General Malaise
Footballguy
Does he have a chapter on Don hiring Alex Acosta to be a part of his cabinet? Because I for one would LOVE to read how that SOB got a job in Trump's cabinet.
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squistion
Footballguy
Not according to that "trusted" news source, Fox News quoting US Park Police:
https://www.fox5dc.com/news/park-police-walk-back-tear-gas-denial-in-aggressive-lafayette-park-clearing
Park Police walk back tear gas denial in aggressive Lafayette Park clearing
WASHINGTON - A U.S. Park Police spokesperson said Friday it was a “mistake” to insist in a statement Tuesday that no tear gas was used to clear Lafayette Park on Monday before President Trump walked across to visit St. John’s Church.
However, the spokesperson insisted that Park Police did not lie, explicitly noting that pepper balls were shot. Pepper balls can cause irritation to the eyes and cause tears.
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timschochet
Footballguy
MSNBC now reporting that President Trump has told his campaign he doesn’t want anyone in the audience in Tulsa to wear masks. He wants to look out and see a packed hall, mask-free. He wants the same for his convention speech in Jacksonville.
Meanwhile Dr. Fauci (remember him?) just gave an interview on ABC in which he stated that attending a political rally is very dangerous and if you absolutely insist on going, wear a mask.
Meanwhile Dr. Fauci (remember him?) just gave an interview on ABC in which he stated that attending a political rally is very dangerous and if you absolutely insist on going, wear a mask.
squistion
Footballguy
Don't Noonan
Footballguy
Good posting. Folks laughing at this list of accomplishments look very foolish and uninformed.
The General
Footballguy
Shula-holic
Footballguy
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And everyone was told to feel free to post every one of Joe Biden's accomplishments after forty years in politics...
....still waiting for that to drop.....
(we already know about his crime bill...but feel free to put that one on top!)
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The CDC must not have received the memo from the DNC.
"CDC breaks its three-month silence to advise Americans to wear masks and avoid elbow bumps, but it does not discourage large crowds - while claiming spike in infections in newly-reopened states could be due to increased testing"
"As summer approaches, the CDC held its press briefing to announce its newly-issued guidelines for how to stay safe in gatherings and crowds - but did not advise against them".
Riddle me this....why is it that NOBODY is associating Joe Biden with "large crowds".
This should be great news for ol' hidin' Biden....this is the green light for him to get out of the basement and start packin' 'em in!!
He can start with a McDonald's Play house in downtown Concord!
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The General
Footballguy
Just make sure that you sign that waiver before you come in. Want to make sure Trump is protected legally.
timschochet
Footballguy
Two recent high quality studies show a reduce rate of infection associated with masks and social distancing. One study from Germany compared a town that adopted face masks early to matched controls from other towns, while another study was from sailors on the Theodore Roosevelt.
Trump knows coronavirus and exponential growth better than the experts:
>> Jan. 22: 1 case confirmed in U.S.
"We have it under control"
"We have it totally under control. It's one person coming in from China. We have it under control. It's going to be just fine." CNBC interview in Davos, Switzerland <<
https://www.google.com/amp/s/wwwsandiegouniontribune.com/news/military/story/2020-06-09/cdc-study-of-roosevelt-outbreak-finds-lower-rates-of-covid-19-among-sailors-who-wore-masks%3f_amp=true
https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/changing-america/well-being/prevention-cures/502440-masks-can-reduce-coronavirus-spread-by-40%3famp
timschochet
Footballguy
I’m not interested in “pooing” on him.
I post in this thread because I want to discuss Donald Trump with smart people who disagree with me about Donald Trump. Talking to people that agree with me is boring. I would much rather have a conversation with someone like you, so long as you’re honest, smart, and willing to offer ideas rather than just cheerlead.
The General
Footballguy
The wearing a face mask continues to be one of the weirder things people get wound up on. I don't get it.
Can anyone explain this?
Can anyone explain this?
supermike80
Footballguy
dkp993
Footballguy
I really feel like if this report is true, and that is certainly an IF, then I think the Donald must be slipping at what he’s actually good at. Branding. Seems like this is an excellent branding and sales opportunity. The Donald of old would be thinking about everybody in that audience wearing a face mask they purchased off of his website for $19.99, which he had made in China for $1.99, with some catchy anti-Biden or down with the Democrats slogan on it. Age might be finally catching up with him.
The General
Footballguy
Common ground!
It really is bizarre. They do suck to wear for long periods of time in terms of comfort but it’s such an easy thing to do and they help protect you, protect others, etc.
The General
Footballguy
GoBirds
Footballguy
Please Tim, covid fear mongering is so three weeks ago. Can’t you find some statues to rip down or something?
timschochet
Footballguy
I think 60%. Another 20% is that he wants to send the message that the pandemic is over; the mask tells us that the pandemic is still with us, and Trump thinks that message hurts the economy.
The final 20% is a big screw you to the experts which so many conservatives seem to subscribe to these days. They love thumbing their nose at the know it alls, whether they are pollsters, climate scientists, or public health experts.
timschochet
Footballguy
How I am fearmongering?
If you were in the area would you attend this rally without the slightest concern?
msudaisy26
Footballguy
Because he doesn't agree with you, so you must be fearmongering, or fake news, or not an expert on the subject, or a know it all, or triggered. Next he will give your post a laughing reaction.
timschochet
Footballguy
And this is the depressing thing. In the past, conservatives rarely disagreed with liberals about facts; the disagreement was over how those facts should be interpreted and what to do about them. But during first the Tea Party era and now in the years of Trump, if a conservative encounters a piece of news they don’t like, they disagree with the news itself: it’s fake. It must be fearmongering or the MSM is lying. It never happened. The best example ever is still when Trump made fun of the crippled reporter, in which we are told by Trump supporters not to believe that which is right in front of us. The “no tear gas” is another example. And on and on and on. They are willing to reject reality and it’s damn scary.
GoBirds
Footballguy
You are posting MSNBC garbage in here like it’s news and all of the sudden you are concerned about crowds after weeks of protesting, rioting, and looking with no social distancing and many with no masks.
We know your next post is MSNBC showed you footage of a rioter with a mask so they were safe, we know we know.
Take it somewhere else please.
For someone who admittedly knows nothing of tear gas, you sure seem to talk as if you know a lot about tear gas.
“It was a mistake on our part for using ‘tear gas’ because we just assumed people would think CS or CN” — shorthands for types of tear gas which use chemical compounds. The Park Police’s use of pepper balls was classified as OC: that organic version which results in a similar reaction.
CS or CN is "Tear Gas".
Pepper balls (as it says) are classified as OC....a far FAR distance from CS or CN.
In order to help you in your quest for knowledge....
(it should begin sometime)
OC – this is probably one of the most common and popular forms of pepper spray. OC stands for Oleoresin Capsicum. The active ingredient is capsaicin which is derived from peppers. The remaining ingredients are mainly fillers. Capsaicin is not soluble in water. Victims are encouraged to blink excessively to produce tears that will flush your eyes and to not touch other body parts as to not spread the substance. There are wipes available to help remove the pepper spray.
CS – or tear gas is an agent that can be used alone or is also combined with OC spray for added affects. Even though there are about 15 types of tear gas, CS is most popular because has shown to be more effective including mild tearing to immediate vomiting to causing the victim to get in a submissively prone position. It is often used for riot control or to force people out of an area. CS can be found in aerosol canisters or can be deployed by grenades.
CN – is another form of tear gas available to and primarily used by military and police agencies. CN has fallen by the wayside as pepper spray works faster. CN has similar affects to CS gas and also include temporary loss of balance and even permanent skin damage. Affects of CN gas last longer than that of CS.
YOU have been suckered again...and no matter how many times you call it "tear gas"...it won't be true.
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The General
Footballguy
The ridiculous photo shoot was the problem not what the chemical breakdown of the gas is that they used to clear the crowd 
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timschochet
Footballguy
1. My concern about the pandemic is not all of a sudden. I was concerned all during the protests and posted it here. Please don’t confuse me with somebody else. But your statement “and many with no masks” is not accurate. The vast majority of protestors wore masks. But there were too many of them and they were too close together. At least they were outside. The worst moment of course is when tear gas was used against them. If anything is sure to spread COVID that would have been it.
2. I don’t think I ever saw footage of a rioter with a mask. Rioters are stupid or emotional people who are unlikely to follow any kind of public health rule.
3. In the past when you’ve asked me to leave this thread I’ve done so at least for a time. But I’ve changed my mind about that. I’m not trolling, not trying to rub anything in. This is the main thread devoted to Donald Trump’s re-election campaign, and that is a subject I wish to discuss. I’m sorry you find some of the news I have brought up as unpleasant.
timschochet
Footballguy
It's right in front of you ....deny it all you want.
YOU are the one doubling down on the absurd and the words in the article you posted, proves it.
They actually try to prove it was CS or CN by holding up a canister labeled OC.
I've posted the difference and you STILL can't accept it.
Someone here sure looks like a blind fool here....and it ain't me.
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GoBirds
Footballguy
So predictable.
Also everyone in here understands MSNBC doesn’t report news, you will need to try that in another thread if you want anyone to fall for it.
timschochet
Footballguy
You’re Bill Clinton splitting hairs over the definition of the word “is”. Whatever floats your boat I suppose. But today Trump bragged about using tear gas. I heard him. He could have avoided it, made the same silly distinction you’re making now. He didn’t. He likes that tear gas was used.
timschochet
Footballguy
Well we will see a week from today right? If that crowd in Tulsa are wearing masks then we’ll know that the news got it wrong. If they’re not then the reporting will have been accurate, as it almost always is despite your claims to the contrary.So predictable.
Also everyone in here understands MSNBC doesn’t report news, you will need to try that in another thread if you want anyone to fall for it.
Its not splitting hairs...
Why not hold up a canister of OC and call it "Mustard Gas"??
Hold up the pepper spray in your wife's purse and call it a "nerve agent"!
If they were the "same thing"...they'd be labeled the same way.
The three items I listed do not use the same ingredients therefore, are not the same thing.
Damn...you see something you think you can use and you're like a dog with a bone...
You've admitted that you know NOTHING of this...yet you keep talking..
...amazing.
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SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
boots11234
Footballguy
Because the face is where humans express their feelings. A mask slightly ddehumanizes people and the interactions between us. I hope wearing one does not become the new normal. Why people refuse to wear them where required, no clue, I think it’s insensitive to others. I have no problems wearing one. Wearing one outside? No. Stupid and unnecessary.
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
No kidding. Every time you stated you were leaving the thread you're back within 8 hours. You can't stay away because you can't get attention anywhere else. Call it what you want but you've posted about tear gas in here about 569 times. Tear. Gas. Who cares? You do because you're seeking an "I told you so" moment but nah you're not trolling you want a serious discussion
GoBirds
Footballguy
Wait I just went to a restaurant and no one was wearing masks, that must have been the Trump campaign too right?
Cant believe you eat up that garbage.
Well...in his defense...there is absolutely nothing positive to post about his candidate....what else can he do?
He just has to be heard to make his opinion (right or wrong), known .......I think the term is "narcissist"..or ...maybe he suffers from "logorrhea"
Now....that's a medical condition and if he has it....we should be made known of it.
In layman's terms....it's "diarrhea of the mouth".
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timschochet
Footballguy
Really sad. I’m posting about issues. I didn’t bring up tear gas in this thread; that was @knowledge dropper who linked an opinion piece from the Federalist and then asserted it was proof of the MSM lying. A number of other Trump supporters chimed in. I was responding to them. I also made no personal attacks whatsoever, which is all you ever seem to do when you post in this thread just as you’re doing now.
timschochet
Footballguy
At least in your previous post you were willing to address the issues- in an insulting, patronizing way but at least you attempted to defend your previous absurd position. It wasn’t any better this time around but I give you credit for trying. This post however is simply a personal attack of the sort that @Ramblin Wreck usually is guilty of. Not very becoming.
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
I made a personal attack? Okie dokie pokie
Are you denying that you came into this thread this morning firing off a gotcha moment and even demanding posters to admit they were wrong? You can twist the facts all you want but we all know. And we wouldn't discuss your dramatic leaving and coming back if you didn't announce it and do it so often. You act like we are just making that up. This isn't CBS news showing pictures of corona virus in Italy and claiming it's NYC.
timschochet
Footballguy
People can’t really wear masks in restaurants. They’re also, hopefully, not crowded all together. They’re also not asked by the Trump campaign to sign a waiver before they enter.
...and you hang out in the only pro-Trump thread in the PSF because......you are pro-Trump.?
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GoBirds
Footballguy
I went to the gym and had to sign a waiver, was the Trump campaign behind that one too? Can’t believe all these waivers and people not wearing masks is because the Trump campaign asked them not to.
timschochet
Footballguy
I don’t deny anything. I was called a liar over a week ago and more importantly, the MSM were called liars. I thought it was important to point out that it wasn’t so and then discuss why certain conservatives delude themselves about the MSM. I find that a very important topic.
timschochet
Footballguy
The difference is, hopefully, you weren’t packed in at the gym or encouraged not to wear a mask.
timschochet
Footballguy
I told you why I post here. Why do you post in threads that are predominantly critical of Trump?
Football Jones
Footballguy
Regarding the Tulsa trip, not too many people are wearing masks in this part of the country. Oklahoma is one of 8 states who never had official stay at home orders. Also, I believe there's still quite a few counties that don't have a confirmed case (last time I looked).
People could possibly change their minds knowing there'll be a large crowd. That certainly could play into their decision. I used to take notice of how many people were wearing masks, but I haven't been paying that much attention lately. It's a fairly small percentage for sure.
People could possibly change their minds knowing there'll be a large crowd. That certainly could play into their decision. I used to take notice of how many people were wearing masks, but I haven't been paying that much attention lately. It's a fairly small percentage for sure.
GoBirds
Footballguy
You won’t be able to prove anyone not wearing a mask was encouraged not too, no matter how much liberal extremist “news” you watch. Some people make their own decisions. Sorry.
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