What's new
Fantasy Football - Footballguys Forums

Welcome to Our Forums. Once you've registered and logged in, you're primed to talk football, among other topics, with the sharpest and most experienced fantasy players on the internet.

TRUMP TO INFINITY AND BEYOND HQ - The Great and Positive Place (8 Viewers)

Ramblin Wreck said:
Ah okay.  So Baltimore and Ferguson happened on Obama's watch because of his policies?
Click to expand...
Since then, the Justice Department has launched 70 investigations into state and local law enforcement agencies and has negotiated 40 reform agreements, half of which are court-enforced consent decrees. The Obama administration was particularly active with this policy, enforcing 14 consent decrees for troubled police agencies, from Ferguson, Missouri, to Baltimore. 
Click to expand...
MJ

- Fwiw I don't think Obama DOJ should be held blameless for what happened under their watch, before Ferguson IIRC they sort of followed what had been prior DOJ R/D civil rights policy, but these oversight and consent decree measures not only helped reform (I'm in such a city btw) they helped quell things. People want to know and see that something is being done. I also think (just my personal belief) that when PD's know they might get audited and end up with the true PITA that is oversight that they behave better knowing that. It's also my understanding that Trump, especially under Sessions, ended all that. Just my POV, it's meant constructively.

 
squistion said:
thread that Hell Toupee originally started and then for whatever reason the thread mysteriously vanished. I just continued the fine tradition of spotlighting the tweets of our President.
Click to expand...
That’s right I started the thread and then it was axed because someone or more kept reporting posts. Gee I wonder who kept doing that. There was no snarky comments added to posts , just Donald’s tweets , unlike now.

 
Last edited by a moderator:
SaintsInDome2006 said:
MJ

- Fwiw I don't think Obama DOJ should be held blameless for what happened under their watch, before Ferguson IIRC they sort of followed what had been prior DOJ R/D civil rights policy, but these oversight and consent decree measures not only helped reform (I'm in such a city btw) they helped quell things. People want to know and see that something is being done. I also think (just my personal belief) that when PD's know they might get audited and end up with the true PITA that is oversight that they behave better knowing that. It's also my understanding that Trump, especially under Sessions, ended all that. Just my POV, it's meant constructively.
Click to expand...
Imagine what Biden could have done if they used DOJ resources on this instead of spying and plotting against Trump.  

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
MJ

- Fwiw I don't think Obama DOJ should be held blameless for what happened under their watch, before Ferguson IIRC they sort of followed what had been prior DOJ R/D civil rights policy, but these oversight and consent decree measures not only helped reform (I'm in such a city btw) they helped quell things. People want to know and see that something is being done. I also think (just my personal belief) that when PD's know they might get audited and end up with the true PITA that is oversight that they behave better knowing that. It's also my understanding that Trump, especially under Sessions, ended all that. Just my POV, it's meant constructively.
Click to expand...
You can't even compare what's going on now with any protest/riot/looting that went on previously.  Everybody (for the most part) has been under stay-at-home orders for months.  It's like a perfect storm of pent up energy and emotion.        

 
HellToupee said:
That’s right I started the thread and then it was axed because someone or more kept reporting posts. Gee I wonder who kept doing that. There was no snarky comments added to posts , just Donald’s tweets , unlike now.
Click to expand...
True, instead there was effusive praise attached to the posts, similar to your current use of referring to POTUS affectionately as "Father Trump"

 
Snotbubbles said:
You can't even compare what's going on now with any protest/riot/looting that went on previously.  Everybody (for the most part) has been under stay-at-home orders for months.  It's like a perfect storm of pent up energy and emotion.        
Click to expand...
I absolutely agree with that part.

 
Last edited by a moderator:
Snotbubbles said:
You can't even compare what's going on now with any protest/riot/looting that went on previously.  Everybody (for the most part) has been under stay-at-home orders for months.  It's like a perfect storm of pent up energy and emotion.        
Click to expand...
Agreed completely.  That same pent up anger is also what got Trump elected.  There are literally 10’s of million of angry disenfranchised people out there on both the right and left, and they want/ed change.  It’s been bubbling under the surface for a while now. Unfortunately the calls for change are not aligned.  

 
Last edited by a moderator:
dkp993 said:
Agreed completely.  That same pent up anger is also what got Trump elected.  There are literally 10’s of million of angry disenfranchised people out there on both the right and left, and they want/ed change.  It’s been bubbling under the surface for a while now. Unfortunately the calls for change are not aligned.  
Click to expand...
I think right now we are more united in change than you think. 

1- We are tried of being told to stay home, while people are allowed to riot. 

2 - We are tired of people rioting. 

A lot of voters are all headed one direction come November.  

 
tonydead said:
I think right now we are more united in change than you think. 

1- We are tried of being told to stay home, while people are allowed to riot. 

2 - We are tired of people rioting. 

A lot of voters are all headed one direction come November.  
Click to expand...
I agree with this statement but it’s only a part of it. Now I don’t think we have the same view of how November will turn out but I digress.  The problem is the anger you speak to is only a percentage of the overall anger, though it’s certainly part of the fuel to the current fire. But the anger is been around for a long time on both sides and bubbling to the surface.  

 
Max Power said:
Rep. Jim Jordan

@Jim_Jordan

First liberal governors shut down your business. Now they won’t stop people from destroying it. Thankfully, the President is pushing them to restore order.
Click to expand...
He certainly is restoring order by breaking up a peaceful protest by spraying tear gas on the protesters. Just for a photo op. :( .

 
Trump campaign on Biden's speech: "Over the course of his public life, Joe Biden has used the politics of racial division when they suited his needs and he is doing it again.

 
dkp993 said:
I agree with this statement but it’s only a part of it. Now I don’t think we have the same view of how November will turn out but I digress.  The problem is the anger you speak to is only a percentage of the overall anger, though it’s certainly part of the fuel to the current fire. But the anger is been around for a long time on both sides and bubbling to the surface.  
Click to expand...
It's simple, the anarchists and even valid protestors are being looked at ruining cities and businesses, real people that vote business owners, in primarily Democratic large cities.  These are the same governors that have way over extended the covid orders and their powers.  I see a BIG RED WAVE building up.

 
tonydead said:
It's simple, the anarchists and even valid protestors are being looked at ruining cities and businesses, real people that vote business owners, in primarily Democratic large cities.  These are the same governors that have way over extended the covid orders and their powers.  I see a BIG RED WAVE building up.
Click to expand...
I’m not making any predictions as I have no clue what the people will do, but if I was an election betting man I’d take that bet. I’m also on the record for a long time here as saying I think Trump wins reelection, the headwind from the incumbency is hard to overcome.  

 
tonydead said:
It's simple, the anarchists and even valid protestors are being looked at ruining cities and businesses, real people that vote business owners, in primarily Democratic large cities.  These are the same governors that have way over extended the covid orders and their powers.  I see a BIG RED WAVE building up.
Click to expand...
I'm not sure there will be a red wave, but I'm starting to think that there may be an overall attitude of: "I'm not going to vote for either candidate".  

 
Snotbubbles said:
I'm not sure there will be a red wave, but I'm starting to think that there may be an overall attitude of: "I'm not going to vote for either candidate".  
Click to expand...
I’m squarely in that camp.  Third-party no matter who it is. Another voice must be interjected into this system.  

 
tonydead said:
Maybe it's so simple people can't see what's in front of their face:  You are arguing photo ops while the other side see's their business burn down.
Click to expand...
It’s not binary. You can hate the photo op and be disgusted and angry about the businesses being burned down.  

 
dkp993 said:
Agreed completely.  That same pent up anger is also what got Trump elected.  There are literally 10’s of million of angry disenfranchised people out there on both the right and left, and they want/ed change.  It’s been bubbling under the surface for a while now. Unfortunately the calls for change are not aligned.  
Click to expand...
I think that people have been told for years now that if you don't agree with every piece of something--your'e somehow immoral.  People got tired of being told how bad they were for having their own opinions.  Trump is the voice of those people.  

I've seen on facebook--mostly from white people--that if you don't support the riots then you're a racist and you're on the side of the cop that killed Floyd.  I think that rhetoric drives voters to Trump.  And here comes Trump saying Rioting won't be tolerated.  

I understand the left wanting change.  I understand the black community wanting change.  

But bear in mind--we've had this problem for centuries.  Trump didn't start it.  Biden was VP for 8 years before and this is still happening.  I'm not convinced it's an issue of "who is the President?"  Pelosi has been in Congress for how long?  What about McConnell.  We've got people that have been in the system for 30 plus years.  Are they not a bigger part of the system?

I do however think Biden will acknowledge it and consider it--Trump won't.  And I think that matters to the people that it affects.  I hate that it's come down to Trump vs Biden.  I keep making the comparison of a football team.  If America was a football team, we'd be rolling heads.  GM--gotta go.  Head coach--fired.  Defensive Coordinator--gone.  Offensive Coordinator--see ya.  

Firing Trump as the HC or GM makes a lot of sense right now.  But hiring Biden who was defensive coordinator for nearly a decade and now he's 78 and excites nobody--seems not ideal.  Really, really depressing situation.

 
jm192 said:
I think that people have been told for years now that if you don't agree with every piece of something--your'e somehow immoral.  People got tired of being told how bad they were for having their own opinions.  Trump is the voice of those people.  

I've seen on facebook--mostly from white people--that if you don't support the riots then you're a racist and you're on the side of the cop that killed Floyd.  I think that rhetoric drives voters to Trump.  And here comes Trump saying Rioting won't be tolerated.  

I understand the left wanting change.  I understand the black community wanting change.  

But bear in mind--we've had this problem for centuries.  Trump didn't start it.  Biden was VP for 8 years before and this is still happening.  I'm not convinced it's an issue of "who is the President?"  Pelosi has been in Congress for how long?  What about McConnell.  We've got people that have been in the system for 30 plus years.  Are they not a bigger part of the system?

I do however think Biden will acknowledge it and consider it--Trump won't.  And I think that matters to the people that it affects.  I hate that it's come down to Trump vs Biden.  I keep making the comparison of a football team.  If America was a football team, we'd be rolling heads.  GM--gotta go.  Head coach--fired.  Defensive Coordinator--gone.  Offensive Coordinator--see ya.  

Firing Trump as the HC or GM makes a lot of sense right now.  But hiring Biden who was defensive coordinator for nearly a decade and now he's 78 and excites nobody--seems not ideal.  Really, really depressing situation.
Click to expand...
Excellent post.  

 
dkp993 said:
I would’ve hated giving him my vote as I don’t want it moving that far left, or right. But your point is taken.  
Click to expand...
I wouldn't vote for him either, but he is a legitimate candidate with a large base.  He could have created the Democratic Socialist Party for the far left.  The Democratic party would be for moderates.  The Republican Party would be for the conservatives.

 
Snotbubbles said:
I wouldn't vote for him either, but he is a legitimate candidate with a large base.  He could have created the Democratic Socialist Party for the far left.  The Democratic party would be for moderates.  The Republican Party would be for the conservatives.
Click to expand...
Didn’t think about it from that angle. But that makes a lot of sense, a good thought I like it.  

 
Snotbubbles said:
I'm not sure there will be a red wave, but I'm starting to think that there may be an overall attitude of: "I'm not going to vote for either candidate".  
Click to expand...
I had planned on doing that in 2016, only changing my mind while in the booth. I dont expect to be changing my mind again.

 
NTY ripped for being "too fair" to President Trump with the headline, "As the chaos spreads, Trump vows to end it now" so they change the headline to, "Trump threatens to send troops into states"

"The New York Times on Monday night changed its front page headline after the first edition was derided as 'possibly one of the worst headlines ever written"

Dontcha just love an unbiased press?

 
Last edited by a moderator:
dkp993 said:
Snotbubbles said:
Agreed.  It's a shame Bernie Sanders ran as a Democrat, he would have been the perfect person to begin a third party.  
Click to expand...
I would’ve hated giving him my vote as I don’t want it moving that far left, or right. But your point is taken.  
Click to expand...
Third parties aren't viable due to the structure of our elections.  Namely, that elections are winner take all (as opposed to proportional) and that voters only get to choose one candidate rather than ranking their preference, means we will never have a viable third party.  If it ever happened, one of the two existing parties would quickly subsume it (or it would subsume one of the existing parties).  There's really no way around this until at least one of those two structural rules change.

 
tonydead said:
Maybe it's so simple people can't see what's in front of their face:  You are arguing photo ops while the other side see's their business burn down.
Click to expand...
Both you and Jim Jordan are making two errors in judgment I believe. First you assume that the public will agree with you that all this time it was “liberals” that kept their businesses shut down and not the virus. That’s a very bad assumption IMO. 
Second you believe that the public will not discriminate between protests, supported by liberals, independents and many conservatives, and riots and lootings, supported by nobody. You think the public will conflate the two and support President Trump’s strong arm methods. You may be right about this part. I don’t think you are, but you may be. We’ll find out. 

 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Similar threads

dozer
****Official DOJ Investigation into Trump, Fake Electors, Fraud, Etc.****
5 6 7
Replies
348
Views
11K
Sabertooth
Sabertooth
L
McCarthy and McConnell Wanted ‘Son of a B*tch’ Trump Out of Politics After Jan. 6 Riot,
2 3
Replies
124
Views
3K
ignatiusjreilly
ignatiusjreilly
GordonGekko
Revisiting The Young Turks 2016 Election Meltdown Over Trump's Stunning Victory (7/7/2022 9:35 PST)
Replies
16
Views
453
GordonGekko
GordonGekko

Users who are viewing this thread

Total: 9 (members: 0, guests: 9)
Top