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The General
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Sad, old dude is my prez. Barely a day goes by where he doesn't remind me with some sad, old comments.
Joe Summer
Footballguy
She didn't marry her brother. That's a rumor which was propagated by a conservative blogger in 2016.
(But how can you really tell when all the names and faces look the same, amirite?!?)
There are lots and lots of legitimate reasons to criticize Omar. Spreading nasty rumors is not one of them.
timschochet
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Which is the main reason I didn’t bother to link them, because I correctly guessed you would share this absurd attitude with most of the other Trump supporters around here.Megla said:
The General
Footballguy
What would you find inspiring about this Prez? Unless you enjoy listening to him talk about himself there are almost no redeeming qualities.Thought that was kind of agreed upon by vast majority but people just put up with him because they like the tax breaks and they don't like the Democrats policies.
maybe I like sad old dudes
Thought that was kind of agreed upon by vast majority but people just put up with him because they like the tax breaks and they don't like the Democrats policies.
The General
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timschochet
Footballguy
Yes.GoBirds said:
She is a rebel. She follows a great tradition of American muckrakers. Her criticism is sharp (though most of her solutions are flawed.)
And whatever bad ideas she has, she demonstrated today that she knows far more about American values and patriotism than Donald trump ever will.
GoBirds
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You tried really hard here........and she still sounds terrible. Looking for shock value with her very questionable comments and playing the race card while bringing no value to the table it seems.
The General
Footballguy
timschochet
Footballguy
Lol I didn’t have to try hard at all.
Her value to the country depends largely on your perspective. Did you find Malcolm X valuable? Tecumsah? Marcus Garvey? Muhammad Ali (in terms of politics?) Emma Goldman?
As I wrote, she is part of a long tradition.
timschochet
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I guess I should have added “and sometimes they demand, rather impotently, that people leave the thread.”
Ramblin Wreck
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HellToupee
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Overstaying Your Welcome
When you are enjoying a conversation or just the company of another person, it is very easy to overstay your welcome, straying from the period when they are comfortable with you being there to when they just wish you would go.
This can happen in a simple conversation when you talk too much, especially about yourself, or otherwise are taking more than you are giving. It can also happen when the others have something to do and your presence is stopping them from getting on with their day.
Example
A person is feeling upset so they call unexpectedly on a friend. They spend the evening pouring out their troubles, not noticing that the other person is regularly looking at the clock.
A person joins a group of other people at a party. They talk with him at first but after a while he feels they are ignoring him. Rather than making his excuses and moving on, he just hangs around, trying to say something funny, though never raising even a smile.
Discussion
The desired duration for people in company tends to vary between people with, at some point, one person wanting to stay while others want them to go. You can avoid this situation by looking for clues such as:
Short answers to your questions.
Them looking elsewhere rather than at you when you are talking.
Their feet or whole body pointing away.
A false smile (just with the mouth but not the eyes).
Not starting new topics of conversation.
Asking what time it is.
A good rule is that if you just bump into people, ask how they are and listen more before saying anything about yourself. Then keep this light, with moans to the minimum. And then leave within a few minutes unless they seem particularly happy to be talking with you.
The best plan in conversation is to leave while they want you to stay, not when they want you to go. By using the scarcity principle, you leave them wanting more, which results in them mentally moving towards you rather than away from you. When you do move on, aim to leave them feeling good, for example by thanking them or paying them a compliment.
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Ramblin Wreck
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If I think the entire thread lacks thoughtful opinions and defenses of the subject I'm going to post in it over and over and over. Makes perfect sense
timschochet
Footballguy
timschochet
Footballguy
Most of the time I just try to offer thoughtful opinions and hope that a conversation will ensue. Gets frustrating though. Must be like you complaining about football at Georgia Tech?
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
You've already said the conversation won't ensue. You also know it's not going to happen when the usual suspects show up with the same shtick every time a discussion begins. Look at this thread. Those guys jumped from the other Trump thread to follow the Trump guys over here and continue the same shtick.
GoBirds
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As much time as they spend in here think of how brutal the echo chamber must be?
HellToupee
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boots11234
Footballguy
How are you all going to react whe he is re-elected?
Hawkeye21
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SaintsInDome2006
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timschochet
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BigSteelThrill
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zoonation
Footballguy
This is the perfect illustration of what trump supporters do in every thread all the time: Dodge the question by claiming the answer to it is obvious.Megla said:
Megla does exactly that here. Tim asks how he defines anti-Americanism and asks for examples. Megla tells him to google articles about the Squad to find examples of anti-Americanism. But that is, of course, begging the question. And he knows it which makes the post disingenuous.
Wash, rinse, repeat.
dkp993
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The usual suspects that follow people around the regular 50 But Trump! threads baiting them trying to get them suspended? It's telling who jumps in here and tries the same shtick because there aren't any dissenters in the other threads (If we could just keep @Don't Noonanfrom egging them on over there.). It's like they have withdrawal from not being able to hit the report button several times every hour.
Have to give Tim a pass though, he wakes up thinking about this place. While most of us are having morning sex he has to make sure he has several different options posted in every single thread.
IN - before the rash of "What makes morning sex better than posting?" "Prove to me Tim doesn't have morning sex." "Just because he posts here doesn't mean he doesn't have morning sex." "Morning sex and posting isn't mutually exclusive, you could be doing them at the same time"
Is this Canadian for "I told you so"
Couple of things
Love how you can speak in absolutes-'every thread, all the time'
Didn't dodge anything, I told Tim to look for himself, much like he did to me in regards to proof of his stance on polling, I dont see you clamoring about that
Lastly, you keep using the word disingenuous, in the immortal words of Inigo Montoya, I dont think it means what you think it means
Joe Summer
Footballguy
"I didn't dodge anything, I just refused to give an answer and told the person to go look up my claim himself."
zoonation
Footballguy
No, I know what disingenuous means. However, based on your response I agree you weren’t being disingenuous. You truly didn’t understand that you were begging the question.
I was originally going to use what Tim responded to you about polling as a perfect counter example, but thought that would be overkill. However, given that you brought it up, and clearly don’t understand the difference, I guess I will.
When you asked Tim to provide evidence to support his claims that Trump is likely to lose those key states, he directed you to polling that suggested he would lose. Now, you can and will dismiss the polling as bad evidence, but it still evidence. He didn’t beg the question.
Your response to his request for evidence of what constitutes anti-Americanism was a textbook example of begging the question.
I apologize for assuming you were being disingenuous. I now know you think you were answering his question.
SaintsInDome2006
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Mark twain, guys. That means you've plumbed the depth of a not very deep depth.
I've said I think this thread is valuable. And what's going on here is going on nationally. It's really not healthy. I saw on CNN this evening - watched maybe a minute or so - the Trump surrogate (name escapes me) arguing in response to the liberal talking head's point that 'ok maybe you're not racist but you're enabling and giving power to a racist' which is made here over and over and over again by responding that 1. look at Chicago and the black murder rate and 2. he's a nationalist, not a white nationalist.
I only mention that because here are two highly paid, professional political experts going through the same dance as the anon amateurs here, which we all are.
I'll just say as someone who has read I think a pretty good deal of history that this nationalism vs socialism chasm is extremely unhealthy. I have family from Spain and it happened there ages ago.
Reflect a little. Nationally the Trump supporters take glee in the ever increasing worry and disgust and concern from liberals and conservatives. The wilder the Trump behavior (and let's face it it just has to become wilder with every day to generate this rubric) the greater the angst and thus the greater the reaction. On and on and on.
The Trump supporters won't speak in positive values. The Trump critics get ever more agitated and try broader and broader language to get their attention, making a plea for common values.
I don't see an echo chamber or a cesspool here, I see a microcosm, a window to the national course as it stands right now. Take it for what it's worth, it's an effect.
I've said I think this thread is valuable. And what's going on here is going on nationally. It's really not healthy. I saw on CNN this evening - watched maybe a minute or so - the Trump surrogate (name escapes me) arguing in response to the liberal talking head's point that 'ok maybe you're not racist but you're enabling and giving power to a racist' which is made here over and over and over again by responding that 1. look at Chicago and the black murder rate and 2. he's a nationalist, not a white nationalist.
I only mention that because here are two highly paid, professional political experts going through the same dance as the anon amateurs here, which we all are.
I'll just say as someone who has read I think a pretty good deal of history that this nationalism vs socialism chasm is extremely unhealthy. I have family from Spain and it happened there ages ago.
Reflect a little. Nationally the Trump supporters take glee in the ever increasing worry and disgust and concern from liberals and conservatives. The wilder the Trump behavior (and let's face it it just has to become wilder with every day to generate this rubric) the greater the angst and thus the greater the reaction. On and on and on.
The Trump supporters won't speak in positive values. The Trump critics get ever more agitated and try broader and broader language to get their attention, making a plea for common values.
I don't see an echo chamber or a cesspool here, I see a microcosm, a window to the national course as it stands right now. Take it for what it's worth, it's an effect.
BigSteelThrill
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HellToupee
Footballguy
busy work morning schedule today. I expect pandemonium by the time I return in the afternoon
knowledge dropper
Footballguy
The crew is currently refreshing Twitter every 5 seconds in hopes of catching the latest faux outrage trend at its infancy. I’m sure you won’t be disappointed.
busy work morning schedule today. I expect pandemonium by the time I return in the afternoon
knowledge dropper
Footballguy
It seems the story was never refuted and still has legs
https://www.nationalreview.com/news/clue-hidden-in-website-code-fuels-speculation-on-rep-omars-marital-history/
Widbil83
Footballguy
Good morning comrades! I present to you the faux left wing outrage of the day-
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212281231
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212281231
HellToupee
Footballguy
Lamest excuse ever. Turn off Fox news for a second and google a little bit. The rest of the world is laughing at us for our current clown show in the white house. You claim he's a capitalist, but he's not. If he was, he wouldn't have filed six bankruptcies already. The dude is a failure as a capitalist. So now that we've put that BS excuse to rest, what's your next justification for trying to put that inept embarrassment back in office?
And for you to claim you can't vote for Warren because she did something disgraceful and then say you'll vote for this bigot... You turned the hypocrisy up to 11. Congrats.
P.S. Capitalism is supposed to be survival of the fittest. Him being able to default on his loans six times is worse than liberal entitlement programs. Both actions cost someone else money to prop up another person.
You know the report specifically said if he was exonerated the report would say so, right? The report absolutely did not conclude it was not real. However, it did line out at least 10 solid cases for obstruction... so it shouldn't be surprising they were not able to obtain the evidence they needed.
But the best answer to your question would be: kind of like the birther people? They spent longer trying to prove Obama wasn't born here than the Russia investigation took.
Tell me, how does one become so obsessed with the political goings on of a Country you don't reside in? Do you have family or a SO that live in the states?
It just seems odd, one might even say (yep, you guessed it, I have too) disingenuous!
Who knows, maybe I'm just 'begging the question' again.
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