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A signature audit will check the absentee ballot vs the envelope or request form to ensure they match.

Forensic will check the ink/paper to make sure they are legit.

I'd like to see these because these are claims the witnesses are making. 

Eta: forensic will also examine the machines codes
The problem here is that your suggestions won't disprove the conspiracy; it will only move the goalpost to a new location.

Once you audit the signatures on the envelopes, then the goalpost moves to "How do you know that the ballots weren't swapped after they were removed from their envelopes?"

 
I'll start with signature audit.  You understand that most states have "secret ballot" provisions, such that once the actual ballot is removed/separated from the envelope, they cannot be linked back together, right?  In most states, when the ballot is first processed, there is a signature matching process, with party observers present.  Once the signature match is confirmed, the ballot itself is then removed/separated for counting, and the ballot itself can then never again be linked back to the signature.  This is the process in Georgia, for example.  So what are you proposing needs to occur now, at this point in the process?  If your answer is that you want John Doe's actual vote to be matched against John Doe's absentee submission with signature, that is impossible.  I suspect that the Trump knows it's impossible, which is exactly why they keep requesting it; so they can then rail against "the system" for not doing it.

Re: forensic audit, I don't understand what you're asking.  What do you mean, make sure the paper/ink are legit?  Is there non-legit paper/ink?  What makes it legit versus non-legit?  Can you be (a lot) more specific regarding the exact process you want to occur?

Re: "claims witnesses are making", the reality is it's really not "the system's" job to prove random claims are false.  A witness saying "I saw bunches of X" isn't falsifiable.  Get someone in court, under oath, and cross-examined, with a specific claim of a specific occurrence.  For example, I saw vote counter Jane Doe do X, in location Y, at time Z.  We'll need to then call Jane Doe to the stand as well.  Until then, this is all just ramblings of internet randos.
What they can do is compare the signature used to request the ballot vs the signature received.  They should match up.  No, that won't tell you who the vote was for, but will indicate the overall % of absentee ballots that would be up for dispute. 

For the forensic audit they would look at the paper and ink yes.  One witness claimed a batch of her ballots were off.  They felt and looked different than the rest.  The expert speaking said they can look it to make sure it was printed from a dominion machine locally as a cured ballot and not printed off-site.  With claims of the USPS contract driver saying ballots moved over state lines, I think this is a point worth looking into. 

a GA witness also reported they have 96k returned mail in ballots that had no arrival information. I think a forensic audit gets to verify those.

It will also examine the machine to make sure fractional votes aren't a real thing.  Why dominion makes their voting fractional, I haven't heard.  It doesn't seem like it ever needs to be.  But that would rule out vote weighing or switching. 

And you're right, we need people brought in to explain their actions.  Right now its all allegations.  The good news is that they've identified at least two of the people in Fulton county who stayed behind after everyone was told to go home and hopefully they explain their side of the story shortly.

 
Why has no asked those questions the last four years?
Because just like Obama, Biden is going to bring in unchecked socialism which comes at a hefty price tag f
Socialism is bad.  I mean, programs that serve everyone, which you cant opt out of, that are for the greater good of the country.  So bad, so very bad.  Should we start defunding them?  Where should we start?  Should we start with the US military?

 
Socialism is bad.  I mean, programs that serve everyone, which you cant opt out of, that are for the greater good of the country.  So bad, so very bad.  Should we start defunding them?  Where should we start?  Should we start with the US military?
Corporate socialism and socializing losses is just dandy, though.

 
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Why did you not insist on forensic audits in 2016 or 2018?  There were stories of voter fraud back then and in almost every election.  Should we require audits for every county in every state for every election?   Just cherry picking areas where Trump lost doesn't seem right if you are interesting in full transparency.


Logical fallacy.

Hillary Clinton was well within her legal rights, in some instances in 2016, to have challenged some specific election results. That she did not is her choice. You can't hold Max Power's feet to the fire for a choice that Hillary Clinton made.

You are also inferring that voter fraud is acceptable as the cost of doing business.

Max Power wants what I want which is what many Americans want - To ensure that the political voice of each American citizen, via their ballots, is heard and counted fairly and accurately.

2400 Americans were killed, wounded or were listed as missing on Omaha Beach. In the first waves, the casualty count was sometimes up to 96 percent. They bled and died so we could vote.

It's easy for some of you to make this all about Donald Trump. But it's not all about Donald Trump. The Republic is bigger than one man.

Good people gave all so we could have our political voice heard. They should all be counted. So Yes, if that's what it takes to honor that spilled blood and sacrifice, then Yes, if it takes an audit in every county in every state for every election to get it right, then so be it. It could be for Trump, it could be for Kanye West, it could be anyone on that ballot.

The 2020 election was vastly different than any other in American political history ( pandemic, raw number of voters, raw number of mail in votes, etc). Your political tribalism makes it seductive for you to deny that. If you wish to engage in that denial, the men on Omaha Beach died so you had the freedom to do that too. Just don't drag Max Power or any of the other conservatives here into your halfhearted jilted morality play.

 
It is all about Donald Trump. 

Just because you want it to be fraud doesn't make it so.

Just because you dont like the election results doesn't mean you get a redo.

 
No, but you did try and equate making fun of somebody for using too much skin bronzer or being overweight (things a person can control) to making fun of somebody for having a speech impediment (something a person cannot control) which is pretty gross.  But you do you.
You don't know - he may have an un-diagnosed pituitary issue, you monster!

 
Are we auditing Florida, Ohio, North Carolina?  What about states like Utah where mail ballots are automatically sent to 100% of eligible voters?
I have nothing against it.  Go for it.  One minute people are worried about price tags, the next its areas where no fraud has been reported.  I'm honestly fine with either.

 
And you're right, we need people brought in to explain their actions.  Right now its all allegations.  The good news is that they've identified at least two of the people in Fulton county who stayed behind after everyone was told to go home and hopefully they explain their side of the story shortly.
Or people look into their social media and get floored by the results.  Buckle up. 

 
Can someone unpack the Pentagon advisory board story... anything worth paying attention to or is this odd/temporary window dressing of some sort?

 
CletiusMaximus said:
Your interest has nothing to do with integrity or transparency.....


Michigan poll challenger, who was mistaken for a Democrat, told to get Republican challengers out

1,085,712 views  •Dec 1, 2020

#Michigan poll challenger, who was mistaken for a Democrat, told to get Republican challengers ("the MFs") out

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-iPVL0UV9Kw

"Because of my skin color they assumed that I'm a Democrat."

"She looked on my tag ( indicating GOP) and said, 'You are on the wrong side.'"

"The signatures ( on the ballots) were exactly alike."

"The ballots were sequential and being manually fed into the system."

"Every time a GOP challenger was escorted out, the Democrats were cheering."

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Every time you disparage the "integrity" of a fellow conservative on here ( low value posting), I am going to respond with essential video, facts, articles, quotes, stats and relevant material. Max Power is not a conservative where you forgot he was a FBG. He's a bona fide FBG who just happens to be a conservative. There's a difference and it's a big one and you clearly don't see it.

I can't make you respect a difference of opinion, I can raise the level of discussion until the weight of it grinds you down.

 
I have nothing against it.  Go for it.  One minute people are worried about price tags, the next its areas where no fraud has been reported.  I'm honestly fine with either.
reported, or alleged? so far the only thing I have seen are allegations with no proof. if allegations are all that are needed, then I will allege that there was more fraud committed by people voting for Trump than those voting for Biden.

 
reported, or alleged? so far the only thing I have seen are allegations with no proof. if allegations are all that are needed, then I will allege that there was more fraud committed by people voting for Trump than those voting for Biden.
The allegations require investigation. That's the whole point. Some people want to drag their feet on investigation because they say there is no proof. Seems backwards to me. 

I'm all for investigating all claims. Regardless of "side". 

 
reported, or alleged? so far the only thing I have seen are allegations with no proof. if allegations are all that are needed, then I will allege that there was more fraud committed by people voting for Trump than those voting for Biden.
The allegations require investigation. That's the whole point. Some people want to drag their feet on investigation because they say there is no proof. Seems backwards to me. 

I'm all for investigating all claims. Regardless of "side". 
I allege that all the votes for Trump are fraudulent and require investigation..  Please prove to me they are not fraudulent.

 
I allege that all the votes for Trump are fraudulent and require investigation..  Please prove to me they are not fraudulent.


“If I were asked to give what I consider the single most useful bit of advice for all humanity, it would be this: Expect trouble as an inevitable part of life, and when it comes, hold your head high. Look it squarely in the eye, and say, 'I will be bigger than you. You cannot defeat me.”
― Ann Landers

 
Logical fallacy.

Hillary Clinton was well within her legal rights, in some instances in 2016, to have challenged some specific election results. That she did not is her choice. You can't hold Max Power's feet to the fire for a choice that Hillary Clinton made.

You are also inferring that voter fraud is acceptable as the cost of doing business.

Max Power wants what I want which is what many Americans want - To ensure that the political voice of each American citizen, via their ballots, is heard and counted fairly and accurately.

2400 Americans were killed, wounded or were listed as missing on Omaha Beach. In the first waves, the casualty count was sometimes up to 96 percent. They bled and died so we could vote.

It's easy for some of you to make this all about Donald Trump. But it's not all about Donald Trump. The Republic is bigger than one man.

Good people gave all so we could have our political voice heard. They should all be counted. So Yes, if that's what it takes to honor that spilled blood and sacrifice, then Yes, if it takes an audit in every county in every state for every election to get it right, then so be it. It could be for Trump, it could be for Kanye West, it could be anyone on that ballot.

The 2020 election was vastly different than any other in American political history ( pandemic, raw number of voters, raw number of mail in votes, etc). Your political tribalism makes it seductive for you to deny that. If you wish to engage in that denial, the men on Omaha Beach died so you had the freedom to do that too. Just don't drag Max Power or any of the other conservatives here into your halfhearted jilted morality play.
I’m not trying to drag anyone into anything. 

My grandfather fought in WW1 and my father fought in WW2 for this country.  I have ancestors that fought and died in the civil and revolutionary wars for America so excuse me for getting a little upset when people denigrate the American election process with zero facts.

There is not a shred of evidence this election was stolen.  Not a single case of fraud has been proven or even had enough merit to considered in a court of law. 

If the fraud is so widespread and obvious it should be easy enough to demonstrate to a judge, any judge, the election was rigged. We are all waiting, the ball is in Trump and Rudy’s court and so far they have done nothing but punt or turn the ball over.

Prove it or admit defeat, is that too much to ask?  

 
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Watching the same lady run a stack of hidden ballots through a tabulation machine multiple times with no observers meets my criteria for fraudulent activity. 
I defended you as not trolling recently. However, it has already been shown to you that this statement is false. There is clearly state official observing in the video you are talking about. 

 
I defended you as not trolling recently. However, it has already been shown to you that this statement is false. There is clearly state official observing in the video you are talking about. 
They told everyone to go home including the Republican pill watchers and kept scanning ballots after. The same batches multiple times even! 

Who was the observer? 

 
Prove it .... 




Witness in Michigan says she was directed to BACKDATE absentee ballots by a supervisor

74,765 views •Dec 2, 2020

Witness in #Michigan says she was directed to BACKDATE absentee ballots with the “phony date of the day” given to her by a supervisor

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQZrjss0b-A

Michigan poll worker says voters who requested mail-in ballots were allowed to vote again in person

80,137 views  •Dec 2, 2020

#Michigan poll worker says voters who requested mail-in ballots were allowed to vote again in person

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6PUyZ2DLQ8

 
That leadstories is a bunk article being pushed. 

The observers have said they were told to go home. They even came back after hearing that counting continued. The news even reported they were done counting for the night. 

Even if you go by that story, the election official says he wasnt there until 1140 something. That's a hour of unsupervised ballot counting. It also fits the timeframe where we see the same batch scanned multiple times. 

Also trying to dismiss those ballots as previously opened and verified doesn't pass the common sense test. Those ballots were clearly separated from the rest. They knew which ones to start scanning once people left. Heck they even stopped the ones they were processing at the time and put them away for later. 

 
That leadstories is a bunk article being pushed. 

The observers have said they were told to go home. They even came back after hearing that counting continued. The news even reported they were done counting for the night. 

Even if you go by that story, the election official says he wasnt there until 1140 something. That's a hour of unsupervised ballot counting. It also fits the timeframe where we see the same batch scanned multiple times. 

Also trying to dismiss those ballots as previously opened and verified doesn't pass the common sense test. Those ballots were clearly separated from the rest. They knew which ones to start scanning once people left. Heck they even stopped the ones they were processing at the time and put them away for later. 
If they pulled out a bunch a fake ballots and scanned them multiple times, wouldn't the hand re-count have found this?

 
Was it the same people that did the hand recount? Wouldn't whoever did the hand recount have to recount the same ballots the same amount of times to get it to match up?
In theory, but like we just saw these people arent above breaking the rules, so I dont give them the benefit of the doubt.

Have you watched the video? I just dont see how people can watch it and say "yes... this is how elections should run in this country". 

 
In theory, but like we just saw these people arent above breaking the rules, so I dont give them the benefit of the doubt.

Have you watched the video? I just dont see how people can watch it and say "yes... this is how elections should run in this country". 
I watched the video. I honestly have no idea what is going on in the video, so I can't really say one way or another. I've seen plenty of articles debunking the narrators claims. Didn't they also do a second machine recount (again wouldn't that one be different if they scanned the same ballots multiple times the first time). Elections have safeguards built into them (which includes recounts) and I trust the process.

 
Saw this on Facebook   :thumbup:

I tolerated 44 (Obama) for 8 years and only discussed the normal politically ideological differences.
Here is my issue with the whole, “let us all be a United States again” that we heard from Joe Biden.
For the last 4+ years, the Democrats have gone scorched earth. You have salted the fields and now you want to grow crops.
The problem is 72+ million of us have memories longer than a hamster.
We remember the women’s march (vagina hats and all) the day after inauguration.
We remember the 4 years of attacks and impeachments
We remember “not our president” and the “Resistance…”
We remember Maxie Walters telling followers to harass us in restaurants.
We remember the Presidents spokesperson being kicked out of a restaurant.
We remember hundreds of Trump supporters physically attacked.
We remember Trump supporters getting Doxed, and fired from jobs.
We remember riots, and looting
We remember “a comedian” holding up the President’s severed head
We remember a play in Central park paid with public funding, showing the killing of President Trump
We remember Robert de Niro yelling “F" Trump” at the Tony’s and getting a standing ovation.
We remember Nancy Pelosi tearing up the State of the Union Address.
We remember the total in the tank move on the mainstream media
We remember the non-stop and live fact checking on our President and his supporters.
We remember non-stop in your face lies and open cover-ups from the media.
We remember the President and his staff being spied on.
We remember five Republican legislators shot on a ballfield.
We remember every so-called comedy show turn into nothing but Trump hate fest.
We remember 95% negative coverage in the news.
We remember the state governors asking and getting everything they ask for and then blaming Trump for their problems.
We remember a Trump top aid verbally assaulted in two DC restaurants.
We remember people banging on the Supreme Court doors.
We remember that we were called every name in the book for supporting President Trump.
We remember that Hollywood said they would leave after Trump was elected but they stayed.
This list is endless, but you get the idea.
My friends will be my friends, but a party that has been on the attack for 4 long years does not get a free pass with me!
 

 
The Fulton county supervisor and her little team. To include her mother even. 

ETA. It would be a shame of they found the social media of this group and it turns out they are anti trump. 
Probably another week and you’ll have the whole thing uncovered. :thumbup:

 
You guys will never convince Max to see reason on this. He's all but admitted that already.
To be fair, most people on either side aren't going to change their mind on this. I don't think Max has unreasonable questions. I just thing that the election has already been verified through multiple recounts. 

 
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I've given up hope that the dems on this board will acknowledge any level of fraud as well. 

These are becoming pointless back and forths


"It's not what you know, it's what you can prove."

-Alonzo Harris-

I think we've all waited patiently for there A) to be proof, B) an escelation of the process in regards to the proof and C) the courts to acknowledge that the claims of fraud are viable.

I don't think we've seen really any of that from The Kracken and her Merry Men and instead have seen ineptitude from these people combined with a CoC who, despite claiming to be the legitimate ruler, is acting anything but.  Trump inspires no confidence in me that his claims are real; simply because he is acting as if he knows they are invalid.  

 
No, but you did try and equate making fun of somebody for using too much skin bronzer or being overweight (things a person can control) to making fun of somebody for having a speech impediment (something a person cannot control) which is pretty gross.  But you do you.
All People can control being overweight?   Odd comment from a science guy

 
I think we've all waited patiently for there A) to be proof...


Full Hima Kolanagireddy testimony before Michigan House alleging election fraud | Diya TV

83,630 views •Dec 2, 2020

This is the full testimony of Indian American Hima Kolanagireddy, who before the Michigan House Oversight Committee, alleged witnessing fraud during the election as a representative observer of the Michigan GOP. She was brought as a witness to testify by President Trump's attorneys Rudy Giuliani & Jenna Ellis. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zG2RkKBHX0M

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Whatever you think of this election, this woman volunteered, is now doxxed to the public, risks legal penalty up to possible treason by signing an affidavit and testifying and is risking her own life to speak up. I won't pretend there are not fringe extreme elements of the radical right. So do us all a favor and not pretend there are not fringe extreme elements of the radical left who will consider targeting her.

Do these two sound insane to you?

 
What’s the most damaging evidence and/or court case to support your position?
I think Matt Braynard and the voter integrity project is a great start. His facts are from cold calling people and checking voter registration information. Finding people who have voted in multiple states, people who had votes cast in their names who never voted, voters registered to non-residential addresses and so on. The guy has a lot of information and reportedly the FBI has just asked for it.

I think the surge in irregularities is a major red flag. The State Department declared the 2004 Ukrainian presidential elections as invalid due to nearly the same irregularities we are seeing today. Poll watchers kicked out, questionable mail in and absentee ballot issues, data manipulation, extremely high turnouts in some districts. When this happens in another country we call a foul. When it happens in ours we act like there isnt enough evidence to prove it.

I think the larger audit in Arizona will tell us a lot as well. Finding 3% in 100 ballots is pretty significant and worth exploring further. 

The shady stuff in Fulton county also needs to be investigated. 

 
Witness in Michigan says she was directed to BACKDATE absentee ballots by a supervisor

74,765 views •Dec 2, 2020

Witness in #Michigan says she was directed to BACKDATE absentee ballots with the “phony date of the day” given to her by a supervisor

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQZrjss0b-A

Michigan poll worker says voters who requested mail-in ballots were allowed to vote again in person

80,137 views  •Dec 2, 2020

#Michigan poll worker says voters who requested mail-in ballots were allowed to vote again in person

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6PUyZ2DLQ8
Okay that is definitely proof to overturn the election and give the win to Trump.  
 

Congratulations,  you cracked the case.

ETA: I’m out GG.   I’m done with this discussion. I think you are wrong but I sincerely wish you well.
 

 
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