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I don’t really have any other place to discuss this, but I can’t imagine it will be received well here. Sorry.

I have to believe the last few days are a microcosm of DJT the businessman. For those who have read and followed his business career what has transpired since the election aligns with how he approaches his business. 

The easiest parallel is Atlantic City. DJT feels AC is the best business opportunity. Regardless of advice from his father and others he gets into it. Once he starts and things aren’t looking all that great he doubles down and buys more casinos. Once that is not doing so well he rallies more and more people and borrows more not only from his Dad but from banks.  It looks bleak but no one can talk about it. Does DJT pivot or adjust?  No, he keeps banging his head against a brick wall telling everyone it will break.  When the dust settles, DJT loses everything in AC but still thinks it was great and the best business adventure and it didn’t work because it was everyone else’s fault.

I imagine Wednesday went a lot like that. He told everyone what a great idea this was. I’m confident a number of folks cautioned him and advised against it. I’m speculating he then doubled down to prove a point.  I again speculating but I truly believe DJT thought everything was fine all the way up to the moment when his cabinet started resigning. He probably still doesn’t understand why they did, why they aren’t supporting him in his time of need.

Im not sure we will ever know how someone convinced him to make the not-concession concession speech, but something did. It was clear he didn’t want to do it. I also can’t think of any other time in his life where he backed down like he did there. 

Sorry this post comes off inflammatory.  I find DJT an interesting personality. I find him interesting because I can’t relate to him at all. I truly have no concept on how or why he approaches things the way he does.  In order for me to grow I need to learn how to relate to all kinds of people including personalities like DJT. 

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14 minutes ago, JAA said:

I don’t really have any other place to discuss this, but I can’t imagine it will be received well here. Sorry.

I have to believe the last few days are a microcosm of DJT the businessman. For those who have read and followed his business career what has transpired since the election aligns with how he approaches his business. 

The easiest parallel is Atlantic City. DJT feels AC is the best business opportunity. Regardless of advice from his father and others he gets into it. Once he starts and things aren’t looking all that great he doubles down and buys more casinos. Once that is not doing so well he rallies more and more people and borrows more not only from his Dad but from banks.  It looks bleak but no one can talk about it. Does DJT pivot or adjust?  No, he keeps banging his head against a brick wall telling everyone it will break.  When the dust settles, DJT loses everything in AC but still thinks it was great and the best business adventure and it didn’t work because it was everyone else’s fault.

I imagine Wednesday went a lot like that. He told everyone what a great idea this was. I’m confident a number of folks cautioned him and advised against it. I’m speculating he then doubled down to prove a point.  I again speculating but I truly believe DJT thought everything was fine all the way up to the moment when his cabinet started resigning. He probably still doesn’t understand why they did, why they aren’t supporting him in his time of need.

Im not sure we will ever know how someone convinced him to make the not-concession concession speech, but something did. It was clear he didn’t want to do it. I also can’t think of any other time in his life where he backed down like he did there. 

Sorry this post comes off inflammatory.  I find DJT an interesting personality. I find him interesting because I can’t relate to him at all. I truly have no concept on how or why he approaches things the way he does.  In order for me to grow I need to learn how to relate to all kinds of people including personalities like DJT. 

Awesome. :lmao:

 

Pretty sure no one was unsure on where you stood and doubt you are sorry. More of the same. :deadhorse:

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37 minutes ago, JAA said:

I don’t really have any other place to discuss this, but I can’t imagine it will be received well here. Sorry.

I have to believe the last few days are a microcosm of DJT the businessman. For those who have read and followed his business career what has transpired since the election aligns with how he approaches his business. 

The easiest parallel is Atlantic City. DJT feels AC is the best business opportunity. Regardless of advice from his father and others he gets into it. Once he starts and things aren’t looking all that great he doubles down and buys more casinos. Once that is not doing so well he rallies more and more people and borrows more not only from his Dad but from banks.  It looks bleak but no one can talk about it. Does DJT pivot or adjust?  No, he keeps banging his head against a brick wall telling everyone it will break.  When the dust settles, DJT loses everything in AC but still thinks it was great and the best business adventure and it didn’t work because it was everyone else’s fault.

I imagine Wednesday went a lot like that. He told everyone what a great idea this was. I’m confident a number of folks cautioned him and advised against it. I’m speculating he then doubled down to prove a point.  I again speculating but I truly believe DJT thought everything was fine all the way up to the moment when his cabinet started resigning. He probably still doesn’t understand why they did, why they aren’t supporting him in his time of need.

Im not sure we will ever know how someone convinced him to make the not-concession concession speech, but something did. It was clear he didn’t want to do it. I also can’t think of any other time in his life where he backed down like he did there. 

Sorry this post comes off inflammatory.  I find DJT an interesting personality. I find him interesting because I can’t relate to him at all. I truly have no concept on how or why he approaches things the way he does.  In order for me to grow I need to learn how to relate to all kinds of people including personalities like DJT. 

Seems obsessive. 

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8 hours ago, Encyclopedia Brown said:

Trump gave a heads up to Tucker Carlson about what he was going to tweet under the POTUS username, and Tucker read out what Trump had written--and the tweet was deleted before Tucker had finished the paragraph.

Gold, Jerry. Gold. 

What was the last tweet he wrote anyway?

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12 hours ago, Stompin' Tom Connors said:

Seems to be a surprising number of people mixing up governments with First Amendment obligations and private entities with terms of service that have absolutely zero obligation to those who have accepted said TOS.

Yet they think they’re defending the constitution. Lol. 

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4 minutes ago, timschochet said:

While the Capitol building was being stormed, while President Trump was resisting calling in the National Guard, he was calling senators to ask them to object to the electoral count. At the exact same time: 

https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/08/politics/mike-lee-tommy-tuberville-trump-misdialed-capitol-riot/index.html

Surprised you aren’t saying he actually did a good job here or doesn’t really deserve any blame tim. You’ve given him a pass for everything else. 

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6 hours ago, GoBirds said:

I thought Biden was the choice because he was going to bring the country together? He’s failing miserably so far. Just as divisive as Obama was. 

Biden looking like Gandhi so far in comparison to past 4 years :lol:

 

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5 minutes ago, The General said:

Biden looking like Gandhi so far in comparison to past 4 years :lol:

I am not saying this is a like-for-like comparison - but when you play Civilization VI, Ghandi has a propensity to nuke other civilizations :oldunsure:

 

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1 minute ago, Sinn Fein said:

I am not saying this is a like-for-like comparison - but when you play Civilization VI, Ghandi has a propensity to nuke other civilizations :oldunsure:

Hangry?

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14 minutes ago, The General said:

Biden looking like Gandhi so far in comparison to past 4 years :lol:

 

More like an older, white, out of touch with reality version of Obama. So predictable. 

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19 minutes ago, The General said:

What would you have liked him to say so far?

 

It doesn’t really matter to me, he is what I knew he was going into the election. 

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I'm catching a revered constitutional scholar and two term President bad/old man bad vibe in here.

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updated Obama's description so as not to offend
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Sorry for any offense. Just riffing on the tired and overplayed orange man bad routine. I fixed it.

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2 hours ago, Capella said:

Surprised you aren’t saying he actually did a good job here or doesn’t really deserve any blame tim. You’ve given him a pass for everything else. 

I haven’t given him a pass at all. I try to be fair. 

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45 minutes ago, timschochet said:

I haven’t given him a pass at all. I try to be fair. 

You literally gave him a pass for Wednesday in another thread either yesterday or today. 

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Earnest and serious question for people who have supported Trump through his administration:

Given the entire last 4 years, taken all that we've seen happen through those 4 years, what Trump has achieved/not achieved, tangible results or non-results against policies and actions, the impact of what he's said/done (and not said/done), etc., given where America was when he took office versus where it stands at this moment (domestically, internationally, economically, etc.) -- basically taking the totality of Trump's term :

Do you still stand behind and support Trump at this moment in time? If so, why? If not, why?

Do you believe he made America great? If so, why? If not, why?

This isn't a question about the Republican party or platform. This is solely about Trump himself as the president of the US and leader of the Republican party.

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1 hour ago, Capella said:

You literally gave him a pass for Wednesday in another thread either yesterday or today. 

And said he didn’t think what happened at the Capitol amounted to sedition/insurrection, notwithstanding they were chanting to hang the Vice President of the United States and we’re looking to kidnap or take people hostage. 

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9 hours ago, GoBirds said:

You should be good for awhile, the Dems are in control and if they ever made an ethical decision that was detrimental to them it would be a first. Check back at mid terms for more tips. 

I was trying to ask an honest question of you as I believe you are an astute investor.  Not sure why you chose to dodge it.  I was sincerely curious how you view these stocks given your belief that this won't end well for them.  

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4 hours ago, Sinn Fein said:

I am not saying this is a like-for-like comparison - but when you play Civilization VI, Ghandi has a propensity to nuke other civilizations :oldunsure:

 

That’s a tribute to a bug in the original game

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In the original Civilization, it was because of a bug. Each leader in the game had an “aggression” rating, and Gandhi - to best reflect his real-world persona - was given the lowest score possible, a 1, so low that he’d rarely if ever go out of his way to declare war on someone.

Only, there was a problem. When a player adopted democracy in Civilization, their aggression would be automatically reduced by 2. Code being code, if Gandhi went democratic his aggression wouldn’t go to -1, it looped back around to the ludicrously high figure of 255, making him as aggressive as a civilization could possibly be.

 

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Peter Baker @peterbakernyt · 46m

Driving around DC today, it's striking how flags on federal buildings controlled by the president are not at half staff, unlike the ones at the Capitol which were lowered in honor of the police officer killed in this week's mob attack.

 

How do you make this kind of PR faux pas?  Surely someone in the White House has the sense to fix this.

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5 minutes ago, Sinn Fein said:

Peter Baker @peterbakernyt · 46m

Driving around DC today, it's striking how flags on federal buildings controlled by the president are not at half staff, unlike the ones at the Capitol which were lowered in honor of the police officer killed in this week's mob attack.

 

How do you make this kind of PR faux pas?  Surely someone in the White House has the sense to fix this.

Yeah.  Surely.  Must be an oversight.

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3 minutes ago, Sinn Fein said:

Peter Baker @peterbakernyt · 46m

Driving around DC today, it's striking how flags on federal buildings controlled by the president are not at half staff, unlike the ones at the Capitol which were lowered in honor of the police officer killed in this week's mob attack.

 

How do you make this kind of PR faux pas?  Surely someone in the White House has the sense to fix this.

I'm not going to jump to conclusions without knowing the official protocol for lowering flags to half-staff.

I will say this, though: I'm honestly a little shocked that Trump supporters have been relatively quiet about the police officer's death and Trump's lack of response to it.

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10 minutes ago, Sea Duck said:

I'm not going to jump to conclusions without knowing the official protocol for lowering flags to half-staff.

I will say this, though: I'm honestly a little shocked that Trump supporters have been relatively quiet about the police officer's death and Trump's lack of response to it.

There's no real love for LE from the Fringe Right.  They've historically viewed LE with contempt.  

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1 hour ago, zoonation said:

And said he didn’t think what happened at the Capitol amounted to sedition/insurrection, notwithstanding they were chanting to hang the Vice President of the United States and we’re looking to kidnap or take people hostage. 

No this is not quite correct: 

1. With regard to what happened at the Capitol I wrote that I wasn’t sure it was insurrection. I wasn’t aware when I wrote that of the chants to hang the VP or several other things I’ve learned since. I am sure now; it was insurrection.

2. With regard to Trump I wrote that I wasn’t sure that he attempted to incite the crowd towards violence. That is still the case (I am still unsure) though I lean toward the notion that he did. What causes my uncertainty is that, during his speech, Trump exhorted the crowd to engage in a “peaceful” protest; he used that word. But he also said some things that made me think he is guilty. 

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1 hour ago, Thunderlips said:

There's no real love for LE from the Fringe Right.  They've historically viewed LE with contempt.  

Yup.  My cousin is leader of a FL biker gang.  He’s hard core “Q” all the way.  Loves Trump.  Hates cops.  His FB page and his wife’s make that very clear.  Their biker friends are in the same camp.

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2 hours ago, General Malaise said:

I was trying to ask an honest question of you as I believe you are an astute investor.  Not sure why you chose to dodge it.  I was sincerely curious how you view these stocks given your belief that this won't end well for them.  

Yeah, I told you. 

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20 minutes ago, Alex P Keaton said:

Yup.  My cousin is leader of a FL biker gang.  He’s hard core “Q” all the way.  Loves Trump.  Hates cops.  His FB page and his wife’s make that very clear.  Their biker friends are in the same camp.

They’re called clubs not gangs, HTH

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3 hours ago, Sinn Fein said:

Peter Baker @peterbakernyt · 46m

Driving around DC today, it's striking how flags on federal buildings controlled by the president are not at half staff, unlike the ones at the Capitol which were lowered in honor of the police officer killed in this week's mob attack.

 

How do you make this kind of PR faux pas?  Surely someone in the White House has the sense to fix this.

Anyone doing any type of work there has quit or is completely checked out. It would be very, very strange to be around the WH next week and a half.

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3 hours ago, Sinn Fein said:

Peter Baker @peterbakernyt · 46m

Driving around DC today, it's striking how flags on federal buildings controlled by the president are not at half staff, unlike the ones at the Capitol which were lowered in honor of the police officer killed in this week's mob attack.

 

How do you make this kind of PR faux pas?  Surely someone in the White House has the sense to fix this.

 

Direct Headline: CNN did not mention on-air David Dorn, retired St. Louis police captain killed by looters

By Brian Flood, Joseph Wulfsohn | Fox News June 3 2020

https://www.foxnews.com/media/cnn-david-dorn-retired-police-captain-killed-st-louis

 

Direct Headline: Retired black officer David Dorn killed by looters in St. Louis, police say

Dorn, 77, was "murdered last night by a looter," while guarding a pawn shop, city officials told reporters, adding that surveillance tools would be used to identify the criminals.  

Adela Suliman 220d ago / 3:02 PM UTC

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/live-blog/2020-06-03-george-floyd-protests-n1223081/ncrd1223311#blogHeader

 

Direct Headline: Democrats desperately push the 'peaceful protesters' delusion

Washington, D.C., Mayor Muriel Bowser waxed poetic about how she rewarded the “protesters” by creating “Black Lives Matter Plaza” in front of the White House, with no mention of the widespread violence...

By Bernard Kerik, 08/21/20 05:00 PM EDT

https://thehill.com/opinion/criminal-justice/513063-democrats-desperately-push-the-peaceful-protesters-delusion

 

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Retired Police Captain David Dorn gave 38 years of service to his community. But since he was black, elderly, a former police officer and that he died at the hands of looters while trying to help protect small businesses in his community, he didn't fit the "narrative" that BLM and the left leaning MSM wanted. So they pretended he did not exist. They also pretended the THIRTY EIGHT YEARS he gave where he risked his life night after night, case after case, call for service after call for service to serve the greater good of all, did not exist either.

If you want to say a Capitol Police Officer tragically gave their life in the line of duty and the media spin narrative of the Trump Administration is going to ignore it for political reasons, I won't argue with you. It's political and media strategy at the expense of actual human beings.

But the left leaning indignation, with it's clenched limp wristed shrieks for vengeance because Twitter said so,  doesn't fly here. The left doesn't get to grab this with both hands and claim moral superiority. 

Sinn Fein, if we all look into your posting history, back in early June of 2020, will we find your outrage at the silence around the death of David Dorn as well?

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3 hours ago, Sea Duck said:

I'm not going to jump to conclusions without knowing the official protocol for lowering flags to half-staff.

I will say this, though: I'm honestly a little shocked that Trump supporters have been relatively quiet about the police officer's death and Trump's lack of response to it.

Shocked that Trump doesn’t have any decency?  That shipped sailed long ago, it’s always been about projecting the specter of decency without actually being decent.

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Here we go.,,, media says the riot was probably a super spreader event.  :lmao:

Something they failed to mention all through the summer of love riots. 

Can we just be done with this stupid Covid fear fest once Sleepy and Dumpy are sworn in?  

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