knowledge dropper 6,741 Posted February 23 Author Share Posted February 23 7 minutes ago, HellToupee said: Absolutely. We want the good times back. when will gas hit $3? By Spring Break. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Godsbrother 7,150 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 15 minutes ago, HellToupee said: Absolutely. We want the good times back. when will gas hit $3? So we're back to tying gas prices to the president? Come on, Biden has nothing to do with the rise in gas prices just like Trump had nothing to do with them rising when he was president. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kal El 3,940 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 7 minutes ago, Godsbrother said: So we're back to tying gas prices to the president? Come on, Biden has nothing to do with the rise in gas prices just like Trump had nothing to do with them rising when he was president. Here I thought Biden had everything to do with gas prices just like Trump had everything to do with the stock market when it rose. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
timschochet 35,028 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 6 minutes ago, Kal El said: Here I thought Biden had everything to do with gas prices just like Trump had everything to do with the stock market when it rose. Consistency is not required. Whatever makes Trump look good will be used. Whatever makes Biden look bad will be used. Winning, and pissing off the libs, are the only rules. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mile High 5,289 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 18 minutes ago, Godsbrother said: So we're back to tying gas prices to the president? Come on, Biden has nothing to do with the rise in gas prices just like Trump had nothing to do with them rising when he was president. Maybe gas prices are going up because demand is going up? Coming off of a year where demand had been low, you can can bet the gas companies are going to raise prices as soon as demand increases. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kal El 3,940 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 5 minutes ago, timschochet said: Consistency is not required. Whatever makes Trump look good will be used. Whatever makes Biden look bad will be used. Winning, and pissing off the libs, are the only rules. They’ve already broken both of those rules as well. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
knowledge dropper 6,741 Posted February 23 Author Share Posted February 23 3 minutes ago, Mile High said: Maybe gas prices are going up because demand is going up? Coming off of a year where demand had been low, you can can bet the gas companies are going to raise prices as soon as demand increases. Or maybe our energy independence that Trump was so successful with putting into motion is getting thrown out the window? 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mile High 5,289 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 1 minute ago, knowledge dropper said: Or maybe our energy independence that Trump was so successful with putting into motion is getting thrown out the window? How? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Godsbrother 7,150 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 Just now, knowledge dropper said: Or maybe our energy independence that Trump was so successful with putting into motion is getting thrown out the window? You realize that gas prices rose and fell at times during Trump's 4 years in the White House, right? The president has very little effect on the price of oil. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ramblin Wreck 14,331 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 16 minutes ago, timschochet said: Consistency is not required. Whatever makes Trump look good will be used. Whatever makes Biden look bad will be used. Winning, and pissing off the libs, are the only rules. This is ironic. You're the exact opposite of this. 4 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GoBirds 10,397 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 14 minutes ago, Godsbrother said: You realize that gas prices rose and fell at times during Trump's 4 years in the White House, right? The president has very little effect on the price of oil. Exactly, anything bad that happens during the Biden era has little to do with POTUS. Everything bad during Trump was completely his fault....we get it. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Godsbrother 7,150 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 45 minutes ago, GoBirds said: Exactly, anything bad that happens during the Biden era has little to do with POTUS. Everything bad during Trump was completely his fault....we get it. I don't recall Trump getting blamed around here for gas prices when they were rising under his watch. Most of us realize the White House doesn't have much control over it. If you think Biden's one month in office is responsible for the rise in gas prices there isn't anything I can say that will change your mind. Also there was a thread here that gave Trump credit for some of the good that was done while he was in president. It will be interesting to see if any Republicans here start one for Biden. 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
moleculo 9,409 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 (edited) 2 hours ago, HellToupee said: Absolutely. We want the good times back. when will gas hit $3? gas will be cheap again next time the economy crashes. ETA: it should be self-evident that when people stop traveling and goods aren't shipped (i.e. because factories are closed), energy costs go down. When we come out of that slump, energy costs go up. supply and demand. gas getting more expensive now is a sign that the economy is heating up again. Edited February 23 by moleculo 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mile High 5,289 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 13 minutes ago, Godsbrother said: I don't recall Trump getting blamed around here for gas prices when they were rising under his watch. I do recall Trump taking credit when gas prices dropped. Don't really remember him taking credit when they went back up. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Godsbrother 7,150 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 1 minute ago, Mile High said: I do recall Trump taking credit when gas prices dropped. Don't really remember him taking credit when they went back up. Same as the stock market. He frequently took credit when the stock market rose but when it was crashing early last year he stopped talking about it. He did hold a press conference when it rebounded and went over 30k though. I believe that press conference took about 90 seconds and when done he walked out without taking questions. Good times indeed. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kal El 3,940 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 9 minutes ago, Mile High said: I do recall Trump taking credit when gas prices dropped. Don't really remember him taking credit when they went back up. Which goes back to his own words that he takes responsibility for nothing. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sho nuff 17,213 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 12 minutes ago, Mile High said: I do recall Trump taking credit when gas prices dropped. Don't really remember him taking credit when they went back up. I believe he touted it as if it were a tax cut he gave people. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/trump-claims-credit-cheap-gas-experts-say-it-s-not-n953626 That he did... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HellToupee 15,766 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 And right on cue we have a trouncing in the market today 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kal El 3,940 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 29 minutes ago, HellToupee said: And right on cue we have a trouncing in the market today -0.68% isn’t exactly what I think of as a trouncing. Now if it lost 7% before 10am, then I can see it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Osaurus 9,195 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 1 hour ago, sho nuff said: I believe he touted it as if it were a tax cut he gave people. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/trump-claims-credit-cheap-gas-experts-say-it-s-not-n953626 That he did... I believe at one point he also boasted that he knew someone at OPEC and they were able to increase production as a favor. Yeah, that's utter too 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
General Malaise 27,568 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 9 minutes ago, Kal El said: -0.68% isn’t exactly what I think of as a trouncing. Now if it lost 7% before 10am, then I can see it. Well, to be fair, the NASDAQ is down over 2% and that hurts. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kal El 3,940 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 6 minutes ago, General Malaise said: Well, to be fair, the NASDAQ is down over 2% and that hurts. That’s fair, but it’s still not even close to the biggest losses we had last year. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
the rover 5,557 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 3 hours ago, HellToupee said: Absolutely. We want the good times back. when will gas hit $3? Only place around here with sub-$3 gas is Costco, and it's $2.98. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
General Malaise 27,568 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 5 minutes ago, Kal El said: That’s fair, but it’s still not even close to the biggest losses we had last year. Oh, this isn't even remotely close to a trouncing, but Trumpers gonna Trumper. I think we got a selloff coming that will make today look like a zit on a giant's behind. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GoBirds 10,397 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 54 minutes ago, Kal El said: -0.68% isn’t exactly what I think of as a trouncing. Now if it lost 7% before 10am, then I can see it. Weird, one of your regulars was recently bragging about an increase of less than 1% with the “Biden market”......such predictable hypocritical schtick I love it. Move the goalposts again, quick!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dawgtrails 1,157 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 56 minutes ago, the rover said: Only place around here with sub-$3 gas is Costco, and it's $2.98. US average is $2.645. But anyway, the reason for the increase is the weather, not the president Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mile High 5,289 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 14 minutes ago, dawgtrails said: US average is $2.645. But anyway, the reason for the increase is the weather, not the president I paid $2.33 this morning. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kal El 3,940 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 37 minutes ago, GoBirds said: Weird, one of your regulars was recently bragging about an increase of less than 1% with the “Biden market”......such predictable hypocritical schtick I love it. Move the goalposts again, quick!!! I have no idea what you’re talking about, so I’m just going to let this sit here. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dawgtrails 1,157 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 Anyone else here who wouldn't know what the gas price was if it wasn't talked about here? I fill up so infrequently. I don't even look at the price I just stop at whatever station is convenient. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
General Malaise 27,568 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 15 minutes ago, dawgtrails said: Anyone else here who wouldn't know what the gas price was if it wasn't talked about here? I fill up so infrequently. I don't even look at the price I just stop at whatever station is convenient. I feel like it's been between $2 and $3 forever, but I use reward points at the local grocer so I don't really have any idea either. When the guy tells me I am getting a $1 off because we spend an ungodly amount of money feeding our family, I do a little jig and tell him to use the 89 octane gas....a little treat for the minivan. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tonydead 8,073 Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 6 hours ago, Kal El said: That’s fair, but it’s still not even close to the biggest losses we had last year. JFC 1 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
knowledge dropper 6,741 Posted February 24 Author Share Posted February 24 Will Father Trump’s CPAC speech be streaming anywhere? It is going to be epic. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Leroy Hoard 14,053 Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 On 2/23/2021 at 2:53 PM, General Malaise said: I feel like it's been between $2 and $3 forever, but I use reward points at the local grocer so I don't really have any idea either. When the guy tells me I am getting a $1 off because we spend an ungodly amount of money feeding our family, I do a little jig and tell him to use the 89 octane gas....a little treat for the minivan. You sir are a real American. A lot of that missing around here. 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Encyclopedia Brown 2,701 Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 5 hours ago, knowledge dropper said: Will Father Trump’s CPAC speech be streaming anywhere? It is going to be epic. Rumor has it that Sacha Baron Cohen is planning a clandestine appearance at CPAC. He was there last year dressed as Trump. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tonydead 8,073 Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 (edited) On 2/24/2021 at 10:34 AM, knowledge dropper said: Will Father Trump’s CPAC speech be streaming anywhere? It is going to be epic. live.conservative.org AMERICA UNCANCELED Edited February 25 by tonydead 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
joffer 12,482 Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 https://twitter.com/williamturton/status/1365109969490567169?s=21 wasn’t there something in that old book about idols and stuff.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
timschochet 35,028 Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 On 2/24/2021 at 10:34 AM, knowledge dropper said: Will Father Trump’s CPAC speech be streaming anywhere? It is going to be epic. I agree. If he says what’s being reported that he will, he will be like Samson bringing down the walls of what’s left of the GOP around him. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
General Malaise 27,568 Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 21 minutes ago, timschochet said: I agree. If he says what’s being reported that he will, he will be like Samson bringing down the walls of what’s left of the GOP around him. I think you mean Joshua, no? Walls of Jericho? Been a while since I Bibled. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
timschochet 35,028 Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 42 minutes ago, General Malaise said: I think you mean Joshua, no? Walls of Jericho? Been a while since I Bibled. Yeah it’s one of those guys. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kal El 3,940 Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 2 hours ago, General Malaise said: I think you mean Joshua, no? Walls of Jericho? Been a while since I Bibled. Samson brought the Philistine building down on his own head in the book of Judges, as his last act of strength after Delilah betrayed him and the nice he revealed where he supposedly got his strength from, they blinded him. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
squistion 12,632 Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 6 hours ago, Kal El said: Samson brought the Philistine building down on his own head in the book of Judges, as his last act of strength after Delilah betrayed him and the nice he revealed where he supposedly got his strength from, they blinded him. Since we are making biblical references: People are drawing comparisons between a gold statue of Donald Trump, seen at the Conservative Political Action Conference, to the golden calf made by the Israelites in the Bible's book of Exodus: https://twitter.com/WilliamTurton/status/1365109969490567169 (video clip at link). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kal El 3,940 Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 8 minutes ago, squistion said: Since we are making biblical references: People are drawing comparisons between a gold statue of Donald Trump, seen at the Conservative Political Action Conference, to the golden calf made by the Israelites in the Bible's book of Exodus: https://twitter.com/WilliamTurton/status/1365109969490567169 (video clip at link). That also brings to mind what Nebuchadnezzar did with his golden statue. I’ll follow the example of Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego, thanks. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HellToupee 15,766 Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 Take this religious mumbo jumbo to the religious mumbo jumbo thread.Cripes 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
squistion 12,632 Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 14 minutes ago, HellToupee said: Take this religious mumbo jumbo to the religious mumbo jumbo thread.Cripes What do you expect when people here keep calling him Father Trump? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Snotbubbles 931 Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 On 2/23/2021 at 8:54 AM, Godsbrother said: Just shows you how whacked out the Republicans party is. Aside from all of the crap he has pulled (lying about a stolen election, trying to coerce election officials to "find votes", downplaying covid, playing up conspiracy theories, stirring up the attack on the nation's capitol... ) he lost the GOP majorities in the senate and the house and lost the 2020 presidency. And THIS is the guy they want leading the party? Bizarre. A few Supreme Court Justices believe he had a point about the election (Thomas, Alito and Gorsuch). For example in PA, Justice Thomas wanted to review the fact that the PA Supreme Court changed an election deadline which rests solely in the Legislature's power. The a majority of the other Justices found it moot since it didn't change the outcome, but the fraud in the manner of the voting regulation change is obvious. He cites an example of what happens when the Legislature doesn't control the voting rules, "A different petition argues that after election day the Pennsylvania Supreme Court nullified the legislative requirement that voters write the date on mail-in ballots. See Pet. for Cert., O. T. 2020, No. 20–845. According to public reports, one candidate for a state senate seat claimed victory under what she contended was the legislative rule that dates must be included on the ballots. A federal court noted that this candidate would win by 93 votes under that rule. Ziccarelli v. Allegheny Cty. Bd. of Elections, 2021 WL 101683, *1 (WD Pa., Jan. 12, 2021). A second candidate claimed victory under the contrary rule announced by the Pennsylvania Supreme Court. He was seated." Why did Trump's cases fail. Simple, there wasn't enough time to put forth a complete case. As Thomas wrote, "Five to six weeks for judicial testing is difficult enough for straightforward cases. For factually complex cases, compressing discovery, testimony, and appeals into this timeline is virtually impossible." He went on, mail-in votes make judicial review even more complicated because and fraud more prevelant, "[v]oting by mail is now common enough and problematic enough that election experts say there have been multiple elections in which no one can say with confidence which candidate was the deserved winner.” According to Thomas, PA mail-in votes went from 4% of cast votes in 2018 to 38% in 2020. So the opportunity for fraud was higher because, “[A]bsentee voting replaces the oversight that exists at polling places with something akin to an honor system.” He finishes by writing, "In short, the postelection system of judicial review is at most suitable for garden-variety disputes. It generally cannot restore the state of affairs before an election. And it is often incapable of testing allegations of systemic maladministration, voter suppression, or fraud that go to the heart of public confidence in election results. That is obviously problematic for allegations backed by substantial evidence. But the same is true where allegations are incorrect." You see, the Courts are concerned with voter confidence in elections and changing the outcome by legal process is deleterious to the democratic process. Trump wasn't lying, he just had no chance of winning because the Courts and parties just didn't have the resources to do a thorough discovery process. The timeframe is just too short. Unfortunately the Court didn't want to rule on this because they majority deemed it moot, not that Trump was lying. They punted on the issue. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Chaz McNulty 1,139 Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 1 hour ago, Snotbubbles said: He went on, mail-in votes make judicial review even more complicated because and fraud more prevelant, "[v]oting by mail is now common enough and problematic enough that election experts say there have been multiple elections in which no one can say with confidence which candidate was the deserved winner.” If this gets repeated enough times, does it make it true? And when he says 'expert', who is he referring to? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
knowledge dropper 6,741 Posted February 26 Author Share Posted February 26 15 hours ago, timschochet said: I agree. If he says what’s being reported that he will, he will be like Samson bringing down the walls of what’s left of the GOP around him. How can you report on what he is going to say. Isn’t that speculation? What are the fear brokers hoping he says? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GoBirds 10,397 Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 Still the best thread in the chamber. 2 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tonydead 8,073 Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 9 hours ago, squistion said: Since we are making biblical references: People are drawing comparisons between a gold statue of Donald Trump, seen at the Conservative Political Action Conference, to the golden calf made by the Israelites in the Bible's book of Exodus: https://twitter.com/WilliamTurton/status/1365109969490567169 (video clip at link). No kidding? Hmm. Never heard that or saw that video before, thanks. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
knowledge dropper 6,741 Posted February 27 Author Share Posted February 27 1 hour ago, tonydead said: No kidding? Hmm. Never heard that or saw that video before, thanks. People = a handful of Twitter nuts 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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