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12 minutes ago, dawgtrails said:

I think all this talk of running again for president or starting a media empire is a bunch of malarkey.

I think he makes some noise the nest year or so but then starts to get tuned out by most people as they tire of his shtick. Then soon after, he fades away from everyday conversations like most ex-presidents

I agree. Millions of people, sadly, were fooled by the Q nonsense.  I expect a large percentage of them aren't willing to be made a fool again. 

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22 minutes ago, dawgtrails said:

I think all this talk of running again for president or starting a media empire is a bunch of malarkey.

I think he makes some noise the nest year or so but then starts to get tuned out by most people as they tire of his shtick. Then soon after, he fades away from everyday conversations like most ex-presidents

100%.  He's done.  The further we move away from his presidency, the more it will be looked back on with horror.

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2 hours ago, Ramblin Wreck said:

Trump isn't even the President and they can't stay out of this thread.  Totally obsessed.

He’s dominated so much space in so many peoples heads for this long, I doubt some can stop. I hope they can move on, it doesn’t seem healthy. 

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9 hours ago, glvsav37 said:

How are we any worse than Canada or Germany? I have friends in Canada and they are suffering terribly right now with being locked down right now. 

While I dont agree with everything the president has done, one thing people tend to forget (IMO) is that unlike other counties, we are a nation of states. And those states had just as much power, if not more, to dictate their response to this pandemic. Then add to that the blatantly obvious pissing match between republican and democratic governors, and in turn the democratic governors vs the president, there is no way any plan pandemic would have been effective. 

IDK where you live but here in NY we have been bombarded with daily hissy fits directed at the white house by Gov Cuomo. Not a day goes by where he is not on TV cursing the feds for "not providing this..." or "denying that.." But why is it the fed's problem that the state was basically bankrupt before this and couldn't afford to or didn't have enough ventilators, to which the Fed bought them for NY. They also sent the USS Comfort and set up triage tents in Central park that went unused and the ship sent home after seeing only a handful of patients. For months we have been stuck between what seems like divorced parents who both are clearly only looking to outdo each other and DGAF about  what happens to the kids. 

Of the things you list in your original post, most of that I trace back to local control. you are taking pay cuts??.....most business here are still closed at the order of the Governor (not the President) and will/may never open again, while other states are allowing full or partial return to business. The schools are state run and controlled, not federal. Whatever regulations or funding you have are state orchestrated. I'm assuming you are a teacher or in education in some capacity, so IDK how the fed response dictates whatever it is your school is doing. Look around at other states and see who is doing or not doing. 

IMO if you want to blame anyone for your perceived lack of response, it starts locally. I am not absolving Trump of any blame, I think he should have indeed had a stronger message overall, if not to error on the side of caution. But anything that directly effects my day-to-day life is based on my states gov't 

I work at a private school so parents need to choose to send their kids here and pay a lot of money to do it. Many schools like ours are facing an existential crisis. We have done a good enough job that our school will survive but salaries are at risk.

Canada has seen 19,000 Covid cases per million people. Worldwide the number is 12,000 cases per million people. The US statistic is 74,000 cases per million. One can argue that we are more tightly packed here than in Canada (or on average throughout the world) but a 6-fold multiple of US cases versus Worldwide cases? A chunk of that is tied directly to failures at all levels of government. It's up to each person to decide how much of that lands at the feet of the Feds or on Trump.

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9 hours ago, glvsav37 said:

How are we any worse than Canada or Germany? I have friends in Canada and they are suffering terribly right now with being locked down right now. 

While I dont agree with everything the president has done, one thing people tend to forget (IMO) is that unlike other counties, we are a nation of states. And those states had just as much power, if not more, to dictate their response to this pandemic. Then add to that the blatantly obvious pissing match between republican and democratic governors, and in turn the democratic governors vs the president, there is no way any plan pandemic would have been effective. 

IDK where you live but here in NY we have been bombarded with daily hissy fits directed at the white house by Gov Cuomo. Not a day goes by where he is not on TV cursing the feds for "not providing this..." or "denying that.." But why is it the fed's problem that the state was basically bankrupt before this and couldn't afford to or didn't have enough ventilators, to which the Fed bought them for NY. They also sent the USS Comfort and set up triage tents in Central park that went unused and the ship sent home after seeing only a handful of patients. For months we have been stuck between what seems like divorced parents who both are clearly only looking to outdo each other and DGAF about  what happens to the kids. 

Of the things you list in your original post, most of that I trace back to local control. you are taking pay cuts??.....most business here are still closed at the order of the Governor (not the President) and will/may never open again, while other states are allowing full or partial return to business. The schools are state run and controlled, not federal. Whatever regulations or funding you have are state orchestrated. I'm assuming you are a teacher or in education in some capacity, so IDK how the fed response dictates whatever it is your school is doing. Look around at other states and see who is doing or not doing. 

IMO if you want to blame anyone for your perceived lack of response, it starts locally. I am not absolving Trump of any blame, I think he should have indeed had a stronger message overall, if not to error on the side of caution. But anything that directly effects my day-to-day life is based on my states gov't 

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9 minutes ago, Redwes25 said:

I have no problem with this.  Like them or not they are targets at this point and think they should be protected by our government.  

This may be the biggest understatement as well. Anyone whining about protecting them doesn’t really make sense after watching the last 4 years, can you imagine what they have ahead of them from the angry Left?

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23 minutes ago, Redwes25 said:

I have no problem with this.  Like them or not they are targets at this point and think they should be protected by our government.  

Most of it, neither do I.  But this part is a bit much...

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A president opting to extend Secret Service protection isn’t unheard of, but Trump’s reported decision to cover 13 family members goes far beyond what has been done before. Trump’s three predecessors—Barack Obama, George W. Bush and Bill Clinton—extended protection for their daughters after leaving office.

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In addition to the numerous trips the Trumps take (12 times that of the Obamas during the first three years of Trump’s term, according to a 2020 watchdog report), other out of the ordinary expenses for the Secret Service have come while protecting the Trumps. According to The Washington Post, the Secret Service rented a studio for $3,000 a month near Ivanka Trump and Kushner’s Washington home to give agents access to a bathroom, given they were not allowed to relieve themselves in any of the home’s half-dozen bathrooms.

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33 minutes ago, gianmarco said:

Most of it, neither do I.  But this part is a bit much...

Surprising Fact

A president opting to extend Secret Service protection isn’t unheard of, but Trump’s reported decision to cover 13 family members goes far beyond what has been done before. Trump’s three predecessors—Barack Obama, George W. Bush and Bill Clinton—extended protection for their daughters after leaving office.

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In addition to the numerous trips the Trumps take (12 times that of the Obamas during the first three years of Trump’s term, according to a 2020 watchdog report), other out of the ordinary expenses for the Secret Service have come while protecting the Trumps. According to The Washington Post, the Secret Service rented a studio for $3,000 a month near Ivanka Trump and Kushner’s Washington home to give agents access to a bathroom, given they were not allowed to relieve themselves in any of the home’s half-dozen bathrooms.

Yeah the Ivanka thing is absurd and I had read that before. The family is clearly a bunch of #######s. However still no issues protecting the full group of them. He has a lot of descendants - Obama and Bush each only had two daughters when they left office. You can’t really compare the two fact patterns. 

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50 minutes ago, GoBirds said:

This may be the biggest understatement as well. Anyone whining about protecting them doesn’t really make sense after watching the last 4 years, can you imagine what they have ahead of them from the angry Left?

Probably a better chance of it coming from a Q-Anon, or white supremacist type who feels betrayed.  The angry left is more dangerous to property, but the angry right seems more likely to cause violence to a person.  

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17 minutes ago, Chaz McNulty said:

Probably a better chance of it coming from a Q-Anon, or white supremacist type who feels betrayed.  The angry left is more dangerous to property, but the angry right seems more likely to cause violence to a person.  

Ask Steve Scalise

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49 minutes ago, Redwes25 said:

Yeah the Ivanka thing is absurd and I had read that before. The family is clearly a bunch of #######s. However still no issues protecting the full group of them. He has a lot of descendants - Obama and Bush each only had two daughters when they left office. You can’t really compare the two fact patterns. 

The job of your secret service detail is to keep you safe and give their lives to do so if necessary, but they’re not allowed to use even one of the six restrooms in your house. Pretty despicable.

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15 hours ago, GoBirds said:

Man I really do enjoy how hard you work to protect your one sided narrative. You’ve defended conspiracies the past four years but now are against them....so weird. :lmao:

What conspiracy have I defended exactly?

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I gotta say....I'm a little disappointed in how Trump's last couple of days unfolded. Where was the confidence, the arrogance, the trolling of the libs? I was hoping for a few more jabs at the left, something, anything. It would have been so great if he had pardoned his kids and himself, while also kicking off his 2024 election campaign! That would have been the perfect final middle finger to the establishment, IMO. Instead, he kind of went out with a low-energy whimper. I think that's a sign that he's not going to run in 2024.

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10 hours ago, The Dude said:

Moderates on both sides need to join together and squash the fringes.  I am sure the platform can be acceptable to both.

Doubtful in the short term - some of the issues these groups currently disagree on are very divisive, like abortion.  I think what the rest of us would call moderates on both sides would makeup a majority party of those 3 but that issue alone would make people not join up.

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9 hours ago, AAABatteries said:

Doubtful in the short term - some of the issues these groups currently disagree on are very divisive, like abortion.  I think what the rest of us would call moderates on both sides would makeup a majority party of those 3 but that issue alone would make people not join up.

Good point - but would they compromise on that point to keep a moderate platform in control.

I have no idea what that compromise looks like.

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17 minutes ago, squistion said:

She will make a fantastic Governor.  

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8 minutes ago, knowledge dropper said:

She will make a fantastic Governor.  

What makes you think this?  This is a serious question.  What characteristics has she shown that she would be able to lead a state?  What qualities of a good leader does she have?  What experience at that executive level does she have?

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2 minutes ago, sho nuff said:

What makes you think this?  This is a serious question.  What characteristics has she shown that she would be able to lead a state?  What qualities of a good leader does she have?  What experience at that executive level does she have?

She sat at the right hand of Father Trump for a long time.  That’s enough and far more executive level experience than Obama had.  

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11 minutes ago, knowledge dropper said:

She sat at the right hand of Father Trump for a long time.  That’s enough and far more executive level experience than Obama had.  

Sorry...I thought I stated it was a serious question...my bad for thinking it would get a serious answer and not more blasphemy as well as the bolded being just completely false based on Obama's actual experience prior to being POTUS.  In addition...my question had nothing to do with Obama.

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And a serious note...has anyone heard from @Max Power  

Is this a moderated thing...or did something happen to him?  He has not posted since the 5th and had talked about going to the rally in DC.  Hoping he didn't get caught up in stuff there.

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1 minute ago, sho nuff said:

And a serious note...has anyone heard from @Max Power  

Is this a moderated thing...or did something happen to him?  He has not posted since the 5th and had talked about going to the rally in DC.  Hoping he didn't get caught up in stuff there.

I’ve been wondering the same thing.

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13 minutes ago, sho nuff said:

Sorry...I thought I stated it was a serious question...my bad for thinking it would get a serious answer and not more blasphemy as well as the bolded being just completely false based on Obama's actual experience prior to being POTUS.  In addition...my question had nothing to do with Obama.

I gave you an example of someone with no executive experience that became President.  Her White House experience should serve her well as Governor of a small state.  
 

Sarah Sanders is a tough, intelligent and accomplished woman.  Let the people of Arkansas decide.  I just think she has a bright future.  This would be a great stepping stone.  

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5 minutes ago, sho nuff said:

And a serious note...has anyone heard from @Max Power  

Is this a moderated thing...or did something happen to him?  He has not posted since the 5th and had talked about going to the rally in DC.  Hoping he didn't get caught up in stuff there.

I believe he has visited the site but not posted.  

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1 minute ago, knowledge dropper said:

I gave you an example of someone with no executive experience that became President.  Her White House experience should serve her well as Governor of a small state.  
 

Sarah Sanders is a tough, intelligent and accomplished woman.  Let the people of Arkansas decide.  I just think she has a bright future.  This would be a great stepping stone.  

Except you randomly brought up a dig...and if you wanted someone with no government executive experience...you should have listed Trump.  Obama was far more experienced for POTUS than him...and seems more experienced for that than Sanders is for a Governor.  Being Press Secretary is not executive experience...it isn't on par with Obama's experience prior to running for POTUS.  Let's be real here.

I agree she is tough...probably intelligent...I won't debate that.  Her playing fast and loose with the truth is a big problem...what has she ever run?  Sure...let them decide.  I hope for their sake they decide she is not Governor material.  I don't think Governor should be a first step as a stepping stone.  Glad she is not running in this state.

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41 minutes ago, sho nuff said:

What makes you think this?  This is a serious question.  What characteristics has she shown that she would be able to lead a state?  What qualities of a good leader does she have?  What experience at that executive level does she have?

Hilarious that you realize you have to preface it.  Still not buying it though

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12 minutes ago, sho nuff said:

And a serious note...has anyone heard from @Max Power  

Is this a moderated thing...or did something happen to him?  He has not posted since the 5th and had talked about going to the rally in DC.  Hoping he didn't get caught up in stuff there.

@FBG Moderator - Is this a question you are willing to answer?  Is this poster currently on a time-out?  I too have been a little worried that the poster hasn't returned since the events of Jan 6.

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4 minutes ago, sho nuff said:

Except you randomly brought up a dig...and if you wanted someone with no government executive experience...you should have listed Trump.  Obama was far more experienced for POTUS than him...and seems more experienced for that than Sanders is for a Governor.  Being Press Secretary is not executive experience...it isn't on par with Obama's experience prior to running for POTUS.  Let's be real here.

I agree she is tough...probably intelligent...I won't debate that.  Her playing fast and loose with the truth is a big problem...what has she ever run?  Sure...let them decide.  I hope for their sake they decide she is not Governor material.  I don't think Governor should be a first step as a stepping stone.  Glad she is not running in this state.

True dat. :lol:

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Just now, knowledge dropper said:

Trump has more executive level experience than any President ever to have held office.  

What do you base that on...the amount of time he spent playing golf or watching TV?

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24 minutes ago, squistion said:
27 minutes ago, knowledge dropper said:

Trump has more executive level experience than any President ever to have held office.  

What do you base that on...the amount of time he spent playing golf or watching TV?

Trump University

Trump Airlines

Trump Steaks

Trump Taj Mahal

Trump Vodka 

Trump Mortgage

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:mellow:

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4 minutes ago, knowledge dropper said:

He ran the Trump Organization for 45 years before becoming President.  Stop it.  

We were talking about government executive experience in the Sarah Sanders discussion, not executive experience in the private sector. Trump had no government executive experience and Sanders only experience was being WH press secretary. 

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2 hours ago, sho nuff said:

What makes you think this?  This is a serious question.  What characteristics has she shown that she would be able to lead a state?  What qualities of a good leader does she have?  What experience at that executive level does she have?

 

11 minutes ago, squistion said:

We were talking about government executive experience in the Sarah Sanders discussion, not executive experience in the private sector. Trump had no government executive experience and Sanders only experience was being WH press secretary. 

Both you guys.  Quit moving goalposts and antagonizing posters in the pro-Trump thread.  TIA.  

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1 minute ago, knowledge dropper said:

Both you guys.  Quit moving goalposts and antagonizing posters in the pro-Trump thread.  TIA.  

No goalposts were moved. It wasn't clear what you meant by executive level experience :shrug:

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