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I loved the chants of "Stop the Count" in Pennsylvania, Michigan and Georgia where the President was holding onto a decreasing lead while at the same chanting "Count the votes" in Nevada and Arizona where he was behind and gaining.
And he tried in 2017 to crack down on all the election fraud he claimed was happening. He formed his own committee to investigate it and they came back with nothing. I get the appeals for fair and trustworthy elections but how much finger pointing and blame gaming are people going to allow Team Trump to do without evidence before they dismiss him and accept the result.
Why do you believe Trump is only focusing on the states he lost with election integrity?
Trying times because Trump voters are bitter they lost? Just like Hilary voters were bitter when she lost? From a voter unhappiness perspective, what is different?
Agreed and it’s nothing personal against you. Maybe I shouldn’t have used the word trolling since it’s so loaded. You may not like me or think I’m an ### when it comes to this discussion but I’m coming from a good spot. I believe you are being swindled. Now I know you probably feel I’m the one being conned and that makes it difficult for us to move forward. I do hope that we as a country do move forward in the coming weeks, months and years though.
Nothing against you. I know you're one of the better posters here. I don't have a ton of free time lately, so I only reply to the convos I think have potential.
What makes you think these claims haven't been investigated? They have. Over and over again. They've repeatedly been shown to be false. The response in these "hearings" is to simply repeat the claims over again.
This is the part that he seems to keep dismissing. There have already been tons of investigations and none of them have resulted in any evidence of significant fraud. But then you have a president who is stating things like "this election was rigged" without any proof. That's the part that I take issue with but I realize that not all Trump supporters see eye to eye.
I obviously want our voting systems to be as secure as possible, but just because there is a possibility our voting systems got hacked does not mean there is any evidence they did get hacked. The hand recounts that have been done should make this a non-issue, but here we are.
Great through what? What is the what? No evidence. 1-39 in court cases. It's been 4 weeks now.
Couldn’t really care less about this news.BREAKING: The Wisconsin Supreme Court has refused to hear President Trump's election lawsuit, likely dooming his effort to subvert Democrat Joe Biden's win in the battleground state.
To be fair, some of the pro-Trump crowd ran themselves off. For example, Tony made fun of people who stutter. He gone. That wasn't being run off by anybody but himself.
I don't think Republicans did in 2016. I know democrats did and some even made claims that Russians hacked the system.
can you link to the claims of Russians hacking in 2016? I've read about Russian bots influencing the election thru social media post/propaganda but I've haven't seen this Russian hacking claims
Probably was laughing about the Trump team taking another L from a court that has a conservative majority
The difference is the Democratic nominee and the vast majority of Democrats didn't go nutty filing frivolous lawsuits that can't stand up in court and staging ridiculous press conferences and "hearings".
I dont hope the process failed us. I'm questioning if it did. It's the resistance to transparency that bothers me.
The audits have happened. The recounts have happened. Why do you continue to ignore that everything you've requested has already happened?
They haven't done forensic or signature audits. A recount and audit are not the same. I also dont trust running dominion audits on dominion systems. Let's go full third party with the audit.
Why did you not insist on forensic audits in 2016 or 2018? There were stories of voter fraud back then and in almost every election. Should we require audits for every county in every state for every election? Just cherry picking areas where Trump lost doesn't seem right if you are interesting in full transparency.
I just kind of started in the last month - wanted to take up the slack for all of our fallen comrades.Ramblin Wreck said:
If I was truly invested in making sure our voting systems worked, which I personally am, I would be furious at these lawyers for their awful handling of significantly important issues. Trump's legal team and Sydney Powell have botched this so bad, and have done such an unprofessional job, that the next true issue with voting systems is going to be laughed at as a continuation of their abysmal failure.
To go even a step further - I think Trump inadvertently did help with the whole "drain the swamp" by indirectly highlighting some huge holes we have in our democracy and government in general. I'm totally unwilling to go so far as to say he did it on purpose - it's much more likely he did it for himself. But either way - we've seen some glaring issues that need to be fixed. And I'll also agree with folks on the right that say we are spending too much time focusing on just Trump. Instead, let's focus on a remedy for some of the issues that not only caused Trump to be a reality but also let's figure out how we can limit the damage any one person can do to our nation.
No kidding. Look at the number of guys that have made fun of orange skin or Trump's weight that are still posting away. But stutteringHellToupee said:
I'm gonna sound like a broken record, but one of the best things Trump did during his presidency was bring in Krebs to shore up cyber security and election fraud. Krebs, a lifelong Republican hired by Trump to head CISA in 2018 has an impeccable record and left a lucrative gig in the private sector to go to work for his country.
I agree, but with a forward thinking mindset. Democrats prioritized improving the election process, but none of their efforts have gone anywhere. We're left to our own devices to speculate why, but I have zero interest in listening to whining from Republicans and Trump specifically about this past one. Decisions have consequences. They had opportunities to tighten up the process and consistently opted to either ignore it or make it more difficult.
I'm just telling you what happened. Feel free to shoot the messenger if it makes you guys feel better.
I think any areas that saw large fluctuations or high turnouts should be looked it.
Can you explain exactly what you mean when you say "forensic audit" and "signature audit"? What is it that you want to happen, and who do you want to do whatever it is?
On one hand, I agree. For both valid and nefarious reasons.
A signature audit will check the absentee ballot vs the envelope or request form to ensure they match.
I'll start with signature audit. You understand that most states have "secret ballot" provisions, such that once the actual ballot is removed/separated from the envelope, they cannot be linked back together, right? In most states, when the ballot is first processed, there is a signature matching process, with party observers present. Once the signature match is confirmed, the ballot itself is then removed/separated for counting, and the ballot itself can then never again be linked back to the signature. This is the process in Georgia, for example. So what are you proposing needs to occur now, at this point in the process? If your answer is that you want John Doe's actual vote to be matched against John Doe's absentee submission with signature, that is impossible. I suspect that the Trump knows it's impossible, which is exactly why they keep requesting it; so they can then rail against "the system" for not doing it.
Oh, I don't mind paying for socialism, but I would prefer not having my money used for this bogus fraudulent vote nonsense.
