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TRUMP TO INFINITY AND BEYOND HQ - The Great and Positive Place (5 Viewers)

Sinn Fein said:
In the 4 years since Trump has been elected President, the GOP has lost control of the House, the White House, and now the Senate.

Whether you like Trump, or not, its hard to argue against the notion that his presence has been toxic - on both an individual level, but also on an institutional level.

I think the GOP has to figure out how to capture the enthusiasm that Trump generated amongst his base, without all of the negativity associated with that.  At this point, I don't know how much of the problem was message, or messenger.  

From a "popular" standpoint, left-leaning policies have more broad-based support today, than most (but certainly not all) of Trump's policies.  But, again, I think the GOP could be more persuasive to a broader group of people if/when they change messengers.  One of the challenges will be how to move on from Trump-style politics, and how the GOP can keep his base engaged while also expanding the audience.
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I like the GA republicans.  I mean, being in their shoes against their base must have been hard.  But they did the right thing.  I like the courage.  Ill vote for them.  Unless its Kemp, I dont like Kemp ;)

 
JAA said:
I like the GA republicans.  I mean, being in their shoes against their base must have been hard.  But they did the right thing.  I like the courage.  Ill vote for them.  Unless its Kemp, I dont like Kemp ;)
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Yeah watching the Sec State spokesman, I think they are taking the right approach to moving forward, and putting Trumpism in the rearview mirror.

Kemp though, I think, will have a difficult political future.  He will get squeezed by the Dems who think he stole the election for Governor, and by the Trump Party for thinking he stole the presidential election.

 
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gianmarco said:
I still can't even understand holding a rally.

He lost the election, his party lost the Senate yesterday, he's leaving office in 2 weeks, there's a pandemic, but he's holding a rally?

Just so out of touch.
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He's not publicly admitting that yet nor are a shrinking and shrinking % of his base.

 
gianmarco said:
So? He doesn't have to admit it for it to be reality. Again, just out of touch. 
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He's not out of touch with his base, who he's holding the rally for.  That's my point.  It's a big ego trip for him and he's pandering to his base.  If he was holding a rally and no one showed up, it would show he's out of touch.  But his base is there, and he's hoping that Pence does some crazy stuff.

 
gianmarco said:
I still can't even understand holding a rally.

He lost the election, his party lost the Senate yesterday, he's leaving office in 2 weeks, there's a pandemic, but he's holding a rally?

Just so out of touch.
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I believe Don Jr said something to the effect that you are with them or you are the other side.

Trump folks vs Everyone else.

 
I'm just following along on twitter so maybe I'm missing some context - but this seems incredibly irresponsible. You basically have a sitting President trying to incite a rebellion against the newly elected government.

i.e. - Trump says the United States does not have free and fair elections nor does it have a free and fair press.

Trump describes the counting of votes as "explosions of bull####."

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Also - Mike Pence must be super happy right now.

 
MAC_32 said:
Why are any of you tuning into this nonsense? If we want it to stop then our attention must go somewhere else.
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To be clear, I'm not watching or care about his rally.  I'm of the exact same mindset as here.  As I mentioned a couple months ago, I was looking forward to tuning out from politics and it's been great to not watch or follow very much.  Yesterday was obviously different and I do have some interest to see the spectacle that takes place shortly in the certification.  And then it's back to blissful ignorance. 

The worst thing that could happen to Trump is irrelevance.  I will be doing my part in contributing to that.

 
whoknew said:
I'm just following along on twitter so maybe I'm missing some context - but this seems incredibly irresponsible. You basically have a sitting President trying to incite a rebellion against the newly elected government.

i.e. - Trump says the United States does not have free and fair elections nor does it have a free and fair press.

Trump describes the counting of votes as "explosions of bull####."

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Also - Mike Pence must be super happy right now.
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Yep, just vile stuff and completely on-brand.  Imagine showing this video to yourself in January 2017.  I've said it before; I really think he's going to get people killed.

 
urbanhack said:
Doug B said:
I don't know if other Gen Xers recall this experience, but:

When I was in college (early 1990s), there was a popular book being passed around about how to dress for success in the business world. That book was HUGE on wearing a red tie, calling it the "power tie". Anyway, guys going on internship interviews, or graduating seniors going on job interviews, etc. commonly consulted this book and followed its suggestions.
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I was in the golf business at the time. At every trade show or event, 90% of the dudes had khakis, blue shirt, blue blazer and red tie.
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Don't you worry about Planet Express. Let me worry about blank.

 
gianmarco said:
I still can't even understand holding a rally.

He lost the election, his party lost the Senate yesterday, he's leaving office in 2 weeks, there's a pandemic, but he's holding a rally?

Just so out of touch.
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Does he charge admission for these rallies?  If so, I think you have your answer.....

 
In three years, Trump will be holding rallies at Tribal Casinos in small towns where he'll have a full line-up of has-been surrogates open up for him.  $150 to see Roger Stone, Kelly Anne, Kaylieahghigh, one of his children and then the Donald, descending down from a set of casino escalators moving from the smoking Keno lounge down to the main floor where they have an Off-Track Betting room and free soda drink refill stations. 

 
Just popping in to see if the Trump guys are  cool with his supporters crossing barricades and storming of the grounds of the Capitol?

 
Where is the tear gas?

Now we are worried about excessive force?  On the streets we gas people, on the steps of the Capital building its we don't want to hurt anyone. 

 
GoBirds said:
Can you imagine what it would be like if Trump would have won?

But peaceful protests are now a trigger while previously violent protests were excused as “peaceful “....it gets too hard to keep up. 
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Wait - storming the capitol building and breaking windows is “peaceful?”

 
Mr. Ham said:
So no?

This is one of the worst moments in our nation’s history. Let’s be clear. Any sense that Trumpism had to be appeased ended today, with this sedition, with this fantasy gone awry. Trumpism must be eradicated like Nazism, like any malignant autocracy. 

Anyone involved or supportive of this sedition should never own or wave an American flag again. 
 
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/10/04/politics/kavanaugh-protests-us-capitol/index.html
 

I’ll get back to you, I’m searching for where you condemned it previously. 

Hypocrisy kills credibility, want to make sure that’s not the case. 

 
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Mr. Ham said:
Gallagher on MSNBC and saying the words every Republican should—including winning elections isn’t worth the damage being done by Trumpists to our country, embodied by the damage done to the chambers.
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But it worked for the Democrats didn't it?

 
Mr. Ham said:
The images of protestors defining House and Senate chambers will haunt us forever. Never forget it was based on pure fantasy and lies, and fanned by the President so he could illegally hold on to power against the will of the American voters and the Constitution. He turned on his own Vice President and endangered his life (some protestors had bombs) for not waging a coup. So he encouraged his protestors to wage it instead. And that’s where we are.

Homeland Security in full riot gear was lining the Capitol for Black Lives Matter protests. But the Capitol was left vulnerable even as Trump fanned these flames there.

You can maintain the charade and pretend there is any parity with what any group in our history has done, or you can repudiate.

I believe I know your choice. It will define you as it will Trump’s sedition caucus.
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Oh, so you didn’t condemn it before? That’s too bad, very hypocritical. 
 

Save the false equivalency excuses, let’s move on and please don’t quote me anymore. 

 
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Mr. Ham said:
Putting you on ignore.

Just imagine if Hillary (whom I very much did not support) had pulled this and a black guy was photographed walking away with the Senate podium, or with feet on Paul Ryan’s desk. You can’t. 

There is nothing great about Trump and today solidified it. This is a dark moment.
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Again, please stop quoting me. 

 
It is embarrassing that Trump has yet to say anything public besides on twitter, this is the United States of America's Commander in Chief and he is noticeably absent. I would like to give him the benefit of the doubt that he is in the war room being briefed and giving orders but too much time has past at this point to use that excuse. 

 
CGRdrJoe said:
It is embarrassing that Trump has yet to say anything public besides on twitter, this is the United States of America's Commander in Chief and he is noticeably absent. I would like to give him the benefit of the doubt that he is in the war room being briefed and giving orders but too much time has past at this point to use that excuse. 
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I just heard a clip where he told everyone to go home and be peaceful?

 
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