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TRUMP TO INFINITY AND BEYOND HQ - The Great and Positive Place (12 Viewers)

shader said:
I guess ignore in the sense that they are just poking fun at him.  CNN today is a good example of that.  They don't take any of it seriously and present it in a way that doesn't represent the views of the right.

I'm not saying that's right or wrong...just saying it is what it is.
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That’s what a responsible media SHOULD do.  I don’t want a media that gives equal time to the arguments of both round earthers and flat earthers to be “fair.”  

 
Mr. Ham said:
NorvilleBarnes said:
That's a lot of accusations. I hope your reputation on this board doesn't suffer.
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Don’t believe me (you won’t, and that’s fine.) But Ken Paxton was so openly corrupt, his own staff demanded his investigation. Seven senior members wrote a one page letter they made public saying, “We have a good faith belief that the attorney general is violating federal and/or state law including prohibitions related to improper influence, abuse of office, bribery and other potential criminal offenses.”

Even Governor Abbot, our dyed in the wool GOP hard liner, has said that accusations about Paxton, “Raise serious concerns.” In Texas, that level of daylight between members of the party is telling. These guys stick together unless they absolutely cannot.

https://www.texastribune.org/2020/10/03/texas-ken-paxton-bribery-investigation/

But we live in an age when Republicans imagine all the generalized corruptions Democrats are engaged in, without evidence, but out-in-the open textbook lawbreaking is greeted with, “Not so fast!”

It’s not controversial to assume Paxton is corrupt, and in criminal jeopardy. This is important context for why he’s filing a frivolous lawsuit that appeals to Trump’s ego (while harming our nation.)
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Well you're certainly in the right thread. I was afraid you were going to learn your lesson with the pardon nonsense but I forgot you don't get embarrassed. And that's why I love you so much. Please continue posting your thoughts. On anything. In any thread. It's all good my man.  :suds:

 
timschochet said:
President Trump has less than 6 weeks left, but he could really have a positive impact in the coming days by taking these simple steps: 

1. Promote, publicly,  mask wearing and social distancing. It’s never too late. People are getting sick and dying. He needs to emphasize to his most fervent supporters how serious this is. 

2. Promote, publicly, taking the vaccine. Trump is proud of his role in getting the vaccine developed quickly and frankly I think he should be: it’s his greatest accomplishment as President IMO. So he should promote taking it. It would be wonderful if he joined the other Presidents by taking it himself live on camera. That would do a world of good. 
 

These easy steps would do a lot, IMO, to redeem his catastrophic behavior over the last year or so. 
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I honestly don't understand the point of this post. 

There is as much a chance of this happening as there is of him going into a phone booth, taking off his suit, having a cape underneath, and him flying to the moon.

 
moleculo said:
so now that we have established that Avenatti was nothing more then a porn-star's lawyer who tried to capitalize on his newly-found fame, how is his existence hypocrisy WRT Guliani?
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You established that.   There is no "We" in that conversation.  

Point again is, someone said Guliani is embarrassing to the republicans and I said sure but isn't that hypocritical since Avenetti was a big democrat sounding point for a while there?   Think he was. He was on CNN a LOT!! 

 
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Rich Conway said:
I think the point is this is NOT politics as normal.  This is a new situation because of the current GOP's cowardice and refusal to stand up to the petulant child currently at its helm.
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Oh blah.  Dems just wanna say that to support their case.  I reject that argument 100%.  It's politics. You may not like the politics, but too bad.  That's how it works.

 
tymarsas said:
I am not sure exactly how this poll was conducted, but it is the equivalent of a reporter asking a member of congress the question "Do you believe Donald Trump lost the election?" and them responding "No comment". It is not as nefarious as people are trying to make it seem. There are much better ways to stand up to the president. That being said, I would like to see more members of congress coming out and supporting the validity of the election.
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Much more fair point.  I can accept "I would like to see more"  VS.  "There should be more and they are cowards"  

 
shader said:
The media and the left have had an "ignore Trump" attitude over the last few weeks.  Today Youtube even announced they are going to start removing videos that question the results of the election.  The media narrative is currently that Biden has won, 100%.  As an example if I were to go ask my wife or any of her friends (who are all very non-political), they'd have no idea what's going on other than Trump whining about how he really won.

Meanwhile on the other planet known as the right, they feel they have a massive amount of evidence showing fraud.  A state (TExas) just sued four states in the supreme court and a number of other states have publicly given their support.  But the key  here is that at this point all of this is legal. The judicial system (thus far) has totally rejected all the claims.

The question is what Trump does if all these "legal" options are exhausted.  To be honest, the fringe left and the fringe right are in agreement on what he will do.  They think he will try to take extreme measures to stay in power.

But most people, myself included, think he will eventually concede because despite everything that's been said about him, he's really not shown that he's a dictator-type.  He's a reality star, a guy that is out for himself, a guy trying to make money.  I don't think he's going to bring out the military, declare martial law and start a civil war. 
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I agree with you.  He is exercising his legal right to challenge the election.  And rather than it weakening American's faith in the process, it should enhance it.  Shows we have the balance of power and safeguards in place to protect against anyone, be it Trump or a future President, from taking control of this great nation purely by will. 

It sounds dismissive but I really just wanna tell those that are hurt over this "too bad"  It's the way it can happen here and so far, it has gone exactly as you might want.  Almost all of the suits have been tossed.   Further validating the election.   Meanwhile, Trump is giving Biden access.  Quietly mostly.  But it's happening.  Biden is moving forward with his cabinet and positions.  He is getting a boat load of media coverage(as he absolutely should)  so I have a hard time with all the fuss.   This pie in the sky vision of how people are supposed to act, especially when it is the person you WANT to act a certain way  , is gone, dead.  Finished.   Joe posted links and info about how a DEMOCRAT (Cluching pearls) refused to concede the governor election in Georgia.  It ain't just the right.  And spare me "He is the President, he should be better."    We all agree that might be nice, but it isn't happening.

 
supermike80 said:
I agree with you.  He is exercising his legal right to challenge the election.  And rather than it weakening American's faith in the process, it should enhance it.  Shows we have the balance of power and safeguards in place to protect against anyone, be it Trump or a future President, from taking control of this great nation purely by will. 
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Conceptually, I think this statement is correct.  The issue that I have with it is the messaging.  If Team Trump, we'll call it, truly genuinely believes the election was rigged, then I would expect them to exhaust all legal avenues in proving so - I think you would be hard-pressed to find any American, regardless of political leaning who would disagree with that statement.

The problem is things like, for example, his entire Twitter feed.  He has literally, this morning, already made multiple claims that the election was rigged and that certain states' results should be overturned.  Or things like sowing doubt pre-election that if he doesn't do as well as he predicts, it was fraud.

The idea of Trump assembling a team of attorneys and experts to review and - if necessary - dispute election results is absolutely 100% an appropriate thing to do.  But the manner in which he is doing it only serves to further fracture an irreparably (IMO) broken political landscape.  I don't think he particularly cares, to be honest, so long as he and his family end up part of the elite financial class, but there are many millions of people out there who hinge on everything the guy says.  There is a right way and a wrong way to go about this.  Disputing the election process, if there's teeth to the investigation, doesn't weaken American faith in the process.  But the manner in which Trump is going about it (and has gone about it for a few years now) absolutely does, and will continue to do so.

 
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supermike80 said:
Joe posted links and info about how a DEMOCRAT (Cluching pearls) refused to concede the governor election in Georgia.  It ain't just the right. 
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This hot take has been tried before. And while it's true that Abrams declined to use the word "concede," what many who have played the "both sides!" card have failed to mention -- maybe because they simply weren't aware, or maybe because they deliberately hid the truth -- is that Abrams did acknowledge that Kemp was, in fact, the certified winner of the election.

Trump hasn't done that.

 
Steve Tasker said:
Conceptually, I think this statement is correct.  The issue that I have with it is the messaging.  If Team Trump, we'll call it, truly genuinely believes the election was rigged, then I would expect them to exhaust all legal avenues in proving so - I think you would be hard-pressed to find any American, regardless of political leaning who would disagree with that statement.

The problem is things like, for example, his entire Twitter feed.  He has literally, this morning, already made multiple claims that the election was rigged and that certain states' results should be overturned.  Or things like sowing doubt pre-election that if he doesn't do as well as he predicts, it was fraud.
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:goodposting:

It's a great notion in theory if the process leads to finality (in the acceptance sense). If it becomes just another foundational pillar knocked over, framed as another element of our democracy to be distrusted, that's not enhancing process faith.

 
Mr. Ham said:
NorvilleBarnes said:
Well you're certainly in the right thread. I was afraid you were going to learn your lesson with the pardon nonsense but I forgot you don't get embarrassed. And that's why I love you so much. Please continue posting your thoughts. On anything. In any thread. It's all good my man.  :suds:
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What pardon nonsense? I assume you’re referring to the plot that never hatched because a billionaire died, but where the former RNC finance co-chair and Trump crony who is now indicted was raided because evidence of an apparent plot was found during other corruption investigations?
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:lol:  The "plot that never hatched" sounds about right. 

 
supermike80 said:
Um....Taken from Wikipedia:

Avenatti expressed interest in running for President of the United States in 2020; he started a political action committee,[77][78] and held his first fundraiser at the Democratic Wing Ding in August.[79] In September 2018, Avenatti said he would run in 2020 only against Trump or Pence.[80] On November 1, 2018, Avenatti released his first political ad, which urged Americans to vote on November 6, 2018;[81] The Washington Post ranked him a top 15 contender.

Soooo....that seems to at least have some democratic party influecne at the time. Just sayin.  But that's enough on him I think
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If I find a Nazi that ran for a Republican nomination somewhere, can I claim that the Nazi represents the Republican Party?

 
Mr. Ham said:
What’s hysterical about using Avenatti as an example is he attempted to use Trump’s exact playbook. We now know he was over leveraged after what appears to have been a series of grifts. To avoid consequences, he adopted a populist platform and outrageous unfiltered persona in the hopes of levering his political status to wiggle out of charges. He was the Left’s Trump. 
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without the following and blind loyalty.

 
whoknew said:
I honestly don't understand the point of this post. 

There is as much a chance of this happening as there is of him going into a phone booth, taking off his suit, having a cape underneath, and him flying to the moon.
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The cape part is possible. From what I’ve read he wanted to do it when he got out of the hospital. 

 
Hunter tax evasion.  Swalwell honey pot.."Q: did you sleep with a spy?   A: that's classified"   

china china china.   3 years of the russia hoax.   be interesting how these will be covered.

 
kodycutter said:
Hunter tax evasion.  Swalwell honey pot.."Q: did you sleep with a spy?   A: that's classified"   

china china china.   3 years of the russia hoax.   be interesting how these will be covered.
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I hope that the Republican Party stands for more than just "Look at how the mainstream media covers this story!"

 
Sea Duck said:
That was seemingly your sentiment, not mine. I hope the majority of the party doesn't feel the same.
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I'd say don't push it under the rug because of the trump hatred.  if those do turn out as problems, then everyone should know.   i can't speak for a party.   

 
kodycutter said:
Sea Duck said:
That was seemingly your sentiment, not mine. I hope the majority of the party doesn't feel the same.
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I'd say don't push it under the rug because of the trump hatred.  if those do turn out as problems, then everyone should know.   i can't speak for a party.   
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I guess I don't understand why anyone would be preoccupied with how private businesses -- especially ones that they don't patronize -- choose to operate. It's just such a foreign concept to me, and really quite the opposite of what I thought "Republicanism" was all about.

I mean, I don't care if the Epoch Times or Footballguys pushes a story under the rug. There are other sites, ya know?

 
Sea Duck said:
I guess I don't understand why anyone would be preoccupied with how private businesses -- especially ones that they don't patronize -- choose to operate. It's just such a foreign concept to me, and really quite the opposite of what I thought "Republicanism" was all about.

I mean, I don't care if the Epoch Times or Footballguys pushes a story under the rug. There are other sites, ya know?
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no idea what you are saying here.   can you tell me what republicanism is all about?

 
kodycutter said:
Sea Duck said:
I guess I don't understand why anyone would be preoccupied with how private businesses -- especially ones that they don't patronize -- choose to operate. It's just such a foreign concept to me, and really quite the opposite of what I thought "Republicanism" was all about.

I mean, I don't care if the Epoch Times or Footballguys pushes a story under the rug. There are other sites, ya know?
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no idea what you are saying here.   can you tell me what republicanism is all about?
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Republicanism, to me, emphasizes a deference and respect to free enterprise and liberty. In that context, it would be contradictory to be concerned with a private business's choice to (for example) not cover a story about Hunter Biden.

 
Sea Duck said:
Republicanism, to me, emphasizes a deference and respect to free enterprise and liberty. In that context, it would be contradictory to be concerned with a private business's choice to (for example) not cover a story about Hunter Biden.
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Ok, thanks, so republicans, as a group, are not interested in the truth about issues.   I guess that's ok, ya know.

 
kodycutter said:
Sea Duck said:
Republicanism, to me, emphasizes a deference and respect to free enterprise and liberty. In that context, it would be contradictory to be concerned with a private business's choice to (for example) not cover a story about Hunter Biden.
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Ok, thanks, so republicans, as a group, are not interested in the truth about issues.   I guess that's ok, ya know.
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Republicans, as a group, should be interested in the truth.

Republicans, as a group, should not let themselves be defined by their preoccupation with private enterprise. It's a bad look. It's better to be about ideas than to be about what the other side says.

 
Sea Duck said:
Republicans, as a group, should be interested in the truth.

Republicans, as a group, should not let themselves be defined by their preoccupation with private enterprise. It's a bad look. It's better to be about ideas than to be about what the other side says.
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Thank you,   Is Swalwell and Hunter an issue for you?   Or should we just move on?

 
Mr. Ham said:
Blackmail is an issue across the board. What has Swalwell done that was unethical or wrong?

As far as Hunter, decisions to prosecute should be made based on evidence and not politics. I’m skeptical because Trump and his cronies clearly tried to manufacture false evidence and a false narrative about Hunter, that was eerily consistent with disinformation coming from Russia. 

That said—I’m not convinced there isn’t evidence of wrongdoing, and the specific allegation here is tax fraud. If there is, then the case should proceed.
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isn't that the russia hoax?   c'mon.   give me an even level headed response.       i know I'm in the minority on this board.      I get that and will probably be banned again.

 
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Sea Duck said:
Republicans, as a group, should be interested in the truth.

Republicans, as a group, should not let themselves be defined by their preoccupation with private enterprise. It's a bad look. It's better to be about ideas than to be about what the other side says.
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Thank you,   Is Swalwell and Hunter an issue for you?   Or should we just move on?
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Both stories have potential but neither is an "issue" to me at this point. I'm not bothered by CNN's perceived lack of coverage anymore than I'd be bothered by OAN's decision to make them front page stories. I do think both stories are odd choices for "Trump Thread" fodder, though. But, again, that goes to my whole point about what Republicans and/or Trump supporters stand for. Are they about ideas, or are they just about "the other side"?

 
kodycutter said:
Mr. Ham said:
Blackmail is an issue across the board. What has Swalwell done that was unethical or wrong?

As far as Hunter, decisions to prosecute should be made based on evidence and not politics. I’m skeptical because Trump and his cronies clearly tried to manufacture false evidence and a false narrative about Hunter, that was eerily consistent with disinformation coming from Russia. 

That said—I’m not convinced there isn’t evidence of wrongdoing, and the specific allegation here is tax fraud. If there is, then the case should proceed.
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isn't that the russia hoax?   c'mon.   give me an even level headed response.       i know I'm in the minority on this board.      I get that and will probably be banned again.
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Do you think "russia hoax" qualifies as a level headed response?

 
Mr. Ham said:
You really don’t seem to be educated on what is in the Mueller Report, what is still redacted, and the shameful history of both Barr’s intervention and Rosenstein hobbling the investigation. If you only consume right wing media, I can see how that could be the case. And after hundreds of pages in a separate thread we aren’t going to relitigate it here, but don’t pretend there wasn’t evidence, don’t pretend the public knows the full truth, and don’t pretend Trump, Stone, Manafort and others didn’t cooperate with Russia. 
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Sea Duck said:
Republicans, as a group, should be interested in the truth.

Republicans, as a group, should not let themselves be defined by their preoccupation with private enterprise. It's a bad look. It's better to be about ideas than to be about what the other side says.
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it's comforting to know how we should be defined In your opinion.   I'm taking notes.

thanx a bunch.

 
Mr. Ham said:
You really don’t seem to be educated on what is in the Mueller Report, what is still redacted, and the shameful history of both Barr’s intervention and Rosenstein hobbling the investigation. If you only consume right wing media, I can see how that could be the case. And after hundreds of pages in a separate thread we aren’t going to relitigate it here, but don’t pretend there wasn’t evidence, don’t pretend the public knows the full truth, and don’t pretend Trump, Stone, Manafort and others didn’t cooperate with Russia. 
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"educated"??????

nice slam & complete snark.  It's comments like this that do keep educated people not engaged on this site.  your post is a prime example of your complete hatred for the other side.  I am pleased though that you are "educated" and those who disagree with you are stupid.  brilliant.  I can hardly wait for your book.

just because you know you are right does not mean you are right.

adios

 
kodycutter said:
Sea Duck said:
Level-headed discussion would be nice.
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Do you have concerns with Hunter and the Big guys connection with China?
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Based on available details? Nope. As a supporter of liberty and free enterprise, I don't have a problem with private citizens utilizing those things to get ahead in the world. And, as an opponent of this country's oppressive tax system, I support anyone's effort to pay the absolute bare minimum of taxes that is legally required.

 
Sea Duck said:
Based on available details? Nope. As a supporter of liberty and free enterprise, I don't have a problem with private citizens utilizing those things to get ahead in the world. And, as an opponent of this country's oppressive tax system, I support anyone's effort to pay the absolute bare minimum of taxes that is legally required.
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just chuckling at this.   so trump wasn't your guy?    did you need his tax returns?

 
kodycutter said:
Sea Duck said:
Based on available details? Nope. As a supporter of liberty and free enterprise, I don't have a problem with private citizens utilizing those things to get ahead in the world. And, as an opponent of this country's oppressive tax system, I support anyone's effort to pay the absolute bare minimum of taxes that is legally required.
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just chuckling at this.   so trump wasn't your guy?    did you need his tax returns?
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I don't need Trump's tax returns.

It's really, really weird that you keep making assumptions about other posters.

 
kodycutter said:
Thank you,   Is Swalwell and Hunter an issue for you?   Or should we just move on?
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With the information we have, it appears Swalwell handled the matter correctly, or am I missing something?  He is my representative, so this is a story I'm definitely going to pay attention to.

As for Hunter, I haven't voted from him in any election nor do I intend to.  If he broke the law, I hope the matter is handled the same as others who acted similarly.  

 
Mr. Ham said:
Anyone who parrots Trumps claim that the Russia investigation was a “hoax” is not educated into the facts of the investigation itself, and what it uncovered. Just as anyone who claims Trump “won by a lot” isn’t educated in the election process in America.

You’re really better off not trusting Trump. He lies. By a lot.
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yes, you are so much more educated than folks who don't agree with you.    

 
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Mr. Ham said:
You and the other guy both constructed straw men. I’d didn’t call anyone dumb, and I didn’t call myself smart. What I said is more precise. If you call the Russia investigation a hoax, then you apparently aren’t aware of the facts. Which means you aren’t educated in them. 
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russia is not and was not problem,  quote me in 10 years if i'm still alive,    china is the problem.   trust me, and you shouldn't bc this is all anonymous, but china is the problem.

 
Mr. Ham said:
China is a massive problem. We agree. While we’ve been bickering, they’ve been investing trillions in global trade and technology, including military. But the billions spent by Russian oligarchs on corrupting world politicians, banking, and business leaders has done its job, including here.
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You bet it has. Just ask Hunter Biden, his dad And the rest of the Biden crime family.  :shrug:

 
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