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45 minutes ago, SoBeDad said:

Some of the attendees at MAGA rallies are repeats, such as this guy and his family who were the first in line at OpaLocka airport in north Miami-Dade (of Amelia Earhart fame). It's his 7th MAGA rally this summer and he's super-excited to see the president yet again. He showed up 14 hours early. The rally is supposed to start at 11:30pm tonight, which means it would likely be in violation of the county midnight curfew. And as usual, attendees are waiving all their legal rights to sue over COVID-19 exposure

It's crazy to me how naive people are about the Covid danger.

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16 minutes ago, Max Power said:

I just don't trust the pollsters right now. I think the social bias against Trump support can not be accurately measured. Everyone is giving themselves an out in case they are wrong and I think it speaks to that. 

That’s all valid, 2016 exposed some flaws in the system.  One question though, may pollsters have claimed to have made adjustments based on what the learned in ‘16.  If the polls in general are correct this year will you trust them again?

 

*I ask you and others this because it’s the question I’m asking myself.   

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18 minutes ago, Max Power said:

I just don't trust the pollsters right now. I think the social bias against Trump support can not be accurately measured. Everyone is giving themselves an out in case they are wrong and I think it speaks to that. 

Yeah, I get it.  One other point to make.  I strongly believe that the reputable pollsters are trying to get it as right as they can.  They might be making big mistakes but I don't think it's due to bias.

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1 hour ago, Joe Bryant said:

Nope. Me being honest. 

And we'll definitely continue to moderate if we have a forum. 

It's never a bad thing to be honest, that's to be applauded. As to your second sentence, moderation is not a synonym of censorship. No one is calling for you to stop moderating your forums. Consistency is all anyone asks for. Hopefully it's better going forward.

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3 hours ago, Mr Anonymous said:

Sounds a lot like Twitter's excuse when they're caught in hypocrisy.

How about stopping censorship altogether then no need to apologize?

So you guys are advocating for all these websites to 100% let anything go and let anybody say what they want?   Seems like a weird stance if so.  

If not, and you are saying there should be some sort of line, what do you think it should be?  As an owner, Joe shouldn't be able to decide what that line is?

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5 minutes ago, dkp993 said:

That’s all valid, 2016 exposed some flaws in the system.  One question though, may pollsters have claimed to have made adjustments based on what the learned in ‘16.  If the polls in general are correct this year will you trust them again?

 

*I ask you and others this because it’s the question I’m asking myself.   

I'll give them more credit. But consider 2018 if you think they fixed all their polling issues then. DeSantis was what a 4-5 pt underdog in the polls and pulled it off?  When you dive into those polls, they made the exact same mistakes.

If the polls are wrong again, are you still going to give them credit they know what they are doing?

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1 minute ago, Max Power said:

I'll give them more credit. But consider 2018 if you think they fixed all their polling issues then. DeSantis was what a 4-5 pt underdog in the polls and pulled it off?  When you dive into those polls, they made the exact same mistakes.

If the polls are wrong again, are you still going to give them credit they know what they are doing?

Not sure if you missed my last sentence or not but I’m not giving them any credit right now.  Don’t trust the polls at the moment, hence why I’m asking myself (and others like you) if I can again.  

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7 minutes ago, Mr Anonymous said:

It's never a bad thing to be honest, that's to be applauded. As to your second sentence, moderation is not a synonym of censorship. No one is calling for you to stop moderating your forums. Consistency is all anyone asks for. Hopefully it's better going forward.

Trying to be consistent is the thing we work hardest on. And the single biggest truth of this forum is that everyone thinks THEIR side is unfairly treated while the OTHER side gets away with everything. That's life. Same as Day 1. 

I don't expect the consistency to change from where it's been. But we'll keep trying. As we have forever. 

 

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5 minutes ago, Mr Anonymous said:

So odd that asking for equal treatment and consistency gets immediately bastardized into a call for a free for all by the side benefitting from the unequal moderation. Actually it's not odd at all, it's par for the course.

Just asking a question.  What is your suggestion for more consistency?

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10 minutes ago, Juxtatarot said:

Yeah, I get it.  One other point to make.  I strongly believe that the reputable pollsters are trying to get it as right as they can.  They might be making big mistakes but I don't think it's due to bias.

I do believe this as well. 

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1 minute ago, dkp993 said:

Not sure if you missed my last sentence or not but I’m not giving them any credit right now.  Don’t trust the polls at the moment, hence why I’m asking myself (and others like you) if I can again.  

Gotcha. I think traditional polling is dead. The methods used historically don't seem to be the best models in today's society.

I think they have to work on how they phrase questions and who they talk to vs random yes or nos over the phone. 

Evolve or die right?

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1 minute ago, Max Power said:

Gotcha. I think traditional polling is dead. The methods used historically don't seem to be the best models in today's society.

I think they have to work on how they phrase questions and who they talk to vs random yes or nos over the phone. 

Evolve or die right?

Agreed no doubt.  

It’s going to be one of the many interesting narratives or outcomes of this election.  Nate from 538 speaks to changes made because of lessons learned. We’ll see if that the case or another round of “lessons” will be served.  

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11 minutes ago, Max Power said:

I'll give them more credit. But consider 2018 if you think they fixed all their polling issues then. DeSantis was what a 4-5 pt underdog in the polls and pulled it off?  When you dive into those polls, they made the exact same mistakes.

If the polls are wrong again, are you still going to give them credit they know what they are doing?

I would be interested to see how correct the polls were in 2018.  Plus/Minus 3% of the time with a 95% confidence. This would mean that in 20 races, the polls would be correct if the final results were within 3% in 19 of the 20 races.  

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9 minutes ago, Chaz McNulty said:

I would be interested to see how correct the polls were in 2018.  Plus/Minus 3% of the time with a 95% confidence. This would mean that in 20 races, the polls would be correct if the final results were within 3% in 19 of the 20 races.  

Do you think Biden is going to win Florida? The numbers I've heard don't look good for that.

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1 minute ago, Max Power said:

Do you think Biden is going to win Florida? The numbers I've heard don't look good for that.

That one falls within the 3% and has actually gone back and forth.  I would say Biden is a very small favorite in Florida.  I wouldn't bet money on that one, but if someone forced me to make a decision I would just go with the odds.

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5 minutes ago, Max Power said:

Do you think Biden is going to win Florida? The numbers I've heard don't look good for that.

That one falls within the 3% and has actually gone back and forth.  I would say Biden is a very small favorite in Florida.  I wouldn't bet money on that one, but if someone forced me to make a decision I would just go with the odds.

From what I’ve seen early turnout, while strong and favoring Biden, isn’t favoring him as much as he’d need to carry the state. The odds “feel” very low for Biden imo. If (big IF) he does carry it though that’s bad news for Trump.   

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40 minutes ago, Joe Bryant said:

Trying to be consistent is the thing we work hardest on. And the single biggest truth of this forum is that everyone thinks THEIR side is unfairly treated while the OTHER side gets away with everything. That's life. Same as Day 1. 

I don't expect the consistency to change from where it's been. But we'll keep trying. As we have forever. 

 

Is it true people get suspended for months for using certain emoji and disagreeing with each other and for saying Biden stutters?  Ive seen way worse just the past couple days, in this thread alone against Trump.  The posts that are over the top trolling seem to vanish, but the posters keep posting. I've never seen a forum quite like this one before. 

 

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Just now, 36Kevon said:

Is it true people get suspended for months for using certain emoji and disagreeing with each other and for saying Biden stutters?  Ive seen way worse just the past couple days, in this thread alone against Trump.  The posts that are over the top trolling seem to vanish, but the posters keep posting. I've never seen a forum quite like this one before. 

 

And the single biggest truth of this forum is that everyone thinks THEIR side is unfairly treated while the OTHER side gets away with everything. That's life. Same as Day 1.

If you see something well over the line, please report it. Just make sure it's really over the line. TIA. 

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people are forgetting that the polls can be correct and Trump can still win.  If Trump squeeks out a couple races that are within the 3% error rate, and also wins 1 or 2 that are within the 95% sampling rate (like PA), then he wins the election and the polls are still correct.

These scenarios are not likely, but still within reason.

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1 hour ago, KarmaPolice said:

So you guys are advocating for all these websites to 100% let anything go and let anybody say what they want?   Seems like a weird stance if so.  

If not, and you are saying there should be some sort of line, what do you think it should be?  As an owner, Joe shouldn't be able to decide what that line is?

As a conservative, Twitter can do whatever it wants.  Private company.  You do you.

But section 230 is of tremendous value for them.  And if they selectively edit/prohibit tweets based on politics, they’re clearly acting as a publisher—and not a platform.

And they really just can’t afford to be a publisher.  People post all kinds of slander, threats, porn, etc.

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3 hours ago, Max Power said:

I'll give them more credit. But consider 2018 if you think they fixed all their polling issues then. DeSantis was what a 4-5 pt underdog in the polls and pulled it off?  When you dive into those polls, they made the exact same mistakes.

If the polls are wrong again, are you still going to give them credit they know what they are doing?

How many voters have been influenced by these polls?  Why would the pollsters change?  

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1 hour ago, Joe Bryant said:

Totally understand. No worries. 

I found this place because of FF and the Shark Pool. Pretty sure that is how everyone found it.  That was the draw, not people arguing and trolling about Biden, Trump abortions and basically hatin on each other. Maybe it is time to get back to your roots and the simple life again. 

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3 minutes ago, Juxtatarot said:

Wait a minute. Is it that cold in Tampa?

It's in the 80s pretty much all over the state here. That and the fact that there are bare trees in the background should give it away that it's not Tampa.

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4 hours ago, Mr Anonymous said:

So odd that asking for equal treatment and consistency gets immediately bastardized into a call for a free for all by the side benefitting from the unequal moderation. Actually it's not odd at all, it's par for the course.

I am curious do you think FBG isn't treating you fairly? Or do you think FBG, the media, and the scientific community isn't treating your side of things fairly?

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23 hours ago, 36Kevon said:

Hello Minnesota.  

https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/01/tech/false-biden-video-twitter/index.html

False video of Joe Biden viewed 1 million times on Twitter

New York (CNN Business)A deceptively edited video of Joe Biden making it appear the Democratic presidential nominee forgot what state he was in was viewed more than one million times on Twitter over the weekend.

In the video, Biden addresses a crowd — saying, "Hello, Minnesota!" The event did, indeed, take place in St Paul, Minnesota.

In the unedited, original video, signs in front of and behind Biden on the stage read "Text MN to 30330" — making it clear the event was in Minnesota.

However in the false video, the on-stage signs were edited to read "Tampa, Florida," and "Text FL to 30330."

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27 minutes ago, squistion said:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/01/tech/false-biden-video-twitter/index.html

False video of Joe Biden viewed 1 million times on Twitter

New York (CNN Business)A deceptively edited video of Joe Biden making it appear the Democratic presidential nominee forgot what state he was in was viewed more than one million times on Twitter over the weekend.

In the video, Biden addresses a crowd — saying, "Hello, Minnesota!" The event did, indeed, take place in St Paul, Minnesota.

In the unedited, original video, signs in front of and behind Biden on the stage read "Text MN to 30330" — making it clear the event was in Minnesota.

However in the false video, the on-stage signs were edited to read "Tampa, Florida," and "Text FL to 30330."

Are these the same people that said he meant George Lopez?

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4 minutes ago, knowledge dropper said:

Are these the same people that said he meant George Lopez?

I've been to Tampa in the winter, and even then, the vegetation is green(and mostly not deciduous, as those trees in the background were), and nobody is going to wear a coat in 85 degree weather, as Tampa had today. The video is fake.

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37 minutes ago, squistion said:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/01/tech/false-biden-video-twitter/index.html

False video of Joe Biden viewed 1 million times on Twitter

New York (CNN Business)A deceptively edited video of Joe Biden making it appear the Democratic presidential nominee forgot what state he was in was viewed more than one million times on Twitter over the weekend.

In the video, Biden addresses a crowd — saying, "Hello, Minnesota!" The event did, indeed, take place in St Paul, Minnesota.

In the unedited, original video, signs in front of and behind Biden on the stage read "Text MN to 30330" — making it clear the event was in Minnesota.

However in the false video, the on-stage signs were edited to read "Tampa, Florida," and "Text FL to 30330."

Is there an issue with falsehoods in the media now?

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14 minutes ago, knowledge dropper said:

Win or lose tomorrow will mark the end of official Trump election rallies.  Kind of a shame.  What a fun  run it has been.  

We have very different ideas of what "fun" consists of.

https://sebotero.github.io/papers/COVIDrallies_10_30_2000.pdf

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7 minutes ago, Ramblin Wreck said:

Isn't any blatant falsehood in the media egregious?  This one seems to be more important than ones about Trump though.

Probably because it's laughably phony, as well as a tired ploy to try and paint Biden as not running with all his lights on. 

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1 minute ago, Kal El said:

Probably because it's laughably phony, as well as a tired ploy to try and paint Biden as not running with all his lights on. 

There wasn't a fraction of the number of posts when CBS used a picture of Italy and tried to claim it was NY was pushing their corona fear tactics.  Way more dangerous than someone trying to make Biden look foolish.  He rarely needs that helps

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6 hours ago, Ramblin Wreck said:

There wasn't a fraction of the number of posts when CBS used a picture of Italy and tried to claim it was NY was pushing their corona fear tactics.  Way more dangerous than someone trying to make Biden look foolish.  He rarely needs that helps

I have never heard of that happening, but with 220k dead and counting here, fear tactics isn't the phrase I'm thinking of at any rate.

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It's past midnight curfew in Miami-Dade County, but a Trump super-spreader rally gets a pass with the County Mayor, Carlos Gimenez, and Governor, Ron DeSantis, in attendance.

>>As county lawyers ask a Florida appeals court to let Miami-Dade keep its midnight curfew in place & force bars and restaurants to close early, @realDonaldTrump drew thousands to Opa-locka for a rally that is now violating the curfew. <<

https://twitter.com/doug_hanks/status/1323127691814543360

This was Carlos Gimenez in July:

>>In July, Gimenez told @FaceTheNation : “We had thousands of young people together, outside, a lot of them not wearing masks, and we know that when you do that, and you are talking and you are chanting, et cetera, that really spreads the virus.” via @WLRN<<

https://twitter.com/doug_hanks/status/1323124411021578249

 

 

 

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I hope voters are paying attention   Biden cannot keep up with Trump’s energy   He’s now forgetting what he is wearing  

 

Tim Murtaugh

⁦‪@TimMurtaugh‬⁩

I hope all of my fellow ⁦‪@Eagles‬⁩ fans saw Joe Biden claim to be wearing an Eagles jacket today in Philly.

It was a Delaware Blue Hens jacket. pic.twitter.com/mywv7IUCd8

 

11/1/20, 6:00 PM

 

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10 minutes ago, knowledge dropper said:


 

I hope voters are paying attention   Biden cannot keep up with Trump’s energy   He’s now forgetting what he is wearing  

 

Tim Murtaugh

⁦‪@TimMurtaugh‬⁩

I hope all of my fellow ⁦‪@Eagles‬⁩ fans saw Joe Biden claim to be wearing an Eagles jacket today in Philly.

It was a Delaware Blue Hens jacket. pic.twitter.com/mywv7IUCd8

 

11/1/20, 6:00 PM

 

Biden isn't winning Pennsylvania anyway.  

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