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TRUMP TO INFINITY AND BEYOND HQ - The Great and Positive Place (7 Viewers)
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Snotbubbles
Footballguy
Not sure I'd go that high. Thinking 10, maybe upwards of 12%. Bush got 11% in 2004. If Trump can get that, he'll be in good shape.
Correct. Did home sales commissions really contribute alot? It wouldn't surprise me. But there's talk in South Florida about a real estate bubble as prices accelerate to all-time highs. This could occur regardless of who's in office.
The difference between the 2 parties seems to be how much more stimulus is needed. We've been there before.
yak651
Footballguy
Holy cow, I think that guy is trying one up the girl that did the "Trump teaching a lesson" video from leaving his fans out in the cold!
Snotbubbles
Footballguy
Here's what the GDP report said:
"The increase in real GDP reflected increases in personal consumption expenditures (PCE), private inventory investment, exports, nonresidential fixed investment, and residential fixed investment that were partly offset by decreases in federal government spending (reflecting fewer fees paid to administer the Paycheck Protection Program loans) and state and local government spending. Imports, which are a subtraction in the calculation of GDP, increased (table 2).
The increase in PCE reflected increases in services (led by health care as well as food services and accommodations) and goods (led by motor vehicles and parts as well as clothing and footwear). The increase in private inventory investment primarily reflected an increase in retail trade (led by motor vehicle dealers). The increase in exports primarily reflected an increase in goods (led by automotive vehicles, engines, and parts as well as capital goods). The increase in nonresidential fixed investment primarily reflected an increase in equipment (led by transportation equipment). The increase in residential fixed investment primarily reflected an increase in brokers' commissions and other ownership transfer costs."
EDIT: https://www.bea.gov/news/2020/gross-domestic-product-third-quarter-2020-advance-estimate
If you go into the tables and go to Table 2 you can see what went up and what went down. Residential fixed investment accounted for a 2.09% increase.
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Max Power
Footballguy
I feel better about black support for Trump in 2020 than in 2016.
He lost a portion of the black vote for how he is portrayed by the media as a racist and that voting block wont swing.
He has done some good things for the black community with prison reform and low unemployment. Immigration enforcement is also an underplayed issue to the black community.
Black voices, especially young black voices are now in the mainstream. Candice Owens, John James, Kimberly Klacik appeal to the community more than anyone did in 2016.
Ice Cube, 50 cent, Kanye to some extent arent endorcing Biden.
I also think Biden's "you ain't black" comments stuck with the community. That quote is still referenced every day. That comment along with Biden's crime bill background will give plenty of pause to people voting the status quo.
Charlamaegne and the kid at Biden's town hall asked him point blank what he plans to do to earn the black vote and he provides subpar answers.
There are plenty of things to point to that would support an increase in the black R voting.
Snotbubbles
Footballguy
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
Widbil83
Footballguy
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HellToupee
Footballguy
Zow
Footballguy
I'm assuming he's just buttering Trump up for a high stakes golf match where Nicklas can take advantage of Trump's vanity handicap.
Zow
Footballguy
I'd be genuinely shocked if Trump had even heard of Bullhead City prior. Maybe he heard of it in connection to Laughlin (if he ever considered a property in Laughlin back in the day before he couldn't own casinos)?
Chaz McNulty
Footballguy
But the whole enabling White Supremacist thing hurts him. That's one thing that Biden doesn't do.
knowledge dropper
Footballguy
Widbil83
Footballguy
Translation: If you are black and support President Trump you aren’t really black, and if you are white you are a racist.
squistion
Footballguy
Off the top of my head...
Following Charlottesville, saying that there "were good people on both sides"
Addressing the Proud Boys, telling them to "stand back and stand by".
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Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
The Girl Scouts tweeted congratuations to ACB for the SCOTUS seat and got shamed into retracting that tweet. The libs are just disgusting.
Snotbubbles
Footballguy
Nope not gonna let you get away with Charlottesville? This one has been so misconstrued by the fake media. Here's the relevant portion of the transcript
"QUESTION: Mr. President, are you putting what you’re calling the alt-left and white supremacists on the same moral plane?
TRUMP: I’m not putting anybody on a moral plane. What I’m saying is this. You had a group on one side and you had a group on the other, and they came at each other with clubs and it was vicious and it was horrible. And it was a horrible thing to watch. But there is another side. There was a group on this side, you can call them the left. You’ve just called them the left -- that came violently attacking the other group. So you can say what you want, but that’s the way it is.
(CROSSTALK)
QUESTION: ... on both sides, sir?
(CROSSTALK)
QUESTION: You said there was hatred, there was violence on both sides. Are…
(CROSSTALK)
TRUMP: Well, I do think there’s blame -- yes, I think there’s blame on both sides. You look at -- you look at both sides. I think there’s blame on both sides. And I have no doubt about it, and you don’t have any doubt about it either.
(CROSSTALK)
TRUMP: And -- and -- and if you reported it accurately, you would say (inaudible).
(CROSSTALK)
QUESTION: (inaudible) started this (inaudible) Charlottesville. They showed up in Charlottesville to protest…
(CROSSTALK)
TRUMP: Excuse me, excuse me. (inaudible) themselves (inaudible) and you have some very bad people in that group. But you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides. You had people in that group -- excuse me, excuse me -- I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name.
(CROSSTALK)
QUESTION: George Washington and Robert E. Lee are not the same (inaudible)…
(CROSSTALK)
TRUMP: George Washington was a slave owner. Was George Washington a slave owner? So, will George Washington now lose his status? Are we going to take down -- excuse me -- are we going to take down -- are we going to take down statues to George Washington?
(CROSSTALK)
TRUMP: How about Thomas Jefferson? What do you think of Thomas Jefferson? You like him?
(CROSSTALK)
TRUMP: OK. Good. Are we going to take down the statue? Because he was a major slave owner. Now, are we going to take down his statue? So you know what? It’s fine. You’re changing history. You’re changing culture. And you had people, and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists, because they should be condemned totally. But you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists. OK? And the press has treated them absolutely unfairly. Now, in the other group also, you had some fine people, but you also had troublemakers and you see them come with the black outfits and with the helmets and with the baseball bats. You’ve got -- you had a lot of bad -- you had a lot of bad people in the other group…
(CROSSTALK)
QUESTION: ... treated unfairly (inaudible) you were saying. You were saying the press has treated white nationalists unfairly? (inaudible) understand what you’re saying.
TRUMP: No, no. There were people in that rally, and I looked the night before. If you look, they were people protesting very quietly the taking down of the statue of Robert E. Lee. I’m sure in that group there were some bad ones. The following day, it looked like they had some rough, bad people -- neo-Nazis, white nationalists, whatever you want to call them. But you had a lot of people in that group that were there to innocently protest and very legally protest, because you know -- I don’t know if you know, they had a permit. The other group didn’t have a permit. So, I only tell you this, there are two sides to a story. I thought what took place was a horrible moment for our country, a horrible moment. But there are two sides to the country (sic). Does anybody have a final -- doesn’t anybody have a -- you have an infrastructure…"
So you see if the media didn't have an agenda against Trump and reported the quote properly and within context you would see that he "condemned totally" neo-Nazis and white nationalists in his answer. He called the people "on both sides" that were there peacefully protesting "fine people".
Chaz McNulty
Footballguy
Here's a question and I am not sure if there's much data on this. How many White Nationalist marches or parades happened during Obama's 8 years compared with Trump's 4 years?
Being from Canada, I was just surprised that these still existed. It seems from my perspective that racism was hidden for the last number of years, but now it seems to be out in the open under Trump. Like these people are emboldened. Again, just my perspective.
Lehigh98
Footballguy
LOL at many things here but especially the thought that Trump would ever do something to benefit someone other than himself.
knowledge dropper
Footballguy
Lehigh98
Footballguy
What a lame smoke screen...
He donates his Presidential salary to worthy causes quarterly.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/michelatindera/2020/07/21/how-donald-trump-moved-millions-from-his-campaign-donors-to-his-private-business/#73dc251c735c
knowledge dropper
Footballguy
Max Power
Footballguy
If you look at the facts, Biden is way worse. The media just makes people think it's the other way.
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Spanky267
Footballguy
I dont think its more out in the open. It's just that the media has reported on these fringe groups much more often since Trump has been in office. These groups are small in number and have always held silly rallies like these. The media attention in the last four years has simply elevated their profile and these groups have attempted to capitalize on the media attention. Keep in mind that the ADL and SPLC acknowledge that groups like the Klan have relatively tiny membership numbers across the country. The other thing the media has done is attempt to link strictly nationalist groups, that dont have a racial or ethnic component, to white supremacist organizations or beliefs. Case in point labelling the Proud Boys as White Supremacists when their membership is not restricted to white males and the head of the organization is an American of Afro-Cuban heritage.
General Malaise
Footballguy
Lehigh98
Footballguy
Maybe Trump's idea of FMV.
This again? They are paying FMV as they would to stay at any hotel.
Spanky267
Footballguy
Serious question. How exactly are the Proud Boys a White Supremacist organization? You would think a white supremacist organization would limit its membership to white people. The Proud Boys do not. You'd think that a White Supremacist organization would at least be led by a white person. The Proud Boys are not. Enrique Tarrio is an American of Afro-Cuban heritage. Not exactly the poster boy for white supremacy.
Max Power
Footballguy
The proud boys aren't a white supremacist group. They have denounced it and their leader isnt even a white guy!The media? FROM THE PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE:
Now let's do Robert Byrd
The Future Champs
Footballguy
This is a good point, although I don’t see Ted Cruz being the guy to pull in independents.
The real question (if Trump loses) is will the GOP shift towards a more electable candidate?
Snotbubbles
Footballguy
No idea, I wasn't aware there was some enormous amount of white supremacy marches happening ever.
Snotbubbles
Footballguy
Biden brought up the Proud Boys. I'm not even sure Trump knew who they were. I didn't.
Spanky267
Footballguy
Trump specifically stated that he didnt know who the Proud Boys were. I'm not a Trump supporter but this portrayal of that exchange as a signal to White Supremacists is laughable at best and journalistic malpractice at worst.
Snotbubbles
Footballguy
Well, Trump should have just said "I denounce all hate groups" (even though he done so repeatedly) instead of "Stand down, Stand by".
Widbil83
Footballguy
Widbil83
Footballguy
I mean Biden’s own VP called him a racist and went through his history of supporting and palling around with segregationist.
General Malaise
Footballguy
Widbil83
Footballguy
Biden’s so incompetent he didn’t even bring up the Proud Boys, he brought up the Poor Boys.
Widbil83
Footballguy
knowledge dropper
Footballguy
I thought Biden said Poor Boys? I didn’t stick around because I had a sudden urge for a sandwich.
General Malaise
Footballguy
First paragraph in Wiki.....
They doth protest too much, me thinks......
knowledge dropper
Footballguy
There’s a video of Trump denouncing these groups 38 times. I wish the moderators would start cracking down on those that keep pushing this narrative.
Max Power
Footballguy
That's a very weak link to white supremacy.
Southern Poverty Law Center is known for its over-classification of groups and political bias.
Max Power
Footballguy
"The group officially rejects racism" and whoever edited the bolded should learn to spell. This is why Wiki isn't source material.
General Malaise
Footballguy
Oh, well I'm convinced then. Proud Boys are just a harmonious group of guys who like to play dress-up with no trace of any sort of bigotry or hatred, founded by super nice guy Gavin McInnes who also has not one racist bone in his body. 
knowledge dropper
Footballguy
Lehigh98
Footballguy
You really think Trump will spend his time "campaigning... around the country" for anyone other than himself?... especially "a sniveling coward"* like "Lyin' Ted"*.
He donates his Presidential salary to worthy causes quarterly.
*Trump's words, not mine
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