timschochet
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This response used to be a bannable offense because the mods determined that it was obvious trolling- but then again, so is stating “this election is clearly fraudulent” without offering evidence or engaging in discussion.
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Chaz McNulty
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timschochet
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Based on what? You’d better have evidence of fraud before you make that kind of accusation. You’re accusing people, some Democrats, some Republicans, of risking their careers, their honor and integrity, risking jail time in order to tamper with an election? Show some proof or please don’t do this.
Max Power
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Chaz McNulty
Footballguy
You don't think this could have been a mistake? Someone transposing something wrong?
timschochet
Footballguy
I did. I have no idea who the Election Wizard is or his source so I have no idea if the information there is trustworthy.
But assuming that it is all true, it’s still YOU that made the leap from error to willful fraud. What you presented does not do that. If you’re going to make that sort of accusation, you need to have direct proof to back it up.
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
In fairness, if the process is so loose that someone can “read things wrong” or “transpose numbers” then it isn’t exactly a robust system.
Chaz McNulty
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moleculo
Footballguy
this is why they have a mandatory recount for <0.5%. Mistakes happen. It's human nature. The fact that this was caught is proof that the process works and is self correcting, not of some nefarious plot to cheat.
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
Agree. I think the pushback from Trump supporters would be “if we see 9,000 vote swings in GA, doesn’t that open up the possibility that WI, MI, AZ, NV, PA are all in play still?”
A secondary concern — that this is outright fraud — has no basis in fact or evidence thus far.
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Doug B
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I have actually wondered if Biden has been getting briefings surreptitiously since maybe Monday 11/9.
moleculo
Footballguy
let me add one more thing here: the AP still has not called GA. According to the AP, Biden has 290 electoral college votes, Trump has 232. Georgia's 16 are undeclared, pending the recount. This is the process working.
Trust the process.
Rich Conway
Footballguy
Trump himself tweeted that there was no foreign interference in the election, so that means we can start including Biden on these briefings, right?
Godsbrother
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Not sure if this guy is accurate or not but here is some more info:
https://twitter.com/stphnfwlr?lang=en
Doug B
Footballguy
That particular error was a tabulation error in the ongoing hand audit -- the original machine count was apparently accurate.
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Rich Conway
Footballguy
Correct. The original count said ~1000 votes for Biden. During the recount/audit, someone accidentally wrote down ~10,000 instead of the correct number, AND that accident was identified and corrected during the same recount. There was no malfeasance, no issue, no benefit to Biden, and everything operated as designed.
Doug B
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I am looking for old-line news backup (esp major Georgia papers such as the Atlanta Journal-Constitution or the Savannah Morning News) for corroboration of David Schafer's and the Election Wizard's tweets -- coming up empty so far. Traditional news sources have reported on other miscues uncovered during the current Georgia hand audit, so there's no doubt in my mind they'd report on a ~9,000-vote tabulation error as well. Maybe something will come out later today.
But even just going by those tweets, there's nothing there IMHO.
Doug B
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The current Georgia hand audit is fine, IMHO. The Georgia SoS initiated it because the apparent margin of victory was so close (within 0.5%). In tabulating five million ballots, errors will certainly be found -- essentially, Georgia is double-checking their work before handing it in.
Uwe Blab
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Tabulation error in the hand recount NOT the original count. Nothing changes. If it hasn’t been noticed, Biden would’ve had ~8000 new votes thru the recount
Max Power
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You went from evidence to proof. The evidence is there. It was documented and submitted back to the state to review.
timschochet
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Max Power
Footballguy
Who caught the error? The people certifying or poll watchers? I think this proves we need more observers.
Max Power
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Max Power
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I'm still wondering how 10,000ish votes were certified correct, with only 1,000ish ballots in the batch. That is more than a simple error and needs serious investigation.
moleculo
Footballguy
not really. From the sounds of it, this was a tabulation error, caught when a discrepancy between number of votes cast vs sum of votes for each candidate didn't match up, or match up with the machine tally. From the sounds of it, it has nothing to do with the watchers.
Max Power
Footballguy
In my mind I dont think 1,000 ballots would be mistaken for 10,000. With the entire margin going to the same candidate.
How did this get certified?
moleculo
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Doug B
Footballguy
Were they?
I really don't want to go off tweets to inform myself of what happened here. But the tweets posted in thread make me think nothing untoward happened.
Are we ever going to see old-line media report on this story?
Max Power
Footballguy
One of our monitors discovered a 9,626 vote error in the DeKalb County hand count.
it doesnt say the certification process caught the error. It said this batch was already signed off on.
James Daulton
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It was a simple mistake. The person calling out the hand vote count called 10k instead of 1k. Had nothing to do with the machine vote count. If no one had noticed, this large a discrepancy would have been audited and discovered.
Absolutely nothing nefarious.
Maik Jeaunz
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moleculo
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does signed off = certified? in my experience, certified means signed off by an independent reviewer. I can count something and sign my name that it is correct. But for my count to be certified, it needs to be reviewed by someone else.
ETA: if one of the monitors caught it, good for them! nice catch! We should applaud their work in ensuring a fair and safe election.
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Doug B
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We have no source for the part in red. Here is David Shafer's original tweet:
Admittedly speculation, but I offer it anyway: One easy way for 1,077 to turn into 10,707 is to type numbers in sloppily on a ten-key (adding machine or computer keyboard). You're typing in "1-0-" but then you don't release the zero quick enough before hitting the seven, which yields "1-0-7-0-". Then press the seven to complete the entry, and "1,077" renders as "10,707".
GordonGekko
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https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/voter-turnout-2016-elections
"What does voter turnout tell us about the 2016 election?
By —
Michael D. Regan
Politics Nov 20, 2016 3:03 PM EST
The vast majority of ballots have been counted nearly two weeks after one of the biggest political upsets in modern U.S. history catapulted Donald Trump to the presidency.
.....
But among those figures were stark contrasts in key states that helped swing the election to Trump — in Ohio, Wisconsin, Iowa, Michigan and elsewhere — indicating the President-elect’s leap from long-shot candidate to the most powerful political position in the world may have happened in part because of apathy toward Hillary Clinton’s candidacy, especially among the Democratic base, several political scientists and organizations monitoring voter turnout told the PBS NewsHour.
While Clinton is leading the popular vote by more than 1.5 million over Trump as of Sunday, she trails President Obama’s 2012 totals by more than 2 million ballots — a chasm that may have cost her the election, said David Becker, co-founder of the Center for Election and Innovation and Research.
“Several million voters didn’t come out to vote,” Becker said. “Which is telling me that this idea of the Trump wave, a huge number of voters shifting over to Trump, is certainly not the story.”
......
“You saw turnout spike in more rural counties,” Alexander said. “If you take a look at a lot of the larger cities you did see depressed turnout there. It certainly was more consequential for Hillary Clinton than it was for Trump.”
..... Clinton also did not perform as well as Obama with core Democratic blocs, including blue collar people.
“I don’t know if it’s so much this fleeing of the blue collar people to Donald Trump,” Alexander said. “But I think there’s a lot of blue collar individuals that the Democrats typically rely on. Those are the folks who didn’t show up.”
Clinton also pulled in a lower share of voters between ages 18 and 29 than Obama did during his two campaigns, Becker said.
Preliminary national exit polls released in the days after the election showed the contest was divided by race, gender and education, though black and Latino minorities did not turn out like they had for Obama and women did not show up for Clinton to the extent that many had predicted.....
“I think there’s warning signs in both parties,” Becker said. “Obviously Democrats are losing votes and Republicans aren’t really building their base. The numbers they’re getting are holding pretty consistent. That should be troubling when the electorate is on the older side.”
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Trump did not win in 2016. His chances to prevail in this election cycle are basically close to zero, he'll need multiple legal Hail Marys in a row but it was actually pretty close if you consider he was going up against basically the entire establishment by himself.
Again, Trump did not win as much as the DNC and Hillary Clinton lost. That's the narrative NO ONE WANTS TO TALK ABOUT. If you dominate the MSM, Big Tech, social media, Hollywood, the entire education system, come from a political dynasty and legacy, have the draw of being the first woman POTUS ever along with the largest financial war chest any politician has ever seen, how do you lose?
https://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/trump-clinton-campaign-fundraising-totals-232400
https://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/07/16/423358905/5-things-weve-learned-about-2016-presidential-fundraising
Clinton will blame the Comey letter. Which Nate Silver of 538 ( You can argue if he ever has credibility anymore) said swung the election about 3 percent, which was just enough for Trump to win. Whose fault was that to set up a private email server in one of her homes and use that non secure Blackberry when she was advised not to do so? ( She was powerful, geriatric, arrogant and not a digital native, which all combined to doom her) That bizarre Comey Rule movie spent exactly three lines of script with the lowest audio possible to have one minor character say Clinton should have known better and put herself in that position.
In another election cycle, that audio of "locker room talk" but Trump disparaging women would have sunk most candidates, until Trump brought all the women that Bill Clinton raped to a press conference right before a major debate. That's on the Clinton family as a whole which was the cost of legacy, Hillary had to pay for that politically.
The DNC LOVED the kind of money Hillary Clinton could raise for the party and their campaigns. That greed got them to groupthink themselves into a situation where they created massive voter apathy. Then they doubled down with Biden, a guy who literally had to be handled and managed ( Obama had to be dusted off to do the stretch run campaigning for him) and thrown basically only softballs by the truly leftist MSM, to conceal the not so big secret about the cognitive problem in play.
No one here talks about Tulsi Gabbard. Who the DNC outright blacklisted and cancelled out. And yet she still openly destroyed Kamala Harris, whom the DNC wishes got the ticket. Gabbard, with full support, would have won 2020 in a landslide. Now in 2024, what's left? The very thin hope that Oprah Winfrey runs? AOC? Newsom? To take on Dan Crenshaw/Nikki Haley? None of the liberals here are going to mention Dan Crenshaw's name either since HE CAN'T BE CANCELLED. The DNC tries just one dip of the toe in the that pool of character attack/personal attack/cancel culture and the blowback will crush them. The guy looks like a pirate and he's a combat veteran and he lost his eye fighting for this country for a decade. He's young, will appeal to legacy Republican voters and has a clean profile. Even just one dumb comment by AOC or Omar or Newsom ( they can't help themselves...) and the DNC loses the entire military / law enforcement vote and will drive moderates/undecideds to the right. Not only did the DNC lose 2016, they nearly lost 2020 and the self inflicted hits ( linked to woke politics/rioting/losing an alarming number of minority voters) will cost him in 2024. 12 HOR seats flipped against all projections and it's very likely the RNC holds the Senate.
Scream Orange Man Bad again and again. It's the blame game. The DNC needed to put forward candidates that the American people could get behind.
With some adjustments, a lot of conservatives would have gone for Tulsi Gabbard. She doesn't carry the stink of Biden's legacy ( Crime Bill, legacy financial payoffs for influence while VP through Hunter Biden, huge questions of dementia that the MSM basically ignored, Biden's continued foot in mouth disease which had to be spun as "Grandpa Joe's Gaffes That Are SO SO CHARMING!" ) or the scandal zone that is the Clinton family.
I mean why would Americans support a calm measured intelligent young beautiful combat veteran who can handle the press/big stage and who is also a minority and a woman with a relatively clean profile?
Lots about Trump not to like. He's a corrupt narcissist for sure. Everything has to be all about him all the time. And the MSM fed into that for the ratings and profit, which gave him OVER 2 BILLION IN UNPAID MEDIA COVERAGE in 2016. With less exposure, odds are he doesn't win. But the left leaning MSM didn't care that much about the American people did they? Nope, they kept up the Orange Man Bad media blitz because political porn is good for ratings and profit and for those media pundits to push their individual brand. No one wanted to talk about Trump's timing, where he walked in as an outsider when much of the American public was weary of career politicians like Pelosi and their open corruption/condescension.
If it's a "black mark" on American society and political history that Donald Trump was once President, then it's ALSO A BLACK MARK on the DNC, Hillary Clinton, the Bush political dynasty, MSM, Grandpa Joe Biden and greed all along the trail to allow group think and being completely tone deaf to the will of the American people to let it get that far.
Sorry, I interrupted some of you, you were busy SCREAMING ORANGE MAN BAD again and again like it's the only reason 2016 was lost and 2020 was close.
"You want to talk about the splinter in someone else's eye but do not see the plank in your own? "
( Yes, it finally happened, after all these years, even an atheist like Gordon Gekko decided to go full blown Biblical on you )
No one wants to talk about any of this here. You know, things like getting your own game right before deciding to blame others first. Losers play the blame game. Losers don't reflect on what they can do and should be doing better on their end, no matter who is facing them. Losers want to silence accountability of any kind.
How pathetic do you have to be politically to lose to a corrupt outsider with his own legacy of scandal with that kind of political/media/financial firepower at your disposal?
Gr00vus
Footballguy
34 indictments, seven guilty pleas, five people sentenced to prison, an estimated 7 - 10 instances of obstruction of justice by Trump and his administration
Gr00vus
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Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
We all knew you'd never be able to stay out of this thread because you can't stop posting garbage like this.
GordonGekko
Footballguy
Would you say the same if the election positions were REVERSED?
If someone called out 10K for Trump instead of 1K? If the situation was those votes would be critical for a Biden scenario where he would mirror Trump's current position?
Or would most of you be enraged and up in arms about it?
What about the dead people voting if they voted for Trump and the situation was reversed?
What about if the count stopped in the middle of the night, the vote count swung in the opposite direction as it did, but this time for Trump and the situation was reversed?
What about the cases were observers were not given access or were put into logistics that were untenable and the situation was reversed?
What about the gaggle of ballots found in dumpsters and the situation was reversed?
What about the accusations that late mail ballots were stamped with an early date postmark and the situation was reversed?
Would the army of hardened liberals in this forum ( some not all) just say , "Hey, absolutely nothing nefarious!" Or would some of you be climbing the walls and be frothing at the teeth?
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
Trump was convicted? Might wanna be careful about tagging FBG Moderator asking if it's okay to post lies in this thread when you're clearly here to troll yourself.
Rich Conway
Footballguy
I think you've misinterpreted what appears to have happened here.
- Original count came back as 1077 votes for Biden
- Hand recount confirmed 1077 votes for Biden
- Poll worker mistakenly keyed in 10707 votes for Biden as result of hand recount
- Significant discrepancy between original count and recount created an alert for someone to review
- Reviewer noticed the error and corrected it back to 1077, which is what the original count said all along
Again, no malfeasance, no issue, everything worked exactly as designed to ensure votes were tabulated correctly.
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GordonGekko
Footballguy
You sure you want to play this game? Trying to force the 4-5 conservative minded who actually post regularly to play the "Use the Report Button" game?
But hey, once you cancel Toupee, and then you go after me, then Max Power, and Norville Barnes, you'll finally be most of the way to silencing everyone with the crime of having a different political opinion than you.
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dkp993
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supermike80
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Rich Conway
Footballguy
Lots of people also think the Earth is flat. That it's their opinion doesn't change the fact that it's untrue.
supermike80
Footballguy
Sooo if someone comes on this board and says the earth is flat they should be banned by the moderators? Is that what you are saying here?
KarmaPolice
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