Democrats seem fairly big on clean air, clean water, equal rights, assisting the disadvantaged, etc. Maybe the soundbites for those issues just aren't as good as soundbites for the issues Republicans focus on?
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fatguyinalittlecoat
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JohnnyU
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roadkill1292
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Encumbrance
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Considering Richard M. Nixon created the EPA and George Herbert Walker Bush signed the bipartisan ADA into law they'd have at least some soundbites here or there.
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Encumbrance
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roadkill1292
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These are like caricature posts. You've almost perfectly encapsulated how the mainstream media portrays the average Trump supporter. It's like a rant against progress and change.
Your "most American" characterization represents the minority of voters these days. I recommend you add "committed to fair representation" to your list of grievances.
fatguyinalittlecoat
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JohnnyU described the issues he thought were important in a very different way than the way he described the issues that he claimed that Dems thought were important. I just asked him if he could see that he had done so.
Encumbrance
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I see. I can't really speak for him. I thought you'd asked a generalized question for Republicans and that I might answer it. Carry on and thank you.
sho nuff
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The difference...I think the country has moved closer to where the Democrats are as far as social programs. Immigration, healthcare, marijuana and so on. So the party may seem to have moved to the extreme...but I think the prevailing opinions have moved there gradually an the party has reacted in kind.
JohnnyU
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I don't think the country has moved closer to where the Democrats are as far as social programs and Immigration (for sure). I also don't think the country wants to pay for the government giving healthcare to all, especially illegal immigrants. I agree with you on marijunana.
sho nuff
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Despite what the right is pushing...democratic candidates have not advocated paying for/giving complete healthcare to “especially illegal immigrants “.
And yes...I do think the country has moved closer to what the candidates have actually said about immigration reform and a oath to citizenship than what trump has been doing to limit legal immigration as well as his stance on illegal immigration.
Lutherman2112
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I remember hanging out with some friends of mine in 2000. Couple of Teamsters, Iron Workers, and Pipe Fitters.
They went with Bush because "Gore was going to take your guns."
I don't hang out with them anymore...I got tired of the n***** jokes.
They went with Bush because "Gore was going to take your guns."
I don't hang out with them anymore...I got tired of the n***** jokes.
JohnnyU
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What exactly has the democrats said about immigration reform? Do they have a plan to curb illegal immigration? Did it even come up in the debates? I didn't watch them, but I bet it didn't.
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sho nuff
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Then why make declarations about where they stand in relation to the voters if you don’t even know? Ill give you a hint...its not open boarders as mentioned in the OP.
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John Blutarsky
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https://khn.org/morning-breakout/all-democratic-candidates-support-health-care-for-undocumented-immigrants-we-do-ourselves-no-favors-when-millions-cant-access-care/
“All Democratic Candidates Support Health Care For Undocumented Immigrants”
John Blutarsky
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https://www.businessinsider.com/obamas-dhs-chief-says-democratic-candidates-embracing-open-borders-2019-7
“Obama's homeland security secretary says 2020 Democrats' immigration proposals are practically 'open borders”
wikkidpissah
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First off, i am not a Democrat, i'm a leftist - just so you'll know. I agree with you on most of your grocery list.
But let's say fixing America is mind-bogglingly expensive. But let's also say that your pocket has already been reached into more than the left wants it to be. Let's say that we want to take what's already been copped from you from the pockets of those who took it and spend that to fix America, what would you say then? Not saying we can, but what if we could? I honestly want to know, party aside, how you would feel about that.
rockaction
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wikkidpissah
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g'ahead. i was going to oppose you on the union part of this thread, but i thought we were boycotting the troll
ETA: and, btw, i STILL want to hear what @JohnnyU has to say more'n you. i got a pretty good idea where you're going...
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rockaction
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I was really just kidding with the emoji. I just wanted to go off about the bank bailouts. If you thought I was going there, you nailed it.
Back to your hypothetical: If you want to take all the corporate welfare and quasi-fascist things we've done in the name of security and freedom both, you'd have to unwind about the past forty or so years of consensus built in Washington D.C. If you can do that, good sir, I wish you all the best and luck in the world. It's much, much bigger than just a transfer. It's an entire large segment of the poplulation's way of life.
But zero-sum game, all things held constant? I'd rather our expenditures be used on need than on profit. That seems like basic human decency. I don't believe that by lining the pockets of certain individuals that you have that great of a mulitplier effect economic yadda yadda yadda to offset.
But what do I know?
wikkidpissah
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Widbil83
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When the Democrats lose in 2020 and the party implodes you can trace it right back to this very moment.
sho nuff
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The one where the right continues to spin what the said and are saying as free healthcare for illegals?
John Blutarsky
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Widbil83
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sho nuff
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Ive seen it...hence my calling it spin by the right that they said free healthcare. You get that the word free wasn’t there, right? You get that their positions have been clarified on their websites and in the case of Mayor Pete when he spoke about it that night, right?
Widbil83
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I believe there is a strong consensus of people who would agree that when somebody is offered something who has no means to pay for it that constitutes free. No need to wrap ourselves into knots here or attempt to polish a turd.
unckeyherb
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Access to Medicare for all, by groups of people that have not paid in anything as they are not here legally, would not be free to them? Explain that.
Juxtatarot
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I know many of you think Gopher State is a Democrat only by shtick and you’re probably right. However, there historically have been a number of white, pro-union, Midwestern moderates who vote for Democrats. However, they don’t seem to be here in the PF. I wish they were. I would like to understand them better.
sho nuff
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sho nuff
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Not all candidates are proposing Medicare for all. Who said people aren't paying in at all?
parasaurolophus
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I saw everybody raise their hand at the first debate. Did something change?
Hell the moderator even made sure Biden raised his hand by calling him out, lol.
Encumbrance
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That's a selling point? That you pay into a public fund redistributed back to you by a bureaucracy?
sho nuff
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Nope...but what you didn’t hear in the question was the word free. And what we have heard and seen from the candidates is clarification of that position
sho nuff
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Encumbrance
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Sure. Wait until you pay a tax for undocumented immigrants/illegal aliens to obtain health care at no cost
sho nuff
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We already do...in our insurance. Do you think the er turns people away?
Also...the at no cost is misleading at best.
John Blutarsky
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Watching Sho and his mental gymnastics 
Gopher State
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No you’re wrong I bleed blue, Democratic all my life. Your an avid Trump supporter right?
Gopher State
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Checked my insurance today no illegal surcharge, just 76,00 a month for single health insurance no surcharge for illegals.sho nuff said:
sho nuff
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Sure...again do you think the ER turns people with no insurance away and illegals? Where do you think the money comes from?
Gopher State
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I think it comes from tax payer dollars, but if you have s link showing it doesn’t I enjoy reading.
sho nuff
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You think people going to the er without insurance now are paid for by tax dollars?
unckeyherb
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The question was whether or not to provide healthcare to illegal immigrants. They all raised their hand. Those people are not paying into anything. Most candidates are proposing some form of Medicare for all. How can you be this obtuse.sho nuff said:
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