BladeRunner
Footballguy
I was thinking more a place that created its own political forum where posters can create their own political reality. Their own little echo chamber.
It's right on the tip of my tongue. Hmmmmm....
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It's right on the tip of my tongue. Hmmmmm....
Ilov80s
Footballguy
This forum is made up of a lot of people with various political backgrounds. While it is more liberal than it used to be, there are a lot of conservatives here and people who are independent or have a history of voting Republican- myself included.
timschochet
Footballguy
I think I’m starting to understand why the Trump legal team abruptly cut ties with Sidney Powell. It wasn’t because her claims were too wild even for them. It’s because one of her theories is that, along with stealing millions of votes for Joe Biden, Dominion also ensured that Kelly Loeffler defeated Doug Collins in the Georgia GOP primary. That theory would undercut Loeffler’s bid for the Senate in January 5 and might depress Republican voting so it can’t be allowed.
What a total #### show.
What a total #### show.
TheMagus
Footballguy
Yes. She was actively working to lose the Senate for the GOP. The thing is, I'm not sure Trump cares about that. It is starting to appear that someone stepped in and put the hammer down. I'm really curious what is going on behind the scenes with the GOP.
Joe Summer
Footballguy
Well, this theory is about to be put to the test, as one of the other lawyers on the Trump Legal Team™ just threw Loeffler and Perdue under the bus:
dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8976193/Trump-attorney-Lin-Wood-says-Republicans-withhold-votes-Georgia-primary.html
2Squirrels1Nut
Footballguy
You are giving them WAY TOO MUCH credit. Newborn babies think more long term than team Trump.
2Squirrels1Nut
Footballguy
gianmarco
Footballguy
It's the same folks over and over despite being asked to not do so. While you can't stop the trolling emojis, just keep them on your ignore list and move on. It's not worth the effort or time.
Steve Tasker
Footballguy
Best part, you don't even get a notification when they interact with your posts. Out of sight, out of mind.
BladeRunner
Footballguy
By 'a lot' you must mean like 10, right? because it is overwhelmingly liberal in here. Or, maybe, most of them don't post here but based on just the people that post, there is no way there is 'a lot' of conservatives in here. And I'm also talking about posters who bash conservatives/GOP all day long, speak gloriously of liberals/demcorat all day long but then CLAIM (
) that they are Independents or conservatives which, of course, is a bunch of baloney. Just admit you're a liberal instead of being a political coward.
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Emeril
Footballguy
Or maybe, there are a lot of people who typically identify or identified as conservative or moderate who were just turned off by the disaster of the last 4 years and don't blindly support Donald Trump just because he has an (R) next to his name. There are still people who vote for/support candidates and don't feel the need to throw their weight behind whatever steaming pile of garbage "their" political party might serve up at any given time. Oh yeah babe....By 'a lot' you must mean like 10, right? because it is overwhelmingly liberal in here. Or, maybe, most of them don't post here but based on just the people that post, there is no way there is 'a lot' of conservatives in here. And I'm also talking about posters who bash conservatives/GOP all day long, speak gloriously of liberals/demcorat all day long but then CLAIM (
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BladeRunner
Footballguy
With all due respect, I think that's just an excuse. I think a lot of people in here like to TELL themselves that, but in reality they're really liberal but trying to play the fence to give an APPEARENCE of being independent or unbiased.
You can still support conservative policies and NOT like your candidate because, what's the alternative? Voting liberal? Then, as a conservative, do you just blow off conservative policy for the next 4-8 years because you dislike the current guy and watch the left push forth more and more extreme policy? Or, do you hold your nose and vote for Trump but still get tax cuts, THREE supreme court justices, immigration control and many more things? It's silly, because a lot of liberals voted for Hillary and held their nose but conservatives can't do the same?
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Ilov80s
Footballguy
10 out of how many people that post here? I see the same 30 people over and over. As for your comments about liberals losing as independents. I voted Kasich in 2016 primary. I originally voted Snyder for governor in Michigan. I’ve voted for Bush and abstained for voting for Obama in his re-election. I do not at all care for the current state of the GOP but I still have a lot of conservative principles. One of our most conservative posters, Rock seems to have even been driven away from the GOP. Or is he another liberal in disguise?By 'a lot' you must mean like 10, right? because it is overwhelmingly liberal in here. Or, maybe, most of them don't post here but based on just the people that post, there is no way there is 'a lot' of conservatives in here. And I'm also talking about posters who bash conservatives/GOP all day long, speak gloriously of liberals/demcorat all day long but then CLAIM (
BladeRunner
Footballguy
See this post: https://forums.footballguys.com/forum/topic/776645-trump-2020-hq-the-great-place/?do=findComment&comment=23101149
This might help you understand how I feel about conservatives voting against conservative policy.
I don't think @rockaction is as conservative as you're making him out to be - I think he leans right, but not crazy right. I could be wrong.
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Ilov80s
Footballguy
Who said they cant? Millions of them did. Many others didn’t. It’s a choice. Also it depends which conservative principles one might be most invested in. I had been more of a financial conservative, social liberal so Trump offered nothing to me. He’s not fiscally sound.
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Ilov80s
Footballguy
Maybe my browser is messed up but the link isn’t taking me anywhere. I won’t speak for RA’s politics but if he’s being considered as not very conservative, then I don’t even know what the barometer is anymore.
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
Honestly, I've never seen you take a conservative position in a discussion. I don't keep a notebook on people like some do though.
Chicago Hooligan
Footballguy
Many of our Trump supporters made the tactical decision to get banned prior to the election.
BladeRunner
Footballguy
Right. Because they simply didn't tow the liberal ideology. Simply being in disagreement was enough to get suspended or banned.
In fact, me just posting this puts me at serious risk of being reported and/or suspended/banned.
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BladeRunner
Footballguy
I was just about to post the same, but I haven't been here that long either. In the short time I've been here, i've never seen him do that.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Unlikely that I’ve posted anything positive about the GOP the last 4 years so that’s not surprising. I’ve been very vocal about where I stand on Trump and I feel most of what I said about him has come to fruition. And I’ve been very disappointed to see the GOP follow along with him. I absolutely do not align with the current Republican version of conservatism but that doesn’t mean I don’t have conservative values. I’m far more centrist though than conservative though. I haven’t been a true conservative since early 2000s when I was on the Buchanon train.
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BladeRunner
Footballguy
What are some "conservative" positions you support that you THINK the current version doesn't have?
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Ramblin Wreck
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BladeRunner
Footballguy
Godsbrother
Footballguy
I think that Trump is such a reprehensible person and so poorly handled the pandemic that some conservatives that always vote republican bailed on him while still voting for the other republicans on the ballot.
I know that some of my conservative friends and family that voted for him in 2016 didn't in 2020. That certainly doesn't make them liberal.
I know that some of my conservative friends and family that voted for him in 2016 didn't in 2020. That certainly doesn't make them liberal.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Balanced budget. Massive big business tax cuts during a financial boom seems unlikely to get our debt under control.
Placing the ideas of the Constitution and our Democratic processes above all others to defend the citizens from the government. Defending the election, rights to free speech, rights to protest, etc. Protesters have been violent but the rhetoric on the right has been extremely hostile. Advocating for violence and force from police against citizens. Trying to disenfranchise millions of voters in States because they are unhappy with the outcome.
The importance of family and traditional family values. I’m anti-abortion personally. Freedom of religion is important.
A failure to protect the future and the assets of the country through a denial of climate change.
Smaller government.
Free trade.
Emphasis on local control.
I believe in reasonable gun control but definitely support the 2nd and think people should be able to have guns.
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Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
Sure. There are several people like you described in this country. Where are they on this forum though? There are very few people that take the conservative side of political discussions that are anti-Trump. Rock and IK are the two that come to mind.
rockaction
Footballguy
I haven't read the argument you guys are having, but I can comment quickly since you called. I was definitely a member of the American right that was influenced by free-market economics and social conservatism. In my later years, I began to adopt and concede more arguments from the left on anti-government interference issues and safety net issues. I still don't believe in positive rights (that one's existence gives one a "right" to things like food, shelter, etc.) but have conceded that the theoretical initial distribution of wealth was, at large, government interference itself and that it was a distribution of might, not right. That's not a small thing, and may make me much less right than a lot of people in America.
But I was indeed a member of the right and worked in politics for about the most right-leaning think tank you can imagine, fully on board with most of its economic and social policy.
You could just say I'm getting older and seen a lot of ####, too.
I pulled the lever for the GOP in 2004, if that dispels any doubt I once voted for the Republican Party. I just voted straight ticket. Now, I regret that choice thanks to brave whistle blowers like Edward Snowden, who remains a fugitive from justice wrongly, in my estimation. (I've also got a bit of Kook in me, always did, and that's why I identify as libertarian more than GOP. Always did.)
Ilov80s
Footballguy
It’s reasonable to think if someone is a centrist they have some beliefs that would fall left and some that fall right. Where did I claim I was a hardcore conservative? I do have conservative beliefs. I am morally against abortion. I’m for smaller government and balancing the budget.
I think a lot of people don't buy into the idea that you either support Trump/Republicans or you support socialism. 4 years of Biden is unlikely to turn the US into Venezuela, but I guess we are about to find out.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
How so? I never ever presented myself as a conservative. I said I have conservative principles. I also have principles that are not in line with conservatives. I don’t tow either party line or give my full support to either side.
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
Your own words were you have conservative principles. We are asking you what those are because you never take the conservative side of any discussion. Feel free to link where you have though. As I said I don't keep a notebook on posters and could easily be wrong here going off my memory
Ilov80s
Footballguy
I don’t have a notebook of my own postings either. I don’t support the current Conservative party as I said so I doubt there’s much to see in recent years. I wish it was the party of Kasich, Romey, etc but there’s not really a place for that today. Or at least not anywhere I know of.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
I think that is where we’ve seen a major shift in the conservative position to adopting a more populist outlook on many things. RA could probably give a far better breakdown than I could.
SWC
Bromigo
and im old enough to remember when they supported reducing the national debt and reducing national spending and supporting small g government instead of using federal powers at whim and ideas like supporting american innovation and the middle class instead of corporations but hey thats just me talkin take that to the bank brohans
HellToupee
Footballguy
SWC
Bromigo
i guess we will never know what his intentions were but the sticking points in trumps trade negotiations with bejing were about forced technology transfers market access for us companies intellectual property theft and the chinese government subsidizing state owned companies over there i know he argued that his tariffs would bring jobs back but i have never heard a convincing argument how that was supposed to work and the sticking point items i listed above seem more about helping wealthy corporations than they do about helping the middle class and as of 2019 his trade wars cost the us 300000 jobs and 316 billion and devalued corporations by just under 2 trillion dollars per brookings institution and the american farm bureau said that farmers had lost the vast majority of what was once a 24 billion market in china due to retaliation to trumps tariffs by china so hey i dont believe he was ever out for the middle class or farmers but again that is just me talking take that to the bank bromigos
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rockaction
Footballguy
You could have asked him if he was once the guy who once gave a speech at the border, pointed South and said "No way, Jose"?
That Pat Buchanan?
But I'm interrupting. Pat Buchanan's rhetoric, as @Gary Coal Manonce pointed out, got adopted by Ross Perot in '92 as hitting a remarkable touchstone and nerve with a number of unaffiliated voters and became sort of central to the Reform Party, of which Donald Trump was a member and candidate.
Trump is very much in the Buchanan mold.
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rockaction
Footballguy
Pat Buchanan was an economic populist before "economic populist" was a catch phrase.
Buchanan would have looked around and said, "Look at all these people with jobs. There are no manufacturing jobs anymore. And who's left not holding them? White people, that's who."
That's the type of thing Buchanan would have said.
Buchanan would have looked around and said, "Look at all these people with jobs. There are no manufacturing jobs anymore. And who's left not holding them? White people, that's who."
That's the type of thing Buchanan would have said.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Yep and being 18 from an a very white Catholic suburban school in a town whose wealth was entirely tied to the auto industry, it definitely made sense to me at the time.
Agreed. I think there's a pretty significant portion of people who don't trust career bureaucrats from either party who've never had to make a payroll to make business type deals.
"Business" is different when you literally print your own money.
And I'm sure this will generate tons of the mocking about how terrible Trump was at business. That's a different topic than what I'm talking about.
SWC
Bromigo
joehan the aid he provided farmers was required primarily because his trade war hurt them its money that should never have been needed to be spent and please please please explain how the bejing trade negotiations were about the middle class and i mean my middle class not the average fbg upper end middle class take that to the bank bromigos
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Ilov80s
Footballguy
Oh absolutely there are lots of people who think that way. Like most things, I think it’s a bit more complicated than that. There’s a lot of ways running a business just doesn’t translate to running the economy of a country.
Of course. Way more complicated. That's just a general 40,000 foot view.
I have a friend who was considering going into business with another wealthy person I knew. The wealthy person was a trust fund guy that had never had the realities of real life business. His dad was always there to add more money to the account if it got tough. I advised my friend to pass on the opportunity as I just didn't think his potential partner had the real life experience to operate a real life business. Turns out I was completely right.
The "business" of government can be like this in some ways. Not all of course.
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