is the only one that can beat Trump. Only 4 candidates are realistically in the hunt. Mayor Pete has too much ground to pick up.
knowledge dropper
Footballguy
timschochet
Footballguy
I tend to agree with you about Buttigieg but he has to be considered because of his money. At least for the time being. I also think that if somehow he could win the nomination he could beat Trump.
I also agree that I really don't like Bernie's and Warren's chances. But you're far too absolute. I think Warren could beat Trump, it's just that I don't like her odds. But it's not impossible.
My biggest disagreement with you is Harris. Harris will run in the general (should she get there) as a centrist and she can certainly win. In fact I think she would have to be favored at this point.
Truth be told, I went into this election thinking the same way I did in 2008: that the race for President was between Democrats, and that the winner of the primaries would easily be elected. Part of me still feels this way but I am concerned about public attitudes toward progressive proposals.
The General
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BigSteelThrill
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sho nuff
Footballguy
I figured you already had Warren in the final four of socialists category.
I think the warren native story is pretty overblown (though she also erred in her handling of if). I don't think she or any of them are phonies really. And its a pretty laughable thing when compared to Trump.
Harris planned it...yeah, so what?
That also ignores other candidates.
timschochet
Footballguy
You know, you and HellToupee and a few others have asserted this, but honestly I'm not seeing it. Is it just the Native American thing? Or are there examples of her being a phony that I'm just not aware of?
sho nuff
Footballguy
So? Trump eats an extraordinary amount of fast food and crap food and is severely overweight.
The General
Footballguy
Trump wrote the letter for his quack doctor
Look some things are just not up for debate. Trump is obese. He eats bad food and gets no exercise. He looks like death warmed over.
I am genuinely impressed he hasn’t had a heart attack or other major health issue.
sho nuff
Footballguy
That find it funny? You need a link to me finding something funny?
https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/81500708
Or that which has indicators that Obama was quite healthy?
I think anybody but Hillary beats Trump. I think Bernie would've won in 2016 if they'd let him through.
identikit
Footballguy
He's got you blocked, so he'll conveniently never see this. He's got me blocked, too, so he won't even see the link in my quote. The lengths they'll go to in order to believe Trump's lies... just astounding.
I'll be shocked if he survives the next term (although he'll be watching/raving from the sidelines).
sho nuff
Footballguy
Better or worse than Trump talking about the Bible?
Note: before the “no whataboutism” posts, she was called the most phony in politics...so a comparison to others is in context of the discussion.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Why do you think he as limiting it to immigration? He's saying that Article II provides powers that no on in America has ever heard of.
And where in Article II of the Constitution does it refer to emergency powers?
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rockaction
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I think she's a phony, but no more so than some of their lot. Duncan Hunter is ####### phony as #### and is going to cost our conservative district an R seat. I'm madder at him.
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identikit
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The General
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sho nuff
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Mystery Achiever
Footballguy
You could say this falls under "they all pull stuff", but I gave this one in another thread abut her going after JPM about how taxpayers bailed them out in 08, knowing full well JPM didn't need the bailout but was forced by the gov't to take it and paid back with interest.
HellToupee
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kwille
Footballguy
She faked her heritage. She hid that she used to be a Republican. She pretends to fight the rich while living in a three story multi million dollar Victorian house with a seven figure bank account. And before you had to explain how fake she sounds every time she talks she does it for you with that beer video. Her whole persona is a facade, equally if not worse than Hillary.
timschochet
Footballguy
Come on. Seriously?
I really don't care about crap like this, or Dukakis wearing a helmet, or Romney trying to sing "Who let the dogs out?" etc. etc. I really really hate it.
When you say phony I assume you mean she is pretending to be for something she is really against, or vice versa. That's what I'm looking for- assuming that it's an important issue.
identikit
Footballguy
timschochet
Footballguy
OK. Again I was hoping for something substantial. Stuff like "she pretends to fight the rich while being rich"- who ####### cares?
You mentioned Hillary. Let me tell you where Hillary was a phony. In the middle of her campaign she saw that TPP was unpopular and so she came out against it. Except we all knew she was for it. That pissed me off. I didn't stop supporting her because there was nobody else for me. But it really disappointed me. Or Claire McCaskill, about to lose for Senator, desperately agreeing with Trump's diatribe about the caravans. That's the kind of crap I'm talking about. Lying about an important issue in order to make some voters happy.
Do you have an example of Warren doing this? Because if you do I'll agree with you that she's fake.
timschochet
Footballguy
And yeah, I don't like the way she talks. Beto as well. Both sound insincere to me. But that's not what I'm talking about.
Mystery Achiever
Footballguy
What about mine above. Between her roles in TARP and the Senate, there aren't many better positioned to know JP Morgan wasn't bailed out by taxpayers.
timschochet
Footballguy
I didn't see it, sorry.
I'd have to read more about it but yeah, that seems like a much better example.
timschochet
Footballguy
I want to add on this that one thing that has always really bothered me about Warren, and Bernie for that matter, is that its not enough for them simply to propose banking changes to benefit poorer people- they also constantly feel the need to demonize bankers, make them into villains. It's a leftist thing and I hate it. But until you just pointed that out I wasn't aware that she was being disingenuous about it.
If I had a nickle for every loaded politician that lied about fighting the banks and taxing the rich I'd be loaded.
Hillary swapped positions on a issue? That's like changing pantsuits. Lizzy was a registered Republican until age 47, she's got a whole new costume on, mask included.
Mystery Achiever
Footballguy
Here you go, @timschochet
Warren's tweet:.@Chase: why aren’t customers saving money?
Taxpayers: we lost our jobs/homes/savings but gave you a $25b bailout
What happened:http://archive.boston.com/business/articles/2009/05/15/first_nine_banks_were_forced_to_take_bailouts/
Warren's tweet:.@Chase: why aren’t customers saving money?
Taxpayers: we lost our jobs/homes/savings but gave you a $25b bailout
What happened:http://archive.boston.com/business/articles/2009/05/15/first_nine_banks_were_forced_to_take_bailouts/
timschochet
Footballguy
I was a registered Republican a few years ago too. Ronald Reagan was a Democrat for years. That doesn’t prove phoniness.
timschochet
Footballguy
Thanks. Doesn’t look good.
This may sound naive but could she have made a mistake?
Mystery Achiever
Footballguy
I don't see how someone involved with the TARP program and then in the senate could be that uninformed. I've never been i
Like I said she was involved in TARP (how I 1st came to know of her) and then the senate. And it's public record as per Globe article. And I share your sentiment about she and Sanders demonizing
HellToupee
Footballguy
Widbil83
Footballguy
Harris is terribly fake. At least Liz comes off sincere and passionate when talking about issues. Too bad for her she lived most of her life as a fake.
Widbil83
Footballguy
They have to come in here and crap out the 24 hour outrage from CNN and MSNBC. It’s there duty!
Mystery Achiever
Footballguy
The justification was that she was saying she's not one that has a portfolio of stocks ( though that also seems untrue). But the juxtaposition of when in the discussion she insters the "I'm not one of them" line doesn't really support that. It is true though, that the context of the discussion was stock ownership by people in Congress
"Elizabeth was making the point that, unlike many members of Congress, she does not have a broad portfolio of stocks in individual companies. If elected, she'll get rid of the one stock she does own."
Actual video exchange: https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/buzzfeedpolitics/elizabeth-warren-says-shes-not-in-the-1
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